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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Mar 13, 2013 10:44:05 GMT
We HAVE to play with two wingers. These two guys ARE good enough. They need support to gain confidence. Form will return.
Our wingers MUST play. They must START.
Then it's any two from four up front.
(Crouch Walters Jones Jerome)
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Post by stoke4eva on Mar 13, 2013 10:48:26 GMT
yeah they should play... but they wont!
save your breath pal they wont start under pulis.
bego
cam shawx wilson wilko
shotts glen nonzi walters
jerome jones
team for sat i reckon
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Post by unknown182 on Mar 13, 2013 10:52:45 GMT
Shea isn't fully fit. So nowhere near Pulis fit.
I haven't seen Kightly cross a decent ball since he's been at the club. I just hope Ethers is fit for Saturday
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 13, 2013 10:53:45 GMT
The manager will see this game as an opportunity for a point and a clean sheet. He will go with what he thinks are his best 'defensive' wide men which is Walters (runs all day long) and Shotton (defender). The manager will be ultra cautious until we are safe.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Mar 13, 2013 10:54:00 GMT
How can you say they ARE good enough? Shea has hardly kicked a ball and Kightly has been awful.
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Post by mcf on Mar 13, 2013 10:54:01 GMT
if Ethers ain't back then I'll be crying
Kightly has been ropey but worth giving Shea a go possibly
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Post by stoke4eva on Mar 13, 2013 10:55:50 GMT
Shea isn't fully fit. So nowhere near Pulis fit. I haven't seen Kightly cross a decent ball since he's been at the club. I just hope Ethers is fit for Saturday agree. however matty as been worse than walters on the wing this season. he should play 3 in midfield with walters and jerome on the wings in an attacking area. then just tell crouch/kj to just stand in the box where they are meant to be |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Mar 13, 2013 11:05:44 GMT
I think its crucial to play with Etherington (if fit) and Kightly as playing with 2 proper wingers gives us natural width that automatically stretch the opposition, plus it stops the opposition from doubling up on Ethers.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Mar 13, 2013 11:07:36 GMT
Shea looks like he could be a good signing but he's not quite fit or sharp enough yet.
From what I've seen of him recently Kightly has been shocking.
I agree that Shea should start but doubt he will. Hoping Matty is fit for Saturday.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Mar 13, 2013 11:08:41 GMT
They are good enough because they are in our squad. I think the issue with them both is confidence. By taking them aside and saying they will get a run of games would make a world of difference.
If you are saying Walters and Shotton will be more effective as wingers, I'm happy to argue with you all day, based on the number of times players playing out of position have been torn apart by opposition teams this year.
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Post by Binndy on Mar 13, 2013 11:11:34 GMT
Do the team ever practice working together in groups of 2/3players ? That is what is needed . I saw shea being in the right position to cross,but he was not passed the ball. I saw Shea trying to work with Adam and it did not come together. To which Shea said come on to Adam. All our players are very able, it also about the whole team having a good day. Individuals, being up to giving 100 % and small groups of players teaming up. yes wing play ,an attacking midfielder. Two strikers is our lads at their best.
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 13, 2013 11:12:18 GMT
They are good enough because they are in our squad. I think the issue with them both is confidence. By taking them aside and saying they will get a run of games would make a world of difference. If you are saying Walters and Shotton will be more effective as wingers, I'm happy to argue with you all day, based on the number of times players playing out of position have been torn apart by opposition teams this year. It doesn't take confidence to cross a ball, it takes ability, the last 2 games kightly has played he's managed 1 half decent cross out of about 8 attempts. most haven't even left the floor. I aint 1 to normally knock a player but he's been terrible recently and it's nothing to do with confidence. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 13, 2013 11:34:19 GMT
I am sure in that combination somewhere there is an unfortunate anagram of SHITELY which obviously doesn't bode well as a description of how at least one of them is playing.
Yes, we need wingers and pace but Kiera is useless of late and Shea seems to have a way to go, so maybe not a good idea in a tight game?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 13, 2013 11:39:34 GMT
I think Tone has been saving Matty for this game and I'd like to see Shea given a whirl but it won't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:09:50 GMT
yeah they should play... but they wont! save your breath pal they wont start under pulis. bego cam Shawcross wilson wilko shotts glen nonzi walters jerome jones team for sat i reckon ;D we have to realise just how massive a team the Boing Boings are.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:18:06 GMT
They are good enough because they are in our squad. I think the issue with them both is confidence. By taking them aside and saying they will get a run of games would make a world of difference. If you are saying Walters and Shotton will be more effective as wingers, I'm happy to argue with you all day, based on the number of times players playing out of position have been torn apart by opposition teams this year. who said anything about Walters and Shotton being better? just because Shea and Kightly are the only fit wingers and are better than Walters and Shotts in those positions (which is arguable especially in Kightly's case) in no way automatically makes them good enough to play for a Premiership side basically, you need to make you mind up....are they good enough or is it just that they're better than our other choices? the two are NOT the same thing so you can't just interchange them as and when it suits you...... as yet i've seen absolutely NOTHING to indicate that Kightly is good enough to be a Premiership winger and, as has been correctly pointed out, no-one has seen anything like enough of Shea yet to determine one way or another. simply being in our squad does not mean you are therefore good enough for the Prem...if that was the case then why weren't you screaming for Tonge to be given a run out at the start of the season? |
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Post by stokeramblers on Mar 13, 2013 12:29:03 GMT
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Mar 13, 2013 13:29:04 GMT
Kightly is not good enough judging by the the games I've seen him in this season.
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Post by pulisdog on Mar 13, 2013 13:49:36 GMT
From his display at Fulham, I'd say Shea is a long way off. Not just a matter of fitness. He didn't seem to know his role and looked like a lost sheep.
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Post by lordb on Mar 13, 2013 14:08:56 GMT
totally agree that we need 2 wingers to be any good
hugely disapointed with Kightly
Shea: we need to see him to judge
we aint going down (3 more more points,maybe 4 max required to stay up) so kets give him
6 or 7 starts
If Ethers is back lets play him on the right
If the Mirrors report re TP interest in Tom Ince is correct maybe just maybe we could priortise whatever the transfer budget is on Ince as I'm struggling to think of another likely candidate for RWing next season.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Mar 13, 2013 14:57:40 GMT
Prefer Shotton on the right to Kightly, seriously
Shea could do well for us but probably not yet, he seems miles of fitness
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Post by moult50 on Mar 13, 2013 19:55:07 GMT
Neither are good enough.
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Post by redandwhiteshirts on Mar 13, 2013 20:03:11 GMT
Kightley should never wear a Stoke Shirt again.
The only exception allowed would be to pose for a "Full Kit Wanker" post on Twatter.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 14, 2013 1:27:37 GMT
Kightly would be best playing in the hole for a championship team he is never a winger in a million years. Shea is not fit but needs game time off the bench and then a good pre season.
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Post by oman on Mar 14, 2013 2:38:27 GMT
Based on the teams performance the last 3 games, the idea that Shea isn't fit seems like an incredibly weak argument. Winded, the guy looks more dangerous than most of the guys out there.
Put him out there, make the other team expend some energy on him, and at half time switch him for one of Stoke's world class attackers.
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Post by slother on Mar 14, 2013 8:10:14 GMT
It almost doesn't matter how good or fit they are. Our whole team lacks pace and with our strikers unlikely to find space in the box with movement we need players who can get in the box with them and pull defenders out of position. It's easier than it's ever been to prevent us from scoring.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 14, 2013 9:45:04 GMT
Re:SHEA & KIGHTLY
What are the odds at the bookies before the end of the season it will be:
SHIGHT & GHASTLY?
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Post by shiftyfifty on Mar 14, 2013 9:52:57 GMT
If we start with 2 wingers, it will soon revert to normal because of our weakness with full-backs, our wide men have to track back to help out.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 14, 2013 10:02:41 GMT
We HAVE to play with two wingers. These two guys ARE good enough. They need support to gain confidence. Form will return. Our wingers MUST play. They must START. Then it's any two from four up front. (Crouch Walters Jones Jerome) Agree about two wingers, but I really can't see any hopes for Kightly! He needs to be sold this summer! I would go for Etherington on the right as he hardly gets past defenders any more, but it will give him the chance to drag the ball back and deliver an inswinging cross. I would go for Shea on the left simply because the jury is still out and he has decent pace. With two wingers in the team we also need KJ back as he is the best header at the club, and much stronger than the walking free kick Crouch! |
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Post by kristoff on Mar 14, 2013 10:32:41 GMT
Id rather have had Jarvis, but my Wolves mates were more than happy with Kightly last year. As for Shea, im an NBA fan too, the Americans drool over him. Think he's there second 'Soccer' coming. But having said that, he needs time to adapt to the pace of euopean football. Which means send him somewhere else, he certainly aint gonna learn the 'p' word here
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