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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 16:03:15 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jun 12, 2013 16:10:48 GMT
He,s going then ...
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Post by armitagestokie on Jun 12, 2013 17:17:23 GMT
Butland wont be happy,might be sent on loan again to keep sorro sweet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 17:18:29 GMT
If a big club makes a serious offer for Begovic he'll go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 18:20:45 GMT
You could probably say the same of all our players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 18:59:04 GMT
If a big club makes a serious offer for Begovic he'll go. This. We will soon see how much he wants to stay if the likes of Liverpool come knocking. Don't get me wrong this is better than him coming out and handing in a transfer request,but the realist in me says that it won't mean a great deal if/when a big club comes after him. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 12, 2013 19:05:17 GMT
Butland wont be happy,might be sent on loan again to keep sorro sweet. I think that was the plan anyway, I can't see us trusting such a young keeper. Re him wanting to stay, I'm guessing its because no one is really interested in him at the mo. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 12, 2013 19:34:16 GMT
Butland wont be happy,might be sent on loan again to keep sorro sweet. I think that was the plan anyway, I can't see us trusting such a young keeper. Re him wanting to stay, I'm guessing its because no one is really interested in him at the mo. The word is that he and more importantly his wife are very well settled here, which is good news for us, so cynicism may be misplaced in this case. |
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Post by redwhite on Jun 12, 2013 19:42:25 GMT
Wait so why did we buy Butland?
Surely we will have to continue to send him out on loan until Begovic goes as there's no way he'd play ahead of him and he signed for first team Premier League football.
I thought the Butland purchase was done because we knew Begovic would be off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 21:05:17 GMT
You could probably say the same of all our players. You definitely could. It wasn't a criticism. |
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Post by kiwistokie on Jun 12, 2013 21:11:05 GMT
Butland is an investment, he will earn this club money in a few years time and is a number 2 very soon.
Bego will go but not for 2 seasons as he is excited about the ball being played at the other end of the field more, shows some
trust in the new broom
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 12, 2013 21:13:04 GMT
Wait so why did we buy Butland? Surely we will have to continue to send him out on loan until Begovic goes as there's no way he'd play ahead of him and he signed for first team Premier League football. I thought the Butland purchase was done because we knew Begovic would be off. Butland isn't going to feature for along time imo, even if Bego went I thought we would be getting someone else in as a replacement. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 12, 2013 21:19:53 GMT
Does a payer still get a %age of the transfer fee if he goes without asking for a transfer?? Just asking as it doesn't take rocket science to see why he wants to stay if he can boost his bank balance by a few hundred thousand when he is transferred "against his will".
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jun 12, 2013 21:22:52 GMT
Looks like we're handling this one well. Clearly Bego is an ambitious man and has the ability to match his ambition, and clearly he's been told he can leave for a bigger club if the money is right, but that there is no big rush.
I think it might be in his interests to stay for one more season actually - if he can replicate the form of 12/13 or improve next season then I think people really will sit up and take notice and he can get a move to a club who are real challengers rather than going to say Liverpool this summer, who while they obviously dwarf us and still have pulling power, are more of a historically massive club and really aren't where you'd go if you wanted to win bags of silverware* and thought yourself capable of being in the top 5 keepers in the world in the next 3-5 years. He still has a fair bit to prove before he is at that level though and I reckon he might be advised to be patient and wait for a really big move - which can only be good news for us if he has another stormer next season.
*saying that, Pepe Reina isn't exactly short of medals.
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Post by adamsson on Jun 12, 2013 21:23:56 GMT
You could probably say the same of all our players. You definitely could. It wasn't a criticism. He is the only one of our players who would attract serious interest form a big club |
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Post by gb on Jun 12, 2013 21:34:21 GMT
Theres no chance of Butland replacing Begovic or Sorenson , hes not good enough and never will , he panicks and has slow reactions . Perhaps 1s or 2nd division standard ..
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Post by redwhite on Jun 12, 2013 21:37:06 GMT
Theres no chance of Butland replacing Begovic or Sorenson , hes not good enough and never will , he panicks and has slow reactions . Perhaps 1s or 2nd division standard .. Wouldn't be so sure. He turned down Chelsea because they wouldn't offer him first team football, methinks he was brought in as a future replacement. Why else would we have signed him knowing that he wouldn't have accepted a back up job? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 21:43:46 GMT
You definitely could. It wasn't a criticism. He is the only one of our players who would attract serious interest form a big club Agree with that as well. |
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Post by foster on Jun 13, 2013 7:46:23 GMT
Making out that he wants to stay should 1) Make others more likely to pay more for him - prise him away, and 2) Make other teams offer him more money in wages - to prise him away from a club where he's really happy and settled.
On the other hand, if he stays then it could be seen as a positive in that we are able to retain our better players and are not perceived as a 'selling' club.
Personally however, if we were offered 12m+ I'd sell him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 8:15:04 GMT
Making out that he wants to stay should 1) Make others more likely to pay more for him - prise him away, and 2) Make other teams offer him more money in wages - to prise him away from a club where he's really happy and settled. On the other hand, if he stays then it could be seen as a positive in that we are able to retain our better players and are not perceived as a 'selling' club. Personally however, if we were offered 12m+ I'd sell him. We can retain players shawcross and huth are great re signs With our big squad we havent been a selling team, but we will have to be soon, with some of the fringe players |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 8:28:54 GMT
Making out that he wants to stay should 1) Make others more likely to pay more for him - prise him away, and 2) Make other teams offer him more money in wages - to prise him away from a club where he's really happy and settled. On the other hand, if he stays then it could be seen as a positive in that we are able to retain our better players and are not perceived as a 'selling' club. Personally however, if we were offered 12m+ I'd sell him. We can retain players shawcross and huth are great re signs With our big squad we havent been a selling team, but we will have to be soon, with some of the fringe players we retained those players because no-one seriously came in for them, nothing else;it's not as if they turned down Man Utd. Chelsea, Liverpool etc. because they wanted to stay here. the reason we've never been a selling team is quite simply because no-one else wanted ANY of our players in the past anyway, that's the problem really and one that PC is trying to address,we haven't really brought anyone in (apart from Bego) in the last few seasons that could be sold to other teams because they're, on the whole, just not good enough. |
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Post by salopstick on Jun 13, 2013 8:32:30 GMT
Making out that he wants to stay should 1) Make others more likely to pay more for him - prise him away, and 2) Make other teams offer him more money in wages - to prise him away from a club where he's really happy and settled. On the other hand, if he stays then it could be seen as a positive in that we are able to retain our better players and are not perceived as a 'selling' club. Personally however, if we were offered 12m+ I'd sell him. We can retain players shawcross and huth are great re signs With our big squad we havent been a selling team, but we will have to be soon, with some of the fringe players but unlike 99% of other non top 6 teams we have not sold our best players this distorts our net figure spend bego is not stupid, it is not in his interests to ask for a move and maybe he sees reina staying, de gea improving and with jose back petr cech not moving on his chances of first team football may be limited so he he is happy to stay another year. it would do butland good to do a year as number two in the prem, there is no point him going to palace or hull on loan picking the ball out of the net 3 times a game where a year of integration in the squad, training with two good keepers and playing cup and U21 games would improve him. that depends of course if sorro would accept a number 3 contract |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 14, 2013 6:27:19 GMT
Is there a sell on clause in his transfer from Pompey?
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Post by liathroid on Jun 14, 2013 9:12:25 GMT
Bego will want to stay with us because he knows he will be NO1 and play every week ,not really guaranteed that going to a so called big club,also with Bosnia just about qualified for the World Cup he will want to be playing every week to keep his place
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jun 14, 2013 9:33:54 GMT
We can retain players shawcross and huth are great re signs With our big squad we havent been a selling team, but we will have to be soon, with some of the fringe players we retained those players because no-one seriously came in for them, nothing else;it's not as if they turned down Man Utd. Chelsea, Liverpool etc. because they wanted to stay here. the reason we've never been a selling team is quite simply because no-one else wanted ANY of our players in the past anyway, that's the problem really and one that PC is trying to address,we haven't really brought anyone in (apart from Bego) in the last few seasons that could be sold to other teams because they're, on the whole, just not good enough. There is an element of that, but there's also an argument to say that although some of Stoke's players might be wanted bids don't come in because we aren't in a position where we have to sell, therefore there is better value on the market buyong from teams who aren't in such a strong financial position. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 9:45:36 GMT
we retained those players because no-one seriously came in for them, nothing else;it's not as if they turned down Man Utd. Chelsea, Liverpool etc. because they wanted to stay here. the reason we've never been a selling team is quite simply because no-one else wanted ANY of our players in the past anyway, that's the problem really and one that PC is trying to address,we haven't really brought anyone in (apart from Bego) in the last few seasons that could be sold to other teams because they're, on the whole, just not good enough. There is an element of that, but there's also an argument to say that although some of Stoke's players might be wanted bids don't come in because we aren't in a position where we have to sell, therefore there is better value on the market buyong from teams who aren't in such a strong financial position. i wouldn't say that was true at all to be honest, there are a hell of a lot of clubs out there (especially in the Prem) that don't HAVE to sell but plenty of bids are made and players sold regardless. in fact there are very few teams in our league that do HAVE to sell anyone.the simple fact is that if people wanted any of our players they would bid; if we turned around and said no then fair enough but if they really wanted them they'd at least make a bid. we didn't get Crouch because Spurs HAD to sell him, we didn't get KJ because Sunderland HAD to sell etc. etc. it's a fair argument to make in the lower leagues but not at all when you're talking about Prem players..the cold, hard facts are that the players we had were still mostly ones that: a) were bought when we came up so came in to be players that would help us stay up and simply haven't moved on since then b) players we bought in since then and just aren't up to scrathc (Palacios, Kightly) c) players no-one sees anything of so no-one will bid for (Jerome, Edu, Ness etc.) d) players who are old so no-one in the Prem wants nowadays (Crouch, Upson, Woodgate etc.) the simple reason for us not selling is that the players aren't of any quality when we're done with them other than Championship at best. evn if Crouch and KJ do go to newly promoted teams we're going to end up having to make a loss on both of them..how many other teams make a loss on Prem players when they're not in a position where they HAVE to sell? |
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Post by unknown182 on Jun 14, 2013 10:02:34 GMT
There's an article in the Sentinal every week about Begovic going/staying. I think speculation will drag on throughout the summer no matter what he says
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Post by alster on Jun 14, 2013 10:04:31 GMT
You could probably say the same of all our players. You definitely could. It wasn't a criticism. The exact opposite really, you want players with ambition to go right to the top of the game. At this moment in time doing that with Stoke City is not a realistic option much as we'd all like it to be. Players on their way up is not a problem for the club players on their way down are the millstone around our neck. |
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Post by alster on Jun 14, 2013 10:12:17 GMT
There's an article in the Sentinal every week about Begovic going/staying. I think speculation will drag on throughout the summer no matter what he says He seems an honest lad. He's not going to come out and ask for a transfer but is interested in furthering his career should the opportunity arise at any time in the future. He'll do his talking on the pitch. I'm really pleased with Asmir's development and his conduct. He did amazingly well to come out of his fallout with Pulis unscathed re the Shrewsbury cup game. I found his account of that particular incident more believable than the managers and it was pretty astute, he gave his side of the story without inflaming the situation. Got to say on that occasion he managed Pulis more successfully than most he must have some decent advice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 10:15:24 GMT
You definitely could. It wasn't a criticism. The exact opposite really, you want players with ambition to go right to the top of the game. At this moment in time doing that with Stoke City is not a realistic option much as we'd all like it to be. Players on their way up is not a problem for the club players on their way down are the millstone around our neck. Yeah, we have to accept that for young promising players we are, generally, going to be seen as a stepping stone. |
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