|
|
Post by philm87 on May 1, 2013 23:37:52 GMT
The phrase 'has has tried to close it and starve it' is slightly different from saying he is incompetent. Fits well with "lack of understanding" though if you think it through. Don't worry Mark. I know your personal hatred of the manager sometimes clouds your judgement and means you say things you don't really mean.  |
|
|
|
Post by prem4stoke on May 1, 2013 23:42:26 GMT
We beat Liverpool tonight 4-0 U 18's although they fielded their U 16's  |
|
|
|
Post by prem4stoke on May 1, 2013 23:46:31 GMT
The phrase 'has has tried to close it and starve it' is slightly different from saying he is incompetent. Fits well with "lack of understanding" though if you think it through. You may have a kid between 5-10 I don't know but I do, Crewe pick them off Stoke don't end of. This is shocking in my view. |
|
|
|
Post by MarkWolstanton on May 1, 2013 23:47:16 GMT
Fits well with "lack of understanding" though if you think it through. Don't worry Mark. I know your personal hatred of the manager sometimes clouds your judgement and means you say things you don't really mean. Good job I know you aren't so desperate to resort to suggesting that someone who bases his judgement on what he sees on the football field and around the football set up at the club he has supported all his life would "hate" a bloody football manager then, Phil. It could compromise your status in my eyes as the voice of even handed reason, if I for a second suspected that. |
|
|
|
Post by MarkWolstanton on May 1, 2013 23:49:29 GMT
We beat Liverpool tonight 4-0 U 18's although they fielded their U 16's We have beaten them at that level on many occasions. We shouldn't confuse results as having meaning at that stage of development even though our esteemed manager does. Of that I can assure you. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 23:50:26 GMT
It's down to lack of interest and encouragement from the Potteries parents with regards to getting their kids involved in football from a young age and sticking by them. Thats a problem unique to the Potteries? There is a lack of decent sports facilities in the district. Compared to say Nottingham it is diabolical but that isn't down to parental interest or commitment I can assure you. It doesn't stop Everton & Liverpool youth coaches coming to our local park ever week regardless of the weather to coach and scout up to 150 kids every weekend. Too much emphasis is made on 'coaching facilities'.... If scousers can do it ...Why can't Stoke people .? |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 23:56:08 GMT
I'd love to know how often and how well supported similar schemes are in Stoke.....and I'm only describing a tiny fraction of the scouting network in Cheshire.
It's that busy on the touchlines with parents, community police coppers are often drafted in as a precaution....
|
|
|
|
Post by MarkWolstanton on May 2, 2013 0:00:12 GMT
Your last two posts are about the work done by the clubs in facilitating and monitoring. I agree with that and the poor comparison we see from Stoke but that is not a parental factor.
|
|
|
|
Post by MarkWolstanton on May 2, 2013 0:04:46 GMT
Fits well with "lack of understanding" though if you think it through. You may have a kid between 5-10 I don't know but I do, Crewe pick them off Stoke don't end of. This is shocking in my view. Totally agree. I could write a book on that one from personal experience. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 0:11:22 GMT
My point is simply this ....The kids round here are supported fantastically well by their parents and it is they who invite the coaches.
The coaches duly oblige...
I don't know if this is the case in Stoke...You tell me.?
It's a two way thing....
Every Saturday upto 200 parents watching the Kids on playing fields the size of Sprink Bank , High lane, Little Chell (to put things into some kind of context.)
I can never recall this happening in my day....As for Stoke Scouts being present...Never.!
|
|
|
|
Post by banksy on May 2, 2013 9:01:00 GMT
|
|
mikeyc
Academy Starlet
Posts: 207
|
Post by mikeyc on May 2, 2013 9:12:48 GMT
Remember the new academy structure, with all the investment in coaches etc. is very different from the old academy. It'll take time for this to take effect. Watched the under 18s on tele last night and there seem to be some useful players with potential in there. Also don't exagerate the number of top players Crewe have produced in the last few years - 2 or 3 at most.
|
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2013 10:20:40 GMT
We beat Liverpool tonight 4-0 U 18's although they fielded their U 16's I keep reading that, most of their team were 17! And I think we started with the youngest player on the pitch! And after checking it's as I suspect crap, I've read a lot of Liverpool fans say this, it was a mainly first year side from them. One of those first years has already played for the Liverpool first team. So they can use it as an excuse and You can use it to put the result down but lets be honest.....what a load of shit! |
|
|
|
Post by baltipiesmuggler on May 2, 2013 11:10:41 GMT
What concerns me here is the complete and utter disconnect between the first 11, Pulis and our entire direction for the academy.
Under 18's produce some great stuff and move to 3rd in the League, hell even the ladies are romping away with it. Yet Tony still won't acknowledge the direction the club is moving in?! Madness, just sheer madness.
My gut feel is that this could be the straw that breaks the camels back as far as Coates and Pulis are concerned. Businessman Vs Resultsman.
|
|
mikeyc
Academy Starlet
Posts: 207
|
Post by mikeyc on May 2, 2013 11:38:30 GMT
What concerns me here is the complete and utter disconnect between the first 11, Pulis and our entire direction for the academy. Under 18's produce some great stuff and move to 3rd in the League, hell even the ladies are romping away with it. Yet Tony still won't acknowledge the direction the club is moving in?! Madness, just sheer madness. My gut feel is that this could be the straw that breaks the camels back as far as Coates and Pulis are concerned. Businessman Vs Resultsman. The Under 21s don't seem have done very well, so maybe none of them are good enough for the first team squad yet. Maybe we'll have to wait until the under 18s come through. |
|
|
|
Post by Godo on May 2, 2013 13:09:59 GMT
If we showed genuine commitment to developing quality players, in a team playing modern technical football and as a club that gave the players the opportunity to play some first team football we could create a niche whereby we became a major developing club - even if we then sold on the players to bigger clubs like The Shit. Better to be a selling club as opposed to a club that provides a pay cheque to Redknapp's cast offs and the handful of journey men players that Pulis knows the names of who have no re-sale value.
In the 70's /80's we developed and sold a host of players - Pejic, Crooks, Heath, Bracewell, Chapman, Bould Chamberlain, etc etc. Why not now? Mainly I would say due to the negative reputation that our club has for our style of play and the lack of any opportunities given to "kiddies" by the current manager.
The French have shown that you can develop top class players, even at relatively minor clubs like Caen, whilst we have the likes of "seasoned pro's" such as Wilson Palacios receiving big salaries for occasionally warming the bench. How much did Guardiola, Puyol, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Valdes, Pedro etc etc cost Barcelona? Why can Southampton do it but we can't? As usual the bog standard Pulis mentality prevails with some people on this board - know our place, only ever aspire to reach 40 points, play hit and hope football, so long as we work hard, and never show any commitment to developing an imaginative programme of youth development that could transform the club!! Lazy and outdated.
|
|
|
|
Post by knowingeye on May 2, 2013 13:13:23 GMT
Frustration perhaps for Coates family and Phil Rawlins, but much more so for those players good enough but overlooked due to the current agenda. Stoke's Academy seems to be a long way from the vision of Keith Leighton, Noel Blake and Gordon Bennett. Tony Pulis is previously on record of wanting to close the Academy down funnelling budget into the first team and more lately where is the focus being channelled but the first team results. Pulis's return is probably why many of the older coaches exited before his re-employment as they knew that their efforts and those of the youngsters would be wasted. Pulis is short term results measured and the Academy doesn't figure on his radar, understandably in the current climate. That's not unique to the Premier league when only 20% of players are home-grown. Watching the Crewe Academy 11 with local players playing Walsall last week was revealing in as much that these "youngsters" played to the strategy that Davis and Baker had coached over many years, something that many bigger teams in upper and lower leagues could learn from.
|
|
