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Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 1, 2013 7:56:02 GMT
West Ham bound - deal agreed according to Ummers fans down here
Not sure if 'done deal' myself, but obvious Big Sam wanted him, but couldn't get him due to the Blackburn court case hangover
Left field move for Nzozni - and then easy for Big Sam to get his boy
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Post by mikeyc on Jun 1, 2013 7:57:31 GMT
sounds like he's just angling for an improved contract
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Post by jeycov on Jun 1, 2013 7:57:46 GMT
I hope he stays if he understands and accepts that (1) he is not bigger than SCFC and (2). his a team player and member of a squad The timing of Mark Hughes appointment gives a bit of breathing space for both Stephen and the management to consider their options. I doubt that Hughes is going to tolerate some of the petulant behaviour from any of the players and of course needs to send out a message that he is the boss. If there is a contractual duty by the club to increase his payments then we should stick by that. - if not, and he wants to leave, we should line up a suitable replacement before releasing him. If his heart isn't here with our club, then we should get him off our wage bill.
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Post by harrysburrow on Jun 1, 2013 8:25:48 GMT
This is what really pisses me off about footballers though. They get these amazing contracts on ridiculous amounts of money for several years, but it all works one way because if they change there minds after a few months then they can always pull the " heart isn't in it " card? If N'Zonzi's gripe is some add on clause involving games played, then how come he was supposedly grassed off as early as Christmas? What kind of deal was that? Wanker.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jun 1, 2013 8:45:17 GMT
N'zonzi?
Good skill but 1 goal, half-season contribution, typical sulky Frenchman, bad egg in team?
Why waste time on this mard-arse. Get him by the ear and throw him through the front doors - once we make sure we get our wedge for the tosser.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 1, 2013 8:48:45 GMT
We're all getting up our own jacksie's a bit over a non story used to pad out a quiet day in the Telegraph. The story actually says fuck all. Yes Nzonzi put a transfer request in but that was under Pulis. There are no direct quotes indicating he still wouldn't be happy at Stoke even under Hughes and Hughes' comments are simply generic comments made about the entire squad. That's not to say Nzonzi isn't a mardy fucker, his performances for the majority of 2013 demonstrate that, but let's see what happens before we leap to conclusions based on a piece of bumf in a shitrag.
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Post by jonnybravo on Jun 1, 2013 8:49:31 GMT
Thing is we don't need him Geoff Cameron is a centre midfielder so is Wilson and palacios will want to play
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 1, 2013 8:50:14 GMT
Silly question from me.
Do we know it's true? Let's wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 8:53:34 GMT
If this does revolve around the contract, then I for one can't really blame him for making an issue of it.
Despite what some have said on this thread, a contract does not have to be in writing. The only requisites of a contract are an offer and acceptance. The only problem with verbal contracts is that they are largely unauditable.
We can only speculate as to what has happened and whether or not the increase based on number of appearances was in his signed, written contract or if it was a verbal addendum at a later point. Either way, if he was offered it, he accepted it and hasn't been paid it, then that's something that the club need to honour and not renege on. This is completely irrespective of how much he earns, it is the entire concept of honouring contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 8:54:28 GMT
Give him a better contract, pay him more, do whatever to make him stay. We will not be able to afford a better defensive midfielder. He's absolutely fantastic and we need to keep him. Can't believe some people actually don't see his ability. He is miles better than pretty much all of our squad. Miles better. I can understand people questioning his attitude, but not his ability. But when his attitude hampers his ability....and he goes missing in matches leaving MASSIVE gaps in midfield.....
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 1, 2013 9:04:40 GMT
I can understand people questioning his attitude, but not his ability. But when his attitude hampers his ability....and he goes missing in matches leaving MASSIVE gaps in midfield..... You mean a bit like our Ric.......?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:09:13 GMT
Maybe a bit ... yeah.
n'Zonzi has a long way to go before he has the credit in the bank that Ric had.
What is the point are you making through? Rik wanted to stay, we wouldn't give him the extra year. N'zonzi wants to go with 2/3 years left on his contract?
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Post by RAF on Jun 1, 2013 9:10:09 GMT
Thing is we don't need him Geoff Cameron is a centre midfielder so is Wilson and palacios will want to play Geoff Cameron isn't good enough and Palacios is finished. H
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 1, 2013 9:17:53 GMT
Interesting story and thread. If Nzonzi WAS promised something and we've welshed on the deal he has every right to be pissed off.
POOB is right - contrary to what a few have said on here, a verbal agreement is legally binding. It may be difficult to prove the terms and conditions in a court of law without writing them down, but if Stoke are using that as a pretext to avoid honouring the agreement, then that reflects badly on us as a club and may make it harder to attract players in the future.
Note the "ifs" - none of us know the truth of it.
As for Nzonzi's ability - a matter of opinion perhaps, but I'm genuinely puzzled how so many can't see how good he is. Sulky, shitty attitude no argument, but when he's on his game he always has so much time on the ball. As for always passing backwards and sideways - I see him looking for a pass forward, waiting for some movement, which of course in a Pulis team just doesn't happen, then resorting to the only pass available. Arrogant sod that he is, but I can understand his frustration.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:18:29 GMT
No doubt Big Sam tapping him up and NZonzi comes out with any old crap to make a move happen. Cameron is indeed good enough to play centre midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:20:07 GMT
If this does revolve around the contract, then I for one can't really blame him for making an issue of it. Despite what some have said on this thread, a contract does not have to be in writing. The only requisites of a contract are an offer and acceptance. The only problem with verbal contracts is that they are largely unauditable. We can only speculate as to what has happened and whether or not the increase based on number of appearances was in his signed, written contract or if it was a verbal addendum at a later point. Either way, if he was offered it, he accepted it and hasn't been paid it, then that's something that the club need to honour and not renege on. This is completely irrespective of how much he earns, it is the entire concept of honouring contracts. You are right of course about contract not needing to be in writing....however....when agents and £millions are involved. Why wouldn't you put it in writing? OK ....here is is £40k a week...documented OK....here is your signing on fee.....documented OK...here is the agent fee.....documented OK....here is the term of the contract....documented OK .... here is the loyalty bonus/testimonial/...other documented... right .... your legal team check this....you check this......your agent check this....our legal team will check this, our directors will check this..... while this is all happening........shhhhhhh......right.......shhhhhhh......we wont put this bit in.....shhhhh......but if you want, we will shake, a gentleman's agreement if you will.....that you can have something a bit extra.....OK? .....yeah.....thats fine, fork it. What could go wrong? Its is just not plausible to even think that, something so important that would trigger N'Zonzi to leave, was done on a verbal contract. Just why would you? Why? If this has happened...then the silly french twat is clearly thicker than a whale omelette and needs to fire his agent and legal team who have clearly let him down.
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 1, 2013 9:20:25 GMT
Maybe a bit ... yeah. n'Zonzi has a long way to go before he has the credit in the bank that Ric had. What is the point are you making through? Rik wanted to stay, we wouldn't give him the extra year. N'zonzi wants to go with 2/3 years left on his contract? Get what you say about credit bank. I guess I was just pointing out that Nzonzi isn't the first player we've had whose attitude lets down his ability, but from day 1 Ric was always forgiven whereas Nzonzi isn't.
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Post by werrington on Jun 1, 2013 9:21:02 GMT
I have never really got the Nzonzi love in on here tbh
But i could never decide whether it was the archaic system he was asked to play in or he was genuinely just average 90% of the time so i cut him loads of slack
If he has got a tip off that a major club has tapped him up ( Arsenal rumoured ) then he needs to come out and tell us why and maybe nobody could blame him but if its for more money and he moves to a Norwich or WHU then he deserves both barrells
Attitude and modern day footballers eh.....wankers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:25:28 GMT
Maybe a bit ... yeah. n'Zonzi has a long way to go before he has the credit in the bank that Ric had. What is the point are you making through? Rik wanted to stay, we wouldn't give him the extra year. N'zonzi wants to go with 2/3 years left on his contract? Get what you say about credit bank. I guess I was just pointing out that Nzonzi isn't the first player we've had whose attitude lets down his ability, but from day 1 Ric was always forgiven whereas Nzonzi isn't. Yep -- difference was on day 1 we were a championship club with shite up front. Not much we could have done but put up with it!! Cresswell was hardly Maradonna. I dare say if we had signed ric today, he would have been dropped and bowled out the club due to having £££££ to spend and the ability to attract better....and of course we now have SJW I mean....SJW. Yes.....SJW. What chance would he have had??
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 1, 2013 9:27:14 GMT
If he doesn't want to stay just get rid, but for decent money of course! £7-8M at least I would think?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:30:13 GMT
Thing is we don't need him Geoff Cameron is a centre midfielder so is Wilson and palacios will want to play Geoff Cameron isn't good enough and Palacios is finished. H Noooo.....!!!!!!....... Dont say that!!! Dont say those nasty things!!!! Take it back!!! yyyoouuuuuuuuuu bastard!!
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Post by redwhite on Jun 1, 2013 9:32:40 GMT
N'zonzi? Good skill but 1 goal, half-season contribution, typical sulky Frenchman, bad egg in team? Why waste time on this mard-arse. Get him by the ear and throw him through the front doors - once we make sure we get our wedge for the tosser. Come on. It was pretty clear to see that he was by far the best outfield player last season. Goals aren't everything and in a Pulis team especially he hardly got the chance to get anywhere near the goal and every shot I can remember him having looked very promising. He did a fantastic job defensively and was the best player at keeping hold of the ball by a distance. Even when his form dropped he was still often better than everyone else as the form of the whole team was low. We would not be wasting time or money trying to get this player to stay. A lot of footballers are cocks and in general the better ones are more susceptible to wanting more money. I guarantee we will not be able to afford a defensive midfielder that is anywhere near as good as N'zonzi so we should be doing everything we can to keep him.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 1, 2013 9:33:45 GMT
I can understand people questioning his attitude, but not his ability. But when his attitude hampers his ability....and he goes missing in matches leaving MASSIVE gaps in midfield..... I like the lad's ability, and that might cloud my judgement a bit. If he wants out and won't be swayed, though, we will have to move on. I think Cameron will be fine in midfield. A few players will flourish when finally played in their correct positions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:41:00 GMT
But when his attitude hampers his ability....and he goes missing in matches leaving MASSIVE gaps in midfield..... I like the lad's ability, and that might cloud my judgement a bit. If he wants out and won't be swayed, though, we will have to move on. I think Cameron will be fine in midfield. A few players will flourish when finally played in their correct positions. You know what....thats what I am looking forward to the most this season. Players maybe getting a shot to play in their correct positions. I think that will be really interesting. To see if your Wilsons, Camerons, Walters, Shottons etc.... can actually do the job we think they can.....or maybe if Puils was right and actually was playing them where they were most effective. I really hope that Hughes gives some of these guys a good pre-season to bed in and a good run till Christmas. I reckon we may have new players without signing anyone, and this is the right time to bank money for N'Zonzi (if he does not even want a shot at playing in a new team with a fresh outlook) and put in a new player with the right attitude. Its quite nice to look at the squad with fresh eyes and a bit of positive anticipation.
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Post by pavel on Jun 1, 2013 9:44:39 GMT
Cameron is a defender, that is where he has played most of his career, that's where he plays for the US, lets start playing people in the right positions, we might then just see some progress
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:47:35 GMT
Maybe a bit ... yeah. n'Zonzi has a long way to go before he has the credit in the bank that Ric had. What is the point are you making through? Rik wanted to stay, we wouldn't give him the extra year. N'zonzi wants to go with 2/3 years left on his contract? Get what you say about credit bank. I guess I was just pointing out that Nzonzi isn't the first player we've had whose attitude lets down his ability, but from day 1 Ric was always forgiven whereas Nzonzi isn't. The team relied on Ric and his actual off days were actually quite rare. His main problem was his temper, which he stupidly let get the better of him. Nzonzi is a toxic, mercenary prick and needs fucking off pronto.
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2013 9:48:46 GMT
Like it or not , Nzonzi is a very good footballer. His attitude is more than questionable, he's petulant and he has no idea what loyalty is. But he's the best midfielder we have by a long way and if I was a new manager I would be desperate to keep him. If he wanted out because there were big clubs after him I could understand but Norwich and West ham? Something just doesn't seem right. I do wonder if there is more to this story and he was indeed promised a better contract. Either way, if he goes, he will be a big loss make no mistake. Whilst we don't want players with a shit attitude like Pennant, Nzonzi doesn't seemingly have any off the field issues. He will be hard to replace for the money. We aren't exactly blessed in the centre midfield department. this
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 1, 2013 9:57:03 GMT
Get what you say about credit bank. I guess I was just pointing out that Nzonzi isn't the first player we've had whose attitude lets down his ability, but from day 1 Ric was always forgiven whereas Nzonzi isn't. The team relied on Ric and his actual off days were actually quite rare. His main problem was his temper, which he stupidly let get the better of him. Nzonzi is a toxic, mercenary prick and needs fucking off pronto. The trouble is, Rob, with the money in the game now, more and more players are like this. Money has fucked up this game; same old teams at the top, wankers like Citeh and Chelski buying the league etc. As I said earlier, though, if he wants to go let him. We'll have Diame instead!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2013 9:59:55 GMT
A new contract, a new fucking contract? The cunt only signed last summer!?!?!
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Post by vahl on Jun 1, 2013 10:07:06 GMT
A new contract, a new fucking contract? The cunt only signed last summer!?!?! I think he's under the impression that Tony Pulis put an agreement in place to improve the terms if he had become a first-team regular and/or won any club awards. I guess from that point of view, he's only asking for what he was promised- he did deliver. I just hope he's not trying to force us into giving him stupid money. He could be a special player for us over many years but the day we start giving away silly contracts is the day we're all screwed. Pulis may of been a scrooge with his contract & transfer negotiations but he kept a very tight lid on our wage structure which is highly commended in the age of greedy mercenaries.
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