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Post by AlbertTatlock on Mar 14, 2013 15:28:03 GMT
OK we’re all a bit pissed off with Pulis (some more than others) the team selection and tactics but there are players that have let us down big style, some of these players were what we were all crying out for before they signed and some of them started really good but eventually just drew their wages and screwed us over. Pennant, Billy big bollocks, word from the ground he’s an arrogant prick but none of us cared about that though as he was playing some great football on the right wing, pinging in crosses winning free kicks, we played some of our best football under Pulis with Pennant and Ethers on the wings. Then his true personality started to show through, he got into trouble with police was handed an eight-week suspended sentence and disqualified for driving for three years after pleading guilty to drink-driving, driving while disqualified, and driving without insurance went out on the piss the night before a match broke club curfews etc, it appears he thought he was better than the rest of the team and Pulis never seemed to forgive him. Palacios, seemed exactly what we were crying out for a quality central midfielder £6m and he just couldn’t get himself fit, word is he never quite puts 100% effort in trying to either. Hardly started for the team and looks like he’ll be shipped out at a big loss as soon as someone (god knows who) will offer a mars bar and 50p just to get him off the wage bill. Whelan, played like his arse was on fire when he was after his contract renewing, since then he’s been the worst excuse of a midfielder ever to play for Stoke in the premiership, IMO a bigger let down than Palacios. Walters, runs around a lot but that’s it, someone needs to recognise that effort just isn’t enough. He takes a wank penalty but refuses to step aside and let someone have a go even after he’s missed several of his last attempts. Feel free to add your own, I have to go out now. Gouranga.  |
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Post by mark71 on Mar 14, 2013 15:32:30 GMT
You've got to ask the question why did we sign Pennant in the first place.
I mean it's not like he's ever been a bad boy. You name me one club that he's been thrown out of.
Ok name me a club he hasn't been thrown out of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 15:33:51 GMT
Pennant agreed
the others, you can't really blame them if they're 1) not good enough 2) were never able to get their fitness up (unless they're sitting at home tabbing away eating Gregg's sausage rolls or 3) not being used by Pulis
the manager brought Palacios here and it's Pulis that hasn't used him. if he's been unable to get 100% fit then you have to question why Pulis bought him as this should really have been determined at the medical.
in short, they haven't let the club down (can't really remember Whelan ever being some god like midfielder spraying passes around to be fair, he's an ok midfielder but never been considerably better than he is at the moment). they were paid for by the manager and they are asked to play for the manager; what are they supposed to do just say "Sorry Tone but play someone else cos i'm shit really"?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Mar 14, 2013 15:36:20 GMT
You've got to ask the question why did we sign Pennant in the first place. I mean it's not like he's ever been a bad boy. You name me one club that he's been thrown out of. Ok name me a club he hasn't been thrown out of. It was his chance to put it all behind him and knuckle down, he was publicly spouting how he was a reformed character after the arrival of his son. IMO he was a gamble that was worth taking for £1.75m and we got a good season out of him, he just went on from there to let everyone down. Gouranga. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 15:37:02 GMT
Walters has never let the club down, he's done everything the manager has asked of him..
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Post by adamsson on Mar 14, 2013 15:39:17 GMT
Walters has never let the club down, he's done everything the manager has asked of him.. yeah but why does he tell him to run around like idiot all the time ??? |
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Post by MuddyWoody on Mar 14, 2013 15:40:44 GMT
It's amazing how the form of certain players can improve dramatically when contract time is approaching, then that form disappears again when it's been signed.  |
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Post by wirralexile on Mar 14, 2013 15:52:31 GMT
Maybe Palacios would get fit if Tony employed a Sports Scientist but he doesn't believe in them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 15:53:05 GMT
Walters has never let the club down, he's done everything the manager has asked of him.. yeah but why does he tell him to run around like idiot all the time ??? Because the manager tells him to? |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 14, 2013 15:56:17 GMT
Hmm...I agree with most but Walters 100% does everything he can for this club! Every week he gives 100% just look at his workrate, he may not be the most talented footballer we have but is definitely our most loyal.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Mar 14, 2013 15:58:56 GMT
That's incredibly harsh on Walters he always gives 100% and is our highest goal scorer its not his fault that he's been played out of position, most other players would have thrown a massive strop by now.
Palacios, imo, has suffered mentally after the murder of his brother so its harsh to blame him.
I'd add Crouch to that list.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 16:01:11 GMT
That's incredibly harsh on Walters he always gives 100% and is our highest goal scorer its not his fault that he's been played out of position, most other players would have thrown a massive strop by now. Palacios, imo, has suffered mentally after the murder of his brother so its harsh to blame him. I'd add Crouch to that list. what happened to Crouch's brother?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 16:03:11 GMT
I'd add Crouch to that list. Can you really say that he's let the club down for not being Kenwyne Jones? It's The manager that picks the team and sets out the tactics.. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 14, 2013 16:03:21 GMT
I will also add, Walters does NOT take a wank penalty at all.
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 14, 2013 16:03:41 GMT
Walters has never let the club down, he's done everything the manager has asked of him.. That Pulis has got some bottle asking him to score two own goals and miss a penalty !! |
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Post by foster on Mar 14, 2013 16:04:05 GMT
You can point your fingers at certain players as much as you want, but it's Tone who buys and chooses whether to play them or not.
8m for Palacios was Tones fault.
I'm not sure there have been many worse transfers than that in Premier League history.
Excluding Kieron Dyer to WH and Owen to Newcastle.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 14, 2013 16:07:31 GMT
You can point your fingers at certain players as much as you want, but it's Tone who buys and chooses whether to play them or not. 8m for Palacios was Tones fault. I'm not sure there have been many worse transfers than that in Premier League history. Excluding Kieron Dyer to WH and Owen to Newcastle. I thought when Palacios played he definitely was worth the 8m |
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 14, 2013 16:07:39 GMT
Hasn't Pennant's attitude been an issue for well over a year?
There have been 3 transfer windows in that time and we haven't replaced him effectively. TP needed to take this situation much more seriously, but he has frittered away money on areas of the team that weren't as lacking,imo.
I feel the transfer funds made available to TP haven't been spent effectively in some very obvious areas i.e. fullbacks and wingers and I cannot understand that at all tbh. Stokes' habit of mainly buying at the end of the transfer window doesn't seem to bear fruit, often enough, yet it continues to be slavishly applied.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 16:08:26 GMT
You can point your fingers at certain players as much as you want, but it's Tone who buys and chooses whether to play them or not. 8m for Palacios was Tones fault. I'm not sure there have been many worse transfers than that in Premier League history. Excluding Kieron Dyer to WH and Owen to Newcastle. you can add Pikeyboy to Liverpool to that list methinks! |
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Post by foster on Mar 14, 2013 16:08:56 GMT
Hasn't Pennant's attitude been an issue for well over a year? There have been 3 transfer windows in that time and we haven't replaced him effectively. TP needed to take this situation much more seriously, but he has frittered away money on areas of the team that weren't as lacking,imo. I feel the transfer funds made available to TP haven't been spent effectively in some very obvious areas i.e. fullbacks and wingers and I cannot understand that at all tbh. Stokes' habit of mainly buying at the end of the transfer window doesn't seem to bear fruit, often enough, yet it continues to be slavishly applied. We don't do player sales. We keep them until their contracts expire and then lose them for free. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 16:09:22 GMT
Walters has never let the club down, he's done everything the manager has asked of him.. That Pulis has got some bottle asking him to score two own goals and miss a penalty !! I wonder what the odds on that happening were? ;D |
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 14, 2013 16:23:08 GMT
Hasn't Pennant's attitude been an issue for well over a year? There have been 3 transfer windows in that time and we haven't replaced him effectively. TP needed to take this situation much more seriously, but he has frittered away money on areas of the team that weren't as lacking,imo. I feel the transfer funds made available to TP haven't been spent effectively in some very obvious areas i.e. fullbacks and wingers and I cannot understand that at all tbh. Stokes' habit of mainly buying at the end of the transfer window doesn't seem to bear fruit, often enough, yet it continues to be slavishly applied. We don't do player sales. We keep them until their contracts expire and then lose them for free. Yeah, I've noticed. Not necessarily a problem for me, although would think the Coates family may have an opinion. What I don't understand is why TP doesn't bring in decent replacements for the various players who he's placed permanently on the "naughty step"? |
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 14, 2013 16:31:01 GMT
That Pulis has got some bottle asking him to score two own goals and miss a penalty !! I wonder what the odds on that happening were? ;D I think you might be onto somthing there Kryten. Maybe PC has told TP has has to generate cash of his own to spend on the team !! |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 14, 2013 16:41:09 GMT
OK we’re all a bit pissed off with Pulis (some more than others) the team selection and tactics but there are players that have let us down big style, some of these players were what we were all crying out for before they signed and some of them started really good but eventually just drew their wages and screwed us over. Pennant, Billy big bollocks, word from the ground he’s an arrogant prick but none of us cared about that though as he was playing some great football on the right wing, pinging in crosses winning free kicks, we played some of our best football under Pulis with Pennant and Ethers on the wings. Then his true personality started to show through, he got into trouble with police was handed an eight-week suspended sentence and disqualified for driving for three years after pleading guilty to drink-driving, driving while disqualified, and driving without insurance went out on the piss the night before a match broke club curfews etc, it appears he thought he was better than the rest of the team and Pulis never seemed to forgive him. Palacios, seemed exactly what we were crying out for a quality central midfielder £6m and he just couldn’t get himself fit, word is he never quite puts 100% effort in trying to either. Hardly started for the team and looks like he’ll be shipped out at a big loss as soon as someone (god knows who) will offer a mars bar and 50p just to get him off the wage bill. Whelan, played like his arse was on fire when he was after his contract renewing, since then he’s been the worst excuse of a midfielder ever to play for Stoke in the premiership, IMO a bigger let down than Palacios. Walters, runs around a lot but that’s it, someone needs to recognise that effort just isn’t enough. He takes a wank penalty but refuses to step aside and let someone have a go even after he’s missed several of his last attempts. Feel free to add your own, I have to go out now. Gouranga. Walters!?!!!!??? It's been my misfortune to read some utter shite on here in recent weeks but that takes the total shitty biscuit!! He's let the club down by giving 100% in every game he plays and trying to fulfill whatever crazy role the manager designs for him. He probably even has to cut the oranges before the match and make the tea at half time. If half the players to represent Stoke City FC in the last twenty five years had done so with the dedication and commitment of Walters then we would never have gone into the crap position we did. Let the club down!!! Pfffffttttt. |
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Post by adamsson on Mar 14, 2013 16:45:26 GMT
Yes but Walters is just not very good at football
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 14, 2013 16:50:23 GMT
Yes but Walters is just not very good at football I wish I was as "not very good" as Walters. You'd wonder why more blokes don't just become Premier League footballers given that its so easy. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 14, 2013 16:50:46 GMT
Didn't Ric let the club down a few times?
Coming back for training late,asking to return late, so he could paint his mums house,getting red cards because he threw a wobbler or two?
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Post by Northy on Mar 14, 2013 16:51:37 GMT
Yes but Walters is just not very good at football Thats nothing to do with the op title or question is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 16:52:26 GMT
Didn't Ric let the club down a few times? Coming back for training late,asking to return late, so he could paint his mums house,getting red cards because he threw a wobbler or two? ;D pretty sure he returned late because he was helping his Nan rebuild her house after it got destroyed in a tornado or something but see what you're getting at |
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 14, 2013 17:05:56 GMT
Unfortunately I think some players are on their way down and this is why we now not are that successful. If we look at the team that reached the FA Cup final we had Ethers on the left, Pennant on the right, Jones and Walters in the middle. These players were all very good at the time! What has happened then? Well, first of all Pennant has put himself in a position where he is just half the player (if a player at all!). Ethers has also become an average player compared to that season. We also had Kenwyne in the middle who is stronger, pacier and more mobile than Crouch, and Walters was used in his most natural position, and with another striker that gets the best out of him (like the Lpool game!). For all the other positions we should have better players today, maybe Whelan is inferior to Rory, but as we all can see we need wingers who can get crosses in and we need Jones to replace Crouch!
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