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Post by harrysburrow on May 29, 2013 12:12:48 GMT
I don't specifically know why, but that squad on paper looks a bit crap?
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Post by harrysburrow on May 29, 2013 12:12:59 GMT
I don't specifically know why, but that squad on paper looks a bit crap?
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Post by harrysburrow on May 29, 2013 12:13:24 GMT
So crap I said it twice!
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 29, 2013 12:15:59 GMT
The matchday squad is clearly in vital need of rebuilding, I didnt realise the scale of it until the list in the OP was put up. Fuckin 'ell Pulis!. Pity Mr Cartwright put a block on any significant January acquisitions.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2013 12:16:24 GMT
If Bego stays and Butland is loaned out I think we'll only need one. Bachmann and Eve between them are good for third choice, how many times has Nash played in the past three years? We don't need someone like him there. And if one of Bego or the new gets injured Butland can be recalled because he won't need to be named in the squad. And if Bego goes, I think Tommy will stay. I think Tommy is off mate I don't think he's ready for a final year with splinters in his arse. They could go with the young keepers. Bit of a risk though. I aren't sure, obviously we have no way of knowing of what Hughes will do but I'd go with Tommy and then bring Butland in over time via the cups and if Tommy has some 'mares. I think there's scope there.
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Post by longlivelongball on May 29, 2013 12:16:39 GMT
I don't specifically know why, but that squad on paper looks a bit crap? looks a bit crap on grass also!
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 29, 2013 12:21:41 GMT
The matchday squad is clearly in vital need of rebuilding, I didnt realise the scale of it until the list in the OP was put up. Fuckin 'ell Pulis!. Pity Mr Cartwright put a block on any significant January acquisitions. He did? I wasnt aware of that but surely the limitations of that squad stretches back further than January so would be unfair to point the finger at Cartwright?.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 12:29:38 GMT
I don't specifically know why, but that squad on paper looks a bit crap? looks a bit crap on grass also!
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 29, 2013 12:39:48 GMT
Pity Mr Cartwright put a block on any significant January acquisitions. He did? I wasnt aware of that but surely the limitations of that squad stretches back further than January so would be unfair to point the finger at Cartwright?. The move to the new set up, consequent conflict and where we are now, can certainly be traced back to that window and it is well documented that things went wrong in the final few days. It's also worth noting that there were plenty of people advocating not giving Pulis a penny piece to add to the squad and are the ones moaning now! The extent of the surgery totally depends on who stays and goes. If Hughes can work out a way of using Adam and Crouch (Jones will be sold) and N'zonzi stays then less work will be needed. If a player can be coaxed out of the limp remains of Kightly then all the better. Absolutely essential for me are a left back, a wide man, central midfielder, two front men, a back up centre half and a goalkeepeer.
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 29, 2013 12:43:52 GMT
He did? I wasnt aware of that but surely the limitations of that squad stretches back further than January so would be unfair to point the finger at Cartwright?. The move to the new set up, consequent conflict and where we are now, can certainly be traced back to that window and it is well documented that things went wrong in the final few days. It's also worth noting that there were plenty of people advocating not giving Pulis a penny piece to add to the squad and are the ones moaning now! The extent of the surgery totally depends on who stays and goes. If Hughes can work out a way of using Adam and Crouch (Jones will be sold) and N'zonzi stays then less work will be needed. If a player can be coaxed out of the limp remains of Kightly then all the better. Absolutely essential for me are a left back, a wide man, central midfielder, two front men, a back up centre half and a goalkeepeer. Fair point Sheikh. Seems like there is a lot of work to be done. It will be interesting too see just who Hughes/Cartwright goes for in the window and whether we change our awful "leave it until the last minute" transfer strategy.
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Post by RAF on May 29, 2013 12:45:42 GMT
The matchday squad is clearly in vital need of rebuilding, I didnt realise the scale of it until the list in the OP was put up. Fuckin 'ell Pulis!. Pity Mr Cartwright put a block on any significant January acquisitions. Stop making shit up you handbag swinging fairy. You know fuck all about who made what decision and when. Perhaps Coates blocked any spending as he didnt want another Palacios on his hands? Which is more likely ghan your arse wash. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 29, 2013 12:47:01 GMT
The move to the new set up, consequent conflict and where we are now, can certainly be traced back to that window and it is well documented that things went wrong in the final few days. It's also worth noting that there were plenty of people advocating not giving Pulis a penny piece to add to the squad and are the ones moaning now! The extent of the surgery totally depends on who stays and goes. If Hughes can work out a way of using Adam and Crouch (Jones will be sold) and N'zonzi stays then less work will be needed. If a player can be coaxed out of the limp remains of Kightly then all the better. Absolutely essential for me are a left back, a wide man, central midfielder, two front men, a back up centre half and a goalkeepeer. Fair point Sheikh. Seems like there is a lot of work to be done. It will be interesting too see just who Hughes/Cartwright goes for in the window and whether we change our awful "leave it until the last minute" transfer strategy. Certainly seems like we wont be throwing money at it like previous years Dan so more planning is absolutely essential. I hope this Cartwright fella is up to the seemingly enormous responsibility he's been given.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 29, 2013 12:47:57 GMT
Pity Mr Cartwright put a block on any significant January acquisitions. Stop making shit up you handbag swinging fairy. You know fuck all about who made what decision and when. Perhaps Coates blocked any spending as he didnt want another Palacios on his hands? Which is more likely ghan your arse wash. H I know things so fuck off you Cartwright rimming ball sack
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Post by RAF on May 29, 2013 12:52:32 GMT
Stop making shit up you handbag swinging fairy. You know fuck all about who made what decision and when. Perhaps Coates blocked any spending as he didnt want another Palacios on his hands? Which is more likely ghan your arse wash. H I know things so fuck off you Cartwright rimming ball sack H
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Post by Bick on May 29, 2013 12:53:34 GMT
Can anybody give an indication of U21 squad ability? It's not something I know a lot about.
Who are real prospects, and who are there to make up numbers?
I hear Ben Glasgow is a good prospect, and can't be bad coming from Arsenal.
Lucas Dawson also seems like a good player. But any other indications?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2013 12:57:03 GMT
Can anybody give an indication of U21 squad ability? It's not something I know a lot about. Who are real prospects, and who are there to make up numbers? I hear Ben Glasgow is a good prospect, and can't be bad coming from Arsenal. Lucas Dawson also seems like a good player. But any other indications? I've only watched them 3/4 times this season but Glasgow was terrible every time. Dawson, Alabi, Scott, O'Reilly, Eve and Ward are the ones I like the look of.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 29, 2013 12:58:44 GMT
Yeah - that little Charlie Ward caught my eye in those Liverpool games.
Came from Villa, didn't he? And played for a few England age-group teams.
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Post by Bick on May 29, 2013 13:01:43 GMT
Anywhere near premiership standard?
Is Cuvelier ready to step up, or is it a case of hype around these parts?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2013 13:02:13 GMT
Yeah - that little Charlie Ward caught my eye in those Liverpool games. Came from Villa, didn't he? And played for a few England age-group teams. Yeah he has, he's a good little technical player who seemed to put himself about too which I liked. Anywhere near premiership standard? Is Cuvelier ready to step up, or is it a case of hype around these parts? Not yet I wouldn't have thought but not many 18 year olds are. Hype and talent, he's a good footballer there's no doubt about that. It's time to throw him in at the deep end imo.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 29, 2013 13:25:09 GMT
It's not far off being right though Sheikh. We're at a crossroads as far as our squad is concerned and it was more of a risk to keep Pulis and allow him to continue in the manner he was with tactics and selection.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 29, 2013 13:27:46 GMT
Surprisingly, Flo's 21 in September, Bayern.
If he's the real deal could be time to get him regularly into matchday squads?
Or maybe one more year on loan - if anyone in the Championship will take him. Odd how Peterborough didn't really use him in the last couple of months of the season.
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Post by hiscoxy on May 29, 2013 13:29:13 GMT
If there's not much money to go round we may end up seeing the new manager playing similar players out of position.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2013 13:31:59 GMT
Surprisingly, Flo's 21 in September, Bayern. If he's the real deal could be time to get him regularly into matchday squads? Or maybe one more year on loan - if anyone in the Championship will take him. Odd how Peterborough didn't really use him in the last couple of months of the season. Yup that's why I think now is make or break for him as a potential Premier League player for us. Will he have to be named in the squad of 25? I think it's time to chuck him in this season. Maybe after a loan to a Championship side for a few months. Re Peterborough I guess they didn't want to chuck and unknown quantity into a relegation battle which is fair enough.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 29, 2013 13:34:21 GMT
The matchday squad is clearly in vital need of rebuilding, I didnt realise the scale of it until the list in the OP was put up. Fuckin 'ell Pulis!. Pity Mr Cartwright put a block on any significant January acquisitions. Bless.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 29, 2013 13:48:01 GMT
This may be somewhat misguided on my behalf, but one thing I am hoping that Mark Hughes could do is install a bit of aggression in KJ or at least get him "punching his weight".
As a player, using his strength was a superb strength of Mark Hughes and in the same way that Lou Macari had a knack of getting something extra out of strikers, I am hoping that Hughes, with some individual coaching and attention, could bring the very best out of KJ.
As I say, maybe misguided and maybe KJ just doesn't have it in him but that would be a hope of mine were Mark Hughes to arrive.
Outside of that, Hughes or anyone else that arrives as our manager, has a lot of work to do to correct the weaknesses in the squad that have been caused by Pulis' somewhat misguided transfer policy of the last 2 seasons.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 29, 2013 13:51:42 GMT
I reckon Hughes is more likely to keep Crouch and get rid of Jones for all of the reasons you allude to here: 'maybe KJ just doesn't have it in him.' As a striker himself Mark Hughes was excellent and one thing he was above all else was hard-working. I think he knows enough about Kenwyne to realise that he's not worth persevering with.
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Post by cartman123 on May 29, 2013 13:51:58 GMT
People slate Pulis, but which of the kids has gone on to become something big? None of them have they. The current young'un's we have are simply not good enough.
Do you want to see these kids get played despite not being good enough and relegating us in the process?
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Post by jezzascfc on May 29, 2013 14:01:44 GMT
When you look at the squad laid bare (right word!) like that, we have a lot of work to do this summer. First priority is to sort out Bego's future - if Hughes is not being given 20m to spend, then the 12-15m we could get from Bego's sale is going to be crucial in enabling him to remodel the squad. Full backs (at the very least on the left), two wide men, at least one, but preferably two, strikers, central midfield cover (or first choice if NZonzi goes - did Hughes sign him for Blackburn and maybe could persuade him to stay?), a young central defensive understudy and maybe a back-up keeper would be my starting point. He has a tough job as Pulis left a squad with many question marks over it - at least we have a couple of players who can be sold for good money, a few stalwarts we can rely on for a few years to come and a few high earners out of contract this summer. I reckon at least 5 new first team starters need to be brought in though if we are to really lay the Pulisball ghost to rest.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 29, 2013 14:16:28 GMT
Can anybody give an indication of U21 squad ability? It's not something I know a lot about. Who are real prospects, and who are there to make up numbers? I hear Ben Glasgow is a good prospect, and can't be bad coming from Arsenal. Lucas Dawson also seems like a good player. But any other indications? I've only watched them 3/4 times this season but Glasgow was terrible every time. Dawson, Alabi, Scott, O'Reilly, Eve and Ward are the ones I like the look of. I thought the same Bayern. He struck me as a player who was very easy to knock off the ball which for a defender is a quality you dont want. I did like the look of Rossi when I saw him play.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2013 14:20:32 GMT
I've only watched them 3/4 times this season but Glasgow was terrible every time. Dawson, Alabi, Scott, O'Reilly, Eve and Ward are the ones I like the look of. I thought the same Bayern. He struck me as a player who was very easy to knock off the ball which for a defender is a quality you dont want. I did like the look of Rossi when I saw him play. He spends most his time down the wing too when I saw him with little or no care about defending. Rossi is a strange one, he's barely played this season even when he's been fit, I haven't got the foggiest what's going on there.
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