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Post by prem4stoke on May 4, 2013 8:14:09 GMT
Reputation is quite poor to be honest over here in the states. Put it this way, most footy fans here in the states consider Stoke the toughest side to watch in the EPL and MLS fans often make jokes about Stoke. When an MLS side is just playing ugly, route one, hoof style footy, the comparisons to Stoke come out. There's even a coach, Kinnear in Houston, who plays a very ugly defensive minded game, relying on set pieces for goals and just terrible overall movement, and he's considered the Pulis of MLS. If you were to say American fans are uneducated, remember there's more EPL on tv here than in England. It's the most watched footy league. Next year every EPL game will be shown live, every week. American fans are very familiar with Stoke and think Stoke is absolutely dreadful to watch. Klinnsman didn't want Shea to come here because of how dreadful the style is. Klinnsman didn't want Edu here either, who's doing very, very well in Turkey by the way and has even worn the captains band. And Bursa would beat this current Stoke side. Edu is a key player on a better side yet Pulis had zero use for him. So take that for what it's worth. On the other side of the pond here in the states, fans hate Stoke due to the style and the manager. Don't even consider it real footy, and a lot of that comes from the complete lack of tactics/movement which is a direct product of Pulis. The movement/tactics are terrible. Has nothing to do with talent or the players. The movement/tactics for many sides in the Championship are superior. Even in MLS they are. It takes no skill to make good runs, support the attack in numbers, attack space, overlap, etc. And, it's ridiculous in my opinion how many fans here dismiss this as soon as Stoke gets a point from a game. It'll be relegation battles frequently until it changes. Extremely shortsided to dismiss the tactics/movement/low IQ on display week after week after week just because you get a result every now and then. It'd be like your kid never, ever studying for exams and somehow do just well enough to pass his classes, and you're ok with it because he passed, while ignoring it's terrible for his future and he'll constantly be in the state of barely passing exams. I'll also say, good managers don't talk about luck. For Puls it might as well be his middle name. Good sides create their own luck, poor sides with shit managers complain about not being lucky enough. I'll add something and hope it doesn't offend anyone. MLS sides play a number of friendlies against Euro sides every July. Man U, Man City, Madrid, Liverpool, Roma, Milan, Everton, Juventus, etc, and those games are usually packed. When Stoke comes this summer and plays in Hou and Dallas, it might be full but that'll be due to fans wanting to see Cameron and Shea again, has nothing to do with Stoke itself. If Stoke didn't have Cameron or Shea, there's a big chance those games might not draw even 5K, whereas many of the friendlies without former MLS players to attract fans often get anywhere from 30K-60K, even more. You do realize Americans will pick the big club teams. Would they come flocking to watch Swansea?
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Post by elystokie on May 4, 2013 8:18:10 GMT
Reputation is quite poor to be honest over here in the states. Put it this way, most footy fans here in the states consider Stoke the toughest side to watch in the EPL and MLS fans often make jokes about Stoke. When an MLS side is just playing ugly, route one, hoof style footy, the comparisons to Stoke come out. There's even a coach, Kinnear in Houston, who plays a very ugly defensive minded game, relying on set pieces for goals and just terrible overall movement, and he's considered the Pulis of MLS. If you were to say American fans are uneducated, remember there's more EPL on tv here than in England. It's the most watched footy league. Next year every EPL game will be shown live, every week. American fans are very familiar with Stoke and think Stoke is absolutely dreadful to watch. Klinnsman didn't want Shea to come here because of how dreadful the style is. Klinnsman didn't want Edu here either, who's doing very, very well in Turkey by the way and has even worn the captains band. And Bursa would beat this current Stoke side. Edu is a key player on a better side yet Pulis had zero use for him. So take that for what it's worth. On the other side of the pond here in the states, fans hate Stoke due to the style and the manager. Don't even consider it real footy, and a lot of that comes from the complete lack of tactics/movement which is a direct product of Pulis. The movement/tactics are terrible. Has nothing to do with talent or the players. The movement/tactics for many sides in the Championship are superior. Even in MLS they are. It takes no skill to make good runs, support the attack in numbers, attack space, overlap, etc. And, it's ridiculous in my opinion how many fans here dismiss this as soon as Stoke gets a point from a game. It'll be relegation battles frequently until it changes. Extremely shortsided to dismiss the tactics/movement/low IQ on display week after week after week just because you get a result every now and then. It'd be like your kid never, ever studying for exams and somehow do just well enough to pass his classes, and you're ok with it because he passed, while ignoring it's terrible for his future and he'll constantly be in the state of barely passing exams. I'll also say, good managers don't talk about luck. For Puls it might as well be his middle name. Good sides create their own luck, poor sides with shit managers complain about not being lucky enough. I'll add something and hope it doesn't offend anyone. MLS sides play a number of friendlies against Euro sides every July. Man U, Man City, Madrid, Liverpool, Roma, Milan, Everton, Juventus, etc, and those games are usually packed. When Stoke comes this summer and plays in Hou and Dallas, it might be full but that'll be due to fans wanting to see Cameron and Shea again, has nothing to do with Stoke itself. If Stoke didn't have Cameron or Shea, there's a big chance those games might not draw even 5K, whereas many of the friendlies without former MLS players to attract fans often get anywhere from 30K-60K, even more. You do realize Americans will pick the big club teams. Would they come flocking to watch Swansea? Would they rather watch Swansea than Stoke d'you think? Answer honestly now. How much have Swansea spent in comparison to us? Any pennies dropping yet?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 9:01:47 GMT
He isn't saying we are the worse football team in England though is he you daft fucker? Oh and no need to call me names you should be banned for calling me that really when did I abuse you? Ok I'll apologise,didn't realise you were so sensitive! You are just like the rest of the dwindling Pulis fanbase,in the way that you skirt around answering questions because you know you haven't got a decent answer for them,so then you go on to make things up that people aren't even saying to get your point across. No matter how much respect you have for our manager,and believe it or not I used to have a load of it(its dwindling rapidly with every game and interview I watch) I just cannot understand why you have to lie to defend him. We are truly awful to watch 95% of the time,I accept that for some fans just being in the premier league is enough no matter what the fayre is like on a Saturday,but what we are watching at the moment isn't football as we know it and it certainly isn't enjoyable for the most part. Are you that brainwashed into the Pulis mindset that you seriously enjoy watching an expensively assembled football team just scrap it out every week with players out of position all over the pitch,players that struggle to keep hold of the ball for more than 3 passes,players that don't pass and move and attack teams with pace,players that employ one tactic and one tactic only,to smack the ball up to a big isolated striker and hope something drops off him,players that even though they aren't really that good at throwing a ball,just launching it hopefully into a penalty area,good footballers not getting played when others who are fit for a league below run around like headless chickens? Like I said it just isn't football as we know it and make no mistake we are the most one dimensional,negative and boring side to watch in the country. Our stats over the last couple of seasons kind of back it up.
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Post by wozzerthepotter on May 4, 2013 9:07:26 GMT
I think it's incredibly naive to suggest playing style of a club and doesn't affect a players decision, it may not be the most important factor, but to completely discard it is ridiculous IMO. Whatever you wanna think about it, we're not really helping ourselves by the brand of football we play are we?
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Post by lagwafis on May 4, 2013 9:44:46 GMT
an expensively assembled football team just scrap it out every week with players out of position all over the pitch,players that struggle to keep hold of the ball for more than 3 passes,players that don't pass and move and attack teams with pace,players that employ one tactic and one tactic only,to smack the ball up to a big isolated striker and hope something drops off him,players that even though they aren't really that good at throwing a ball,just launching it hopefully into a penalty area,good footballers not getting played when others who are fit for a league below run around like headless chickens? Like I said it just isn't football as we know it and make no mistake we are the most one dimensional,negative and boring side to watch in the country. Our stats over the last couple of seasons kind of back it up. Sums it up for me. I was right behind him in his first five years back. He worked the transfer market well to win promotion, funding it just as much as Coates did with £5 million worth of player sales. The first couple of years up we saw our share of entertaining games, albeit mainly at home. We had 3-2 wins and so on against Villa, Fulham, Birmingham and Sunderland. We also had the belief in ourselves that led to big scalps over Arsenal, Man City and Spurs on more than one occasion. Even scrappy 1-0's in the first season had the crowd pumped up (Blackburn, Middlesborough). I'll defend him for all of that. Post 2011 though it's been dire. Even the first half of this season when we were difficult to beat we lacked the shape and hope that we might score from a set piece, pull off some exciting wing play, even manage a shot target. Some have never liked Pulis from day one, I'm falling in the camp of those who had his back in the past but have been worn down by 18 months of going backwards, poor signings, bizarre team selections and nonsensical media interviews.
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Post by mermaidsal on May 4, 2013 12:48:46 GMT
Was browsing through houston dynamo's facebook page to see what some of their fans thought about the proposed game. It was clear to see that they were not too impressed at all with their appointed opponents. They would 'rather play a championship team. Reading are better'. We are 'by far the worst team in the bpl.' we are 'the soccer anti christs' and amazingly we now have an 'arrogant fanbase' too. This reputation is going to take some time to shake off isnt it. The media stories are taken in worldwide, so much so that people even make things up about our support and even our league standing. So we were expecting anything else?? Tone has fanned the flames for too long, much as I admire the grit why would anyone say we weren't the football antichrists? As for the arrogant fanbase, it's true Stokies come across badly, can't get away from that, our small town combo of overconfidence and ignorance is a throwback and of course we're going to be a laughing stock in that sense, it's just Stoke-on-Trent Disease and I've never seen it change in my lifetime - but if you start linking that to some decent football and a team prepared to have a go there's no reason anyone anywhere should call Stoke fans arrogant just because the city has a bit of a personality disorder, I mean look at Mancs,,,
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Post by NassauDave on May 4, 2013 13:00:11 GMT
Was browsing through houston dynamo's facebook page to see what some of their fans thought about the proposed game. It was clear to see that they were not too impressed at all with their appointed opponents. They would 'rather play a championship team. Reading are better'. We are 'by far the worst team in the bpl.' we are 'the soccer anti christs' and amazingly we now have an 'arrogant fanbase' too. This reputation is going to take some time to shake off isnt it. The media stories are taken in worldwide, so much so that people even make things up about our support and even our league standing. It's no surprise to me. TP just doesn't get the damage that he has inflicted on our club.
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Post by mattemoo69 on May 4, 2013 13:14:59 GMT
Our reputation is no better or worse than any lower table EPL team. Wonder what their opinion of wolves is? Oh hang on I couldn't give a rats ass about that....
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 13:28:49 GMT
Our reputation is no better or worse than any lower table EPL team. Wonder what their opinion of wolves is? Oh hang on I couldn't give a rats ass about that.... Wolves aren't in the "EPL," and I'm not sure why any of us should care what people think of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 13:39:16 GMT
The title of this thread really depresses me... "how bad our reputation is..." What ever happened to the "no-one likes us and we don't care" mentality from the first season to the FA cup final season? IMO the biggest problem that the club has at the moment is some of our 'loyal' fan base moaning and groaning at every turn and NOT the club itself. Every club has a duff season or two once in a while, and the tide will turn once we are established proper (I said on a previous thread that I still do not consider ourselves established yet even after 5 years. It will take 10 at least IMO) This board used to be a good read once upon a time, now its just a slanging match. Pulis said something in his 'broken record' post match interview last week that really hit a chord with me. He said " you have good times and bad times, but the most important thing of all is that we all stick together as a group" Pulis out? No. Fair weather supporters out more like. Before I get Bricks thrown at me I realise that its not everyone on here that's turning this board in to celebrity death match, and I also understand that we all have our own opinions, but I think we as fans also have a significant part to play when it comes to the worldwide reputation of our beloved club. spot on mate. The reputation we used to have was the best supporters in the league, now look at us, according to some supporters on here our football club is now nothing more than an entertainment brand to be marketed to Americans. I'm starting to hate Pulis for not getting us relegation this season, at least in the championship no one else would give a fuck about us so we wouldn't have to worry about any reputations and get back to what football used to be about
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Post by ohbottom on May 4, 2013 13:40:08 GMT
[quote author=" mattemoo69" source="/post/3849463/thread" timestamp="1367673299" ]Our reputation is no better or worse than any lower table EPL team. Wonder what their opinion of wolves is? Oh hang on I couldn't give a rats ass about that.... [/quote] That is demonstrably false. Our reputation, in terms of our -ahem- "style" is far worse than any other PL team. Ask almost anybody from almost anywhere in the world who watches PL footie which is the worst team to watch, it'll be Stoke. PS Fook off with that "EPL" bollocks!
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Post by borat on May 4, 2013 14:19:45 GMT
We deserve our bad reputation, almost everything we see in the press is pretty much bang on, obviously some exaggerate but Pulis and him only has given us this reputation because of his horrible, ugly, anti-football he "believes in" PULIS OUT.
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Post by gibby1409 on May 4, 2013 14:32:36 GMT
Is it a sign that we as fans are changing? When we first came up, we didn't give a flying fook what people thought?
Personally, I still don't, and especially what people in the US think, they don't really get the "Soccer/Football" thing anyway
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Post by wuzza on May 4, 2013 14:36:21 GMT
When people have finished whimpering about how a few Americans (and frankly who gives a damn) might judge our 'reputation' has it occured that prior to TP and Mr Coates turning this club around we had no 'reputation' whatsoever .....'Stoke who y'alllll ????'
(thank god you did that damage Tone)
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Post by ukcstokie on May 4, 2013 14:57:19 GMT
IMO the biggest problem that the club has at the moment is some of our 'loyal' fan base moaning and groaning at every turn and NOT the club itself. So the 'biggest problem' is the fans? Really? Not our dire away record? Not our appauling goal scoring record? Not that there are numerous games each season where we just capitulate and DON'T EVEN TRY TO WIN? Not continueing to play players out of position? It's the fans? The same fans who have stayed behind Pulis at pretty much every game? Are you deluded? I said on a previous thread that I still do not consider ourselves established yet even after 5 years. It will take 10 at least IMO) Really 10 years? More than 10? Do we have to put up with being the lowest scorer in England for how many more years then? Pulis out? No. Fair weather supporters out more like. What a load of rubbish. Have followed Stoke for decades and to be told (1) I'm a "fair weather supporter" and (2) that I should not follow the club just for wanting to watch something that resembles football. You really are delussional.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 15:14:37 GMT
Is it a sign that we as fans are changing? When we first came up, we didn't give a flying fook what people thought? Personally, I still don't, and especially what people in the US think, they don't really get the "Soccer/Football" thing anyway Speak for yourself mate. I've never liked people from the outside talking in a negative way about my football club. We (quite rightly in my opinion)get a lot of negative press and personally I hate it.
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Post by gibby1409 on May 4, 2013 15:44:27 GMT
Is it a sign that we as fans are changing? When we first came up, we didn't give a flying fook what people thought? Personally, I still don't, and especially what people in the US think, they don't really get the "Soccer/Football" thing anyway Speak for yourself mate. I've never liked people from the outside talking in a negative way about my football club. We (quite rightly in my opinion)get a lot of negative press and personally I hate it.
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Post by cartman123 on May 4, 2013 15:46:49 GMT
We need Gus Poyet!
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Post by enuntio on May 4, 2013 16:12:12 GMT
I guess it's down to the POWER of DELAP. Well done Rory. We put the frighteners on teams just by using the "humble" throw-in. Damnatgion Chaps. It's Just Not Cricket. Well. Just Like Spartacus said, Fuck 'em, Fuck 'em all...
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