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Post by stokie1 on Mar 12, 2013 14:00:25 GMT
Tony Pulis has proved so many times over the years that he can turn these bad runs around and get the results we need.
I would not put much money on Albion beating us at the weekend.
As always the players will be 100% up for the game and will deliver a display that befits the manager.
We have very short memories of teams from yester year who never gave their all for SCFC. One thing no-one can say with any credibility is that the teams that TP puts out give less than 100%.
He is a great motivator and I for one will be backing the team and the manager on Saturday so we can get the win that will make us safe and gives us the confidence boost we need.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 12, 2013 14:01:35 GMT
Yeah good for you son.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Mar 12, 2013 14:03:10 GMT
He might get a result or two to keep us up. What wont change is the crushingly mind numbing shit he serves up as football.He needs to go, if not now then at the end of the season.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Mar 12, 2013 14:03:50 GMT
Turning the bad run around is only the first part. It's what he does after that will influence people's opinions on him.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 12, 2013 14:04:52 GMT
It makes sadistic viewing all this. I love it, I am quite happy either way, but for so many to pin their hopes and happiness on getting him out while he is a wiley, stubborn and talented escape artist that doesn't appear to give two shits for being unpopular. A win on Saturday is very possible and would make it all very interesting. The players looked as 'together' as they have for a while on Saturday.
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Post by kitkatkev on Mar 12, 2013 14:05:39 GMT
TP will make them eat their words when we beat the shit have a feeling be the game that will see us safe
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Post by stokie1 on Mar 12, 2013 14:10:21 GMT
I urge you all to read the Sentinels Celebrating 150 years of Stoke City Part Four 1960-1969. It's great and there are uncanny similarities to what is happening today.
It is amazing that Waddington was exactly the same. In the early years all he cared about was stopping the other team from playing. He played two banks of 4. 2 holding midfield players. He established us in the top league and then the fans got restless. They wanted him out but then in the late 60's he transformed the team into one of the most exciting and best teams in the league that played great football. The rest as they say is history. Can Pulis do this, we will have to wait and see but I think he has earned the chance to at least try.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2013 14:11:58 GMT
TP will make them eat their words when we beat the shit have a feeling be the game that will see us safe If 'their words' are the one's where 'they've' said we play mind numbingly shit boring football most of the time then I think the cutlery will stay in the canteen whatever the results from now until the end of the season. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2013 14:13:37 GMT
I urge you all to read the Sentinels Celebrating 150 years of Stoke City Part Four 1960-1969. It's great and there are uncanny similarities to what is happening today. It is amazing that Waddington was exactly the same. In the early years all he cared about was stopping the other team from playing. He played two banks of 4. 2 holding midfield players. He established us in the top league and then the fans got restless. They wanted him out but then in the late 60's he transformed the team into one of the most exciting and best teams in the league that played great football. The rest as they say is history. Can Pulis do this, we will have to wait and see but I think he has earned the chance to at least try. He's already had around 100 million chances to prove if he can or not. Sadly the answer is not. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 14:17:17 GMT
He's done it before, I was certain that we were going down after that 3-0 hammering at Upton Park... not long after we were in the FA CUP final and eased to a comfortable mid table finish.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 12, 2013 14:19:54 GMT
'As always the players will be 100% up for the game and will deliver a display that befits the manager'
Thatll be dull, dour, predictable, boring, workmanlike, lacking in flair and excitement then ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 14:26:13 GMT
I just want the passion back in the team until the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 14:27:15 GMT
It'd be a start if Tony Pulis could stop underestimating Stoke City.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 12, 2013 14:31:34 GMT
It'd be a start if Tony Pulis could stop underestimating Stoke City. That's pretty impressive rob and, for once, I agree. ;D |
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Post by Bombus on Mar 12, 2013 14:35:56 GMT
TP will make them eat their words when we beat the shit have a feeling be the game that will see us safe +1 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 14:38:53 GMT
I don't underestimate him. I know when I walk through the turnstiles that I'm going to see a car crash of a team selection followed by 90 minutes of dross.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Mar 12, 2013 14:49:11 GMT
Rossi, the original post is fair. He has turned around bad runs in the past.
I would rather have Stokie1's positive attitude backing the manager and the team than your negative dismissal of it.
You've dug yourself so deep into your trench you're absolutely desperate for TP and the team to fail. Very sad.
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Post by Davef on Mar 12, 2013 15:00:51 GMT
I urge you all to read the Sentinels Celebrating 150 years of Stoke City Part Four 1960-1969. It's great and there are uncanny similarities to what is happening today. It is amazing that Waddington was exactly the same. In the early years all he cared about was stopping the other team from playing. He played two banks of 4. 2 holding midfield players. He established us in the top league and then the fans got restless. They wanted him out but then in the late 60's he transformed the team into one of the most exciting and best teams in the league that played great football. The rest as they say is history. Can Pulis do this, we will have to wait and see but I think he has earned the chance to at least try. Waddington wasn't exactly the same as Pulis though was he? It might suit the argument of some, but that doesn't make it true. Of course a club like Stoke City is going to have periods when they struggle in the top division, but that doesn't mean that two of their managers are like peas in a pod. Sure, Waddington had some real hard men in his defence and he had the world's greatest goalkeeper behind them, but in front of them he had some real talent. Look them up, the names roll off the tongue. More importantly, he trusted those players to go out and perform. I really don't think you can say the same about TP. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 12, 2013 15:05:17 GMT
I urge you all to read the Sentinels Celebrating 150 years of Stoke City Part Four 1960-1969. It's great and there are uncanny similarities to what is happening today. It is amazing that Waddington was exactly the same. In the early years all he cared about was stopping the other team from playing. He played two banks of 4. 2 holding midfield players. He established us in the top league and then the fans got restless. They wanted him out but then in the late 60's he transformed the team into one of the most exciting and best teams in the league that played great football. The rest as they say is history. Can Pulis do this, we will have to wait and see but I think he has earned the chance to at least try. Waddington wasn't exactly the same as Pulis though was he? It might suit the argument of some, but that doesn't make it true. Of course a club like Stoke City are going to have periods when they struggle in the top division, but that doesn't mean that two of their managers are like peas in a pod. Sure, Waddington had some real hard men in his defence and he had the world's greatest goalkeeper behind them, but in front of them he had some real talent. Look them up, the names roll of the tongue. More importantly, he trusted those players to go out and perform. I really don't think you can say the same about TP. Didnt he also finish 5th in the league twice, being in the title race until the end of the season on one of those occasions? Goes without saying hes won our only major trophy. Werent the likes of Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhof and co some of the finest footballers of their time? Presumably he didnt spend the equivelant of £104 million either? Or did he? I wasnt there to see it but i'd like to know why some think TP is a better manager than Waddo. |
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 12, 2013 15:14:40 GMT
So the limit of our ambition is now that Pulis pulls a few wins out of the bag and we limp past 40pts come May?
To be fair to the OP, we HAVEN'T been here before... we have never been in a position where we have spent so much, been on such a terrible run (8 wins in 40 is being banded about a lot) and continue to play so negatively away AND at home.
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Post by stokie1 on Mar 12, 2013 15:14:59 GMT
Actually all those great players you mentioned came in the second phase of Waddingtons managerial time. The first 5 years in the 1st divison we finished significantly lower than TP's stoke have and skirted with relegation a fwe times. Its a fact and you should look it up. Once established, Waddington then transformed the club into an attacking exciting team that finished near the top several years in a row and ultimately won the league cup. No-one is denying that and I am not claiming TP is better than TW. All I am saying is that we need patience to transform this team into a top 10 side. Phase 1 is amost complete. The BIG question, can TP achieve phase 2? Who knows, but again I think he really has earned the right to try.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Mar 12, 2013 15:15:12 GMT
I urge you all to read the Sentinels Celebrating 150 years of Stoke City Part Four 1960-1969. It's great and there are uncanny similarities to what is happening today. It is amazing that Waddington was exactly the same. In the early years all he cared about was stopping the other team from playing. He played two banks of 4. 2 holding midfield players. He established us in the top league and then the fans got restless. They wanted him out but then in the late 60's he transformed the team into one of the most exciting and best teams in the league that played great football. The rest as they say is history. Can Pulis do this, we will have to wait and see but I think he has earned the chance to at least try. Waddington wasn't exactly the same as Pulis though was he? It might suit the argument of some, but that doesn't make it true. Of course a club like Stoke City is going to have periods when they struggle in the top division, but that doesn't mean that two of their managers are like peas in a pod. Sure, Waddington had some real hard men in his defence and he had the world's greatest goalkeeper behind them, but in front of them he had some real talent. Look them up, the names roll off the tongue. More importantly, he trusted those players to go out and perform. I really don't think you can say the same about TP. Thing is Pulis did. 2006-07 we played some cracking stuff. Hendrie, Fuller etc. We played some good attacking football at the time. Now we have better players, although one or two more pacy players would benefit the team, and I don't get why the central midfield don't push a bit further forward and why we are so defensive away from home! |
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 12, 2013 15:17:38 GMT
I don't get why the central midfield don't push a bit further forward and why we are so defensive away from home! Give Pulis a choice of a 40% chance of winning, or a 60% chance of not losing, and he will take the avoid defeat approach every time. |
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Post by johnbutlershair on Mar 12, 2013 15:21:27 GMT
I don't get why the central midfield don't push a bit further forward and why we are so defensive away from home! Give Pulis a choice of a 40% chance of winning, or a 60% chance of not losing, and he will take the avoid defeat approach every time. Which I can understand in some of the games away from home, to sit tight and nick one. However, should we really be playing like this at home? And why doesn't he have the confidence in his own team to dominate a game. There is nobody other than the top 5 or 6 that we should be scared of at home. I just don't get it. |
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 12, 2013 15:23:01 GMT
Give Pulis a choice of a 40% chance of winning, or a 60% chance of not losing, and he will take the avoid defeat approach every time. Which I can understand in some of the games away from home, to sit tight and nick one. However, should we really be playing like this at home? And why doesn't he have the confidence in his own team to dominate a game. There is nobody other than the top 5 or 6 that we should be scared of at home. I just don't get it. Agreed. First season, fine. Second, just about acceptable. 5 seasons on is just baffling. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 15:27:16 GMT
Actually all those great players you mentioned came in the second phase of Waddingtons managerial time. The first 5 years in the 1st divison we finished significantly lower than TP's stoke have and skirted with relegation a fwe times. Its a fact and you should look it up. Once established, Waddington then transformed the club into an attacking exciting team that finished near the top several years in a row and ultimately won the league cup. No-one is denying that and I am not claiming TP is better than TW. All I am saying is that we need patience to transform this team into a top 10 side. Phase 1 is amost complete. The BIG question, can TP achieve phase 2? Who knows, but again I think he really has earned the right to try. We achieved phase one a few years ago. We've stagnated over the past two seasons. He's proven he's not capable of incorporating expensive attacking talent successfully into the side. How much longer does he get? |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 12, 2013 15:28:51 GMT
Waddington wasn't exactly the same as Pulis though was he? It might suit the argument of some, but that doesn't make it true. Of course a club like Stoke City are going to have periods when they struggle in the top division, but that doesn't mean that two of their managers are like peas in a pod. Sure, Waddington had some real hard men in his defence and he had the world's greatest goalkeeper behind them, but in front of them he had some real talent. Look them up, the names roll of the tongue. More importantly, he trusted those players to go out and perform. I really don't think you can say the same about TP. Didnt he also finish 5th in the league twice, being in the title race until the end of the season on one of those occasions? Goes without saying hes won our only major trophy. Werent the likes of Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhof and co some of the finest footballers of their time? Presumably he didnt spend the equivelant of £104 million either? Or did he? I wasnt there to see it but i'd like to know why some think TP is a better manager than Waddo. I don't think there are many that think that at all rossi, just hyberbole from Pulis haters. There are many that think he's in the same ball park though. Only appearance in a cup final. Longest run in Europe. and all the usual blah blah blah. It is acceptable to mention our two most successful managers in the same breath and there are similarities them. This moderate position is being portrayed as extremist lunacy by some on here. |
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Post by johnbutlershair on Mar 12, 2013 15:33:56 GMT
Which I can understand in some of the games away from home, to sit tight and nick one. However, should we really be playing like this at home? And why doesn't he have the confidence in his own team to dominate a game. There is nobody other than the top 5 or 6 that we should be scared of at home. I just don't get it. Agreed. First season, fine. Second, just about acceptable. 5 seasons on is just baffling. I honestly think the best thing that can happen to us, is to concede first. That's the time when we attack and look threatening. Newcastle, Liverpool. etc. However at this stage of our Premiership experience surely we should be attacking from the off. Are we probably the only top half team in the league to change our tactics to counter a bottom 3 team? At home? Baffling! |
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Post by nik80 on Mar 12, 2013 15:35:47 GMT
Tony Pulis has proved so many times over the years that he can turn these bad runs around and get the results we need. I would not put much money on Albion beating us at the weekend. As always the players will be 100% up for the game and will deliver a display that befits the manager. We have very short memories of teams from yester year who never gave their all for SCFC. One thing no-one can say with any credibility is that the teams that TP puts out give less than 100%. He is a great motivator and I for one will be backing the team and the manager on Saturday so we can get the win that will make us safe and gives us the confidence boost we need. No matter what team that 'great motivator' decides to put out, one thing you cannot level at us is that we don't get behind the team... I don't think anyone has questioned the team's work rate and effort, it's the results, personnel and tactics which ate getting everybody a bit twitchy. That said, we'll all get fired up ready Saturday morning but what's this? Kempey delivers more crushingly disappointing team news at 1400 hours  Seriously though mate, I think we're all behind the team. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 12, 2013 15:36:51 GMT
Actually all those great players you mentioned came in the second phase of Waddingtons managerial time. The first 5 years in the 1st divison we finished significantly lower than TP's stoke have and skirted with relegation a fwe times. Its a fact and you should look it up. Once established, Waddington then transformed the club into an attacking exciting team that finished near the top several years in a row and ultimately won the league cup. No-one is denying that and I am not claiming TP is better than TW. All I am saying is that we need patience to transform this team into a top 10 side. Phase 1 is amost complete. The BIG question, can TP achieve phase 2? Who knows, but again I think he really has earned the right to try. It's not a fact though is it? Our first five seasons after promotion in 1963 saw us finish 17th, 11th, 10th, 12th and 18th in a 22 team league in which the bottom two went down and the relegation places were usually decided before the clocks went forward. The only real threat of relegation came in 1968. |
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