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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 21, 2013 12:28:28 GMT
unbelievably I am talking to two blokes that USED to go to Stoke but haven't for some time and they are the first two people I have ever heard say that Greenhoff was crap. Apparently, he was "yellow" and lost his bottle after an ankle break early in his career. They are slating him for missing a one on one in the FA Cup Semi Final and one has said that "we would have won the FA Cup but for Greenhoff". I never saw Greenhoff play but I have never, until today, heard any Stoke fan have a bad word to say about him. I am off to play golf with them now so would appreciate any comments. I will then show them what a pair of wankers they are when I come in!  |
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Post by smiler_andy on Mar 21, 2013 12:36:24 GMT
When I was a kid players like Hudson and Greenhoff were legends and we finished 5th two seasons in a row in the top league in the country. We used to pass the ball a bit in those days and score goals. I think football has changed a bit since then  |
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Post by lordb on Mar 21, 2013 12:37:20 GMT
it was a bad miss
his goals record wasnt that amazing
complete bollocks though their viewpoint
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 21, 2013 12:37:48 GMT
Greenhoff was a brilliant player and your mates are talking rubbish; he was so bad that Man U snapped him up for what was a lot of money then.
from Wicki
After three goals in sixteen games in 1976–77, he was sold to Tommy Docherty's Manchester United in November 1976 for £120,000; with Stoke needing the money to pay a bill for £250,000 to repair the Victoria Ground following a powerful wind-storm. Though Docherty intended him to play alongside Stuart Pearson, the move also meant that he would play alongside his brother, Brian Greenhoff. He scored a total of 97 goals for Stoke in 338 league and cup starts, putting him ninth in the club's overall goalscoring charts. A legend at the club, many Stoke fans consider him to be the greatest England player never to win a senior cap.
He scored twelve goals in 34 games for United in 1976–77, bagging a hat-trick against Newcastle United on 19 February.However he greatest contribution would be in the FA Cup. He scored both United's goals in a 2–1 win over Southampton in a Fifth Round replay, before he put the "Red Devils" into the final by scoring past former club Leeds in a 2–1 semi-final victory at Hillsborough. He then went on to score the winner in the final after getting in the way of Lou Macari's wayward shot; in doing so he denied opponents and bitter rivals Liverpool from achieving the Treble.
Wish we had his equivalent now
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 21, 2013 12:38:07 GMT
Greenhoff is the greatest English player not to get a full cap. Nuff said.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Mar 21, 2013 12:43:06 GMT
I remember watching Greenhoff play much of the last third of a game with his arm in a sling!!
It was a big match - I think it was either the LCF or one of the 4 FAC SF games. Perhaps someone can chip in on that one.
Yellow? utter, total drivel.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 21, 2013 12:45:57 GMT
Kill them. Bury their bodies under the 1st tee.
Anything else is conjecture.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Mar 21, 2013 12:47:06 GMT
unbelievably I am talking to two blokes that USED to go to Stoke but haven't for some time and they are the first two people I have ever heard say that Greenhoff was crap. Apparently, he was "yellow" and lost his bottle after an ankle break early in his career. They are slating him for missing a one on one in the FA Cup Semi Final and one has said that "we would have won the FA Cup but for Greenhoff". I never saw Greenhoff play but I have never, until today, heard any Stoke fan have a bad word to say about him. I am off to play golf with them now so would appreciate any comments. I will then show them what a pair of wankers they are when I come in! He often went down as though a sniper had hit him in the back, and as someone has said, his scoring record was not that great. But I think your friends' view is piffle. He was a privilege to watch and one of only a handful of class players this club has ever had. That day at Hillsborough defined the phrase "defeat (as it ultimately was) snatched from the jaws of victory". But we missed a hatful of chances to bury the game. Sir James of Greenhoffshire was not the only culprit. Anyone who thinks that "we would have won the cup" if we he had scored probably wasn't around at the time - and certainly had no understanding of how strong Liverpool were at that stage. As I suggest, it is nincompoopery of the first order. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 12:50:07 GMT
Kill them. Bury their bodies under the 1st tee. Anything else is conjecture. why bother burying them? They should be kept as an example, and mating practice for Vale fans |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 21, 2013 12:54:49 GMT
He's my favourit Stoke player by a mile and he was utterly BRILLIANT for Stoke.
However, even I have to admit (I often said it at the time) he tended not to score when 1 0n 1 with the keeper.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Mar 21, 2013 12:55:11 GMT
I wasn't around at the time, but just mentioned this to my old man and he just went into a homicidal rage ;D
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Post by farmer on Mar 21, 2013 12:58:11 GMT
When greenoff first joined the club there was alot of what a waste of money songs on match days,he turned into a lot better player after hudson arrived but i dont like saying this his best spell as a player was at the shit.And it was at wembly that he injured his shoulder but he still managed to get his shot on target so GE could pick up the rebound of Bonniti and history was made.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 21, 2013 12:59:56 GMT
He broke his nose when playing for Stoke and returned to the team almost immediately - and this was in the days when there were no N'Zonzi style face masks. In the League Cup final he was injured and he played on for quite a while before he was subbed.
Yellow is the last word you'd use to describe Jimmy G.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 21, 2013 13:00:49 GMT
Greenhoff was a great player, but actually he did occasionally get a bit of stick with the crowd on 3 levels as I remember
1. missing the odd 'sitter' - he did miss a few one on ones - though usually making up for it by scoring blinders and remember he was great at getting into those positions in the first place
2. used to overdo it a bit with the diving. anyone remember his eccentric roles across the grass a la Ronaldo. Having said that he got some rough treatment in those days with the likes of Hunter, Harris and Storey.
3. pulling out of 50-50s, he was a bit timid in that dept in an age where everyone got stuck in.
Having said that he was much loved overall and his link up play with Hudson ( can someone please show the videos to Crouch and Walters) was undoubtedly the best, most sublime football I have ever experienced and those who had the pleasure of witnessing those games are truly blessed.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 21, 2013 13:03:54 GMT
My memories are similar to Spitthedog; he was without doubt the best I have ever seen at volleying a waist high ball
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Mar 21, 2013 13:09:14 GMT
We would have never got anywhere near an FA Cup Final back then without Jimmy Greenhoff or anything else for that matter.
They're winding you up...........by the way, I've saw Lionel Messi miss a 1 on 1 last week against Real Valladolid.....I guess he must be shite as well!
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Post by mcf on Mar 21, 2013 13:14:35 GMT
3 goals in 16 games?????
...and yet you slag Walters off????
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Post by hippompo on Mar 21, 2013 13:15:20 GMT
This sir is pure heresy.
I know time affects your memory etc etc but
Sir James of Greenhoff was a very very special player. Yes playing alongside the great Alan Hudson helped but....
In the garden, in the park in the school playing field i was Jimmy Greenhoff always.
Cried like a baby when he went to Man Utd and fell out of love for Stoke...for a couple of days...
Whenever he is at Stoke still feel myself welling up inside at the great memories as he is part responsible for me falling in love with the game..
Your two blokes are just ignorant and should be kept well away from me at all costs as getting angrier by the second that this drivel can be spouted on here..
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 21, 2013 13:20:08 GMT
There is a grain if truth in the fact that he was a tad timid in the tackle, but as others have said there were some real hatchet men around at that time and some of the tackles would make todays footballers choose netball as a career instead.
However that issue is completely overshadowed by the sublime natural skill he possessed and as others have said his telepathic partnership with Huddy remains to this day the most breathtaking play ever seen from players in a scfc shirt.
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Post by mcf on Mar 21, 2013 13:20:28 GMT
fucking hell....by that token then Iwelumo was a legend because my eldest had him on his shirt when nodding them home against the shed in the back garden!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 13:57:46 GMT
When greenoff first joined the club there was alot of what a waste of money songs on match days,he turned into a lot better player after hudson arrived but i dont like saying this his best spell as a player was at the shit.And it was at wembly that he injured his shoulder but he still managed to get his shot on target so GE could pick up the rebound of Bonniti and history was made. Crap mate, Greenhoff played his best football for Stoke. Second best player I ever saw behind Huddy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 14:01:36 GMT
3 goals in 16 games????? ...and yet you slag Walters off???? Comparing Jon Walters to Jimmy Greenhoff is like comparing Susan Boyle to Angelina Jolie. The only thing Walters has in common with Greenhoff is that they are/have been both professional footballers(allegedly in Walters' case.) |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 21, 2013 14:03:14 GMT
I'm looking forward to the Hudson backlash. It starts here......he didn't score enough goals and his hair was occasionally a bit long.
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Post by ihaveadream on Mar 21, 2013 14:08:58 GMT
unbelievably I am talking to two blokes that USED to go to Stoke but haven't for some time and they are the first two people I have ever heard say that Greenhoff was crap. Apparently, he was "yellow" and lost his bottle after an ankle break early in his career. They are slating him for missing a one on one in the FA Cup Semi Final and one has said that "we would have won the FA Cup but for Greenhoff". I never saw Greenhoff play but I have never, until today, heard any Stoke fan have a bad word to say about him. I am off to play golf with them now so would appreciate any comments. I will then show them what a pair of wankers they are when I come in! Are you their carer? |
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Post by joinerssquire on Mar 21, 2013 14:10:55 GMT
When greenoff first joined the club there was alot of what a waste of money songs on match days,he turned into a lot better player after hudson arrived but i dont like saying this his best spell as a player was at the shit.And it was at wembly that he injured his shoulder but he still managed to get his shot on target so GE could pick up the rebound of Bonniti and history was made. Crap mate, Greenhoff played his best football for Stoke. Second best player I ever saw behind Huddy. Spot on. His partnership with Huddy was almost telepathic. My two favourite memories of Sir Jim were his 'mental' after scoring in the 5-0 win over Arsenal and his two goals away at Derby when he might even have got mud on his shorts. |
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Post by mcf on Mar 21, 2013 14:14:34 GMT
...ahh...when jonny walters skipped round luiz and buried it ...when he netted a brace v liverpool all when the game was played at pace as well....not like in the 70s when they used to walk around.... you lot sound like my old man |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 21, 2013 14:30:10 GMT
When greenoff first joined the club there was alot of what a waste of money songs on match days,he turned into a lot better player after hudson arrived but i dont like saying this his best spell as a player was at the shit.And it was at wembly that he injured his shoulder but he still managed to get his shot on target so GE could pick up the rebound of Bonniti and history was made. Sorry but I just couldn't disagree more with this. He did make a 'slow' start but I've always commented on the lack of 'flack' he got because it was so patently obvious what a talent he was. His best years were most definitely spent at Stoke, where he was an absolute genius. United got the last hurrah out of him but his brilliance and his heart belonged in Stoke. |
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Post by farmer on Mar 21, 2013 14:31:44 GMT
Greenhoff was a good player but got better with age he helped us to win the league cup,but we should of won the league with the team we had,we were also paying top transfer fees and wages to achive this,so Greenhoff and the rest let us down by not winning the league if we had he would of been a saint.I know we sold him to the shit but dont believe all you read it took him 5min to make his mind up.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 21, 2013 14:42:12 GMT
Greenhoff was a good player but got better with age he helped us to win the league cup,but we should of won the league with the team we had,we were also paying top transfer fees and wages to achive this,so Greenhoff and the rest let us down by not winning the league if we had he would of been a saint.I know we sold him to the shit but dont believe all you read it took him 5min to make his mind up. Sorry, this is getting silly. He was a key component that made us CAPABLE of winning the league and (IMO) but for Shilton, we WOULD have won it. He was literally heartbroken at having to leave Stoke and it was forced upon him by a club that needed the money and to offload his wages (he took a pay cut to join united). He tells the story himself with great passion and Waddington also spoke of how he should have left the club the day that Greenhoff was forced out. Sorry but the above just isn't true unless we disbelieve Waddington and Greenhoff but believe you. |
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Post by mcf on Mar 21, 2013 14:48:53 GMT
he took a pay cut to join Man U??????
Fuck me, we must have been top payers at the time then.
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