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Post by unknown182 on Feb 24, 2013 14:29:56 GMT
Pulis will never leave through his own choice
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Post by jarhead on Feb 24, 2013 14:32:37 GMT
Brilliant post well said.
Sadly thousands feel the same.
I think my days as a season ticket holder are coming to an end along with 3 others after chatting about the dross last night.
It's depressing and for me its more hours on the golf course enjoying something I find really challenging and relaxing.
To me this tripe at this level after spending what we have is a disgrace to sit through week in week out knowing the team sheet the set up the predictable subs and the inevitable dire performance and result.
Binary part 2 folks but with expensive square pegs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 14:45:48 GMT
It's why isnt fit to manage this great club , like us all he is only a temporary custodian of a precious legacy and is now doing it potentially devastating damage .
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 24, 2013 14:53:30 GMT
It always makes me laugh when TPs achievements are compared favourably to waddos , the team waddo built were a match for any team in the top flight and although we had our off days it was always a thrill to watch that marvellous group of players . We oldies are often accused of rose tinted glasses, but one fundamental difference cannot be dismissed. In Waddo's days, we had talented footballers who were allowed to express themselves. You cannot say that about us now. For me that was what got me excited. Now TP has all the resources to do something akin to do that. Fact is, he has neither the ability to do this nor the will.
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Post by kevkj on Feb 24, 2013 14:58:36 GMT
Reading this again,its one of the best pieces i have read on here for a while. Really should be forwarded to the club.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 24, 2013 15:04:56 GMT
It has to kev.
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Post by padders01 on Feb 24, 2013 15:07:16 GMT
Reading this again,its one of the best pieces i have read on here for a while. Really should be forwarded to the club. It's needs to be sent to the sentinel and put on the back page
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Post by tuum on Feb 24, 2013 15:25:36 GMT
Fantastic post. Emotional without hysteria. I wish I could write as well as you. You should post more often.
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 24, 2013 15:30:11 GMT
Seems like there are a lot of us, season ticket holders, long term supporters who feel the same way and it would be a shame if the club or local press did receive the original post with the impression that it was an isolated view. Post them the thread that would be better.
BM
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Post by padders01 on Feb 24, 2013 15:36:53 GMT
BM I have sent a link to this thread to Michael Baddley (Sentinel Reporter), Graham Mcgarry and Matt Sandoz via Twitter this afternoon
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Post by hatchett on Feb 24, 2013 15:38:12 GMT
Pulis will never leave through his own choice Then lets pay him off to leave then. We make the money back through ticket sales going up. He stays and they will plummet.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 24, 2013 16:02:26 GMT
brilliant OP. Great stuff.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 24, 2013 16:11:12 GMT
Completely agree. I've always backed TP and appreciate what he has done for us, but it's clear from the last 18 months that he has no desire to change how we play and is instead to content to grind his way to 40 points every season. Despite all that three year plan bollocks, we are playing football that's even worse than we what we were playing 2 or 3 years ago. We've also assembled a collection of expensive footballers that TP has no clue how to use or that clearly aren't good enough.
I'd be prepared to give him one more season but after that I think Coates needs to have a word about moving him upstairs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 16:13:14 GMT
I have to say i've never heard so many dissenting voices as i did at the game yesterday and it looks to me that the manager would be best calling it a day at the end of the season before it all turns nasty.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 24, 2013 16:19:25 GMT
I hope we can manage his removal without things turning ugly. It would be disappointing to see arguably our most successful manager being hounded out of the club. Although with the way things are heading at the moment, the next 15 months or so could turn out to be very ugly, unless TP pulls off some quality signings this summer. Coates has a very big call to make at the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 16:27:08 GMT
I hope we can manage his removal without things turning ugly. It would be disappointing to see arguably our most successful manager being hounded out of the club. Although with the way things are heading at the moment, the next 15 months or so could turn out to be very ugly, unless TP pulls off some quality signings this summer. Coates has a very big call to make at the end of the season. You expect Pulis to go with dignity, absolutely no chance. Can you remember when he was at Plymouth his comments about Boskamp.One particular gem was "if they hadn't have had Paul Gallaghers goals they would have gone down" Yeah Tone and if England hadn't have had Geoff Hurst we wouldn't have won the World Cup. Rest assured there will be trouble. My gut feeling though is that he's going no-where. This could destabilse the club. Tone will not change, the football will still be crap, people will get more vocal towards Coates....a familliar pattern evolving?????
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Post by padders01 on Feb 24, 2013 16:33:35 GMT
He has never left a club on good terms has he?
Icelanders fell out with him Scally Bristol City wasn't good was it?
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Post by miggo on Feb 24, 2013 16:39:59 GMT
The good news is if we do change the manager, I really do believe the fabled 12th man will return. The Brit will be its electric, hostile, intimidating best again. We will have a new cause to unify behind and the team will need us whilst change takes effect. There is nothing better than that to bring Stokies together. That will take us a long way in protecting against the risk of relegation if we change. And it will give you and us our club back. Unfortunately as mentioned on others post I believe TP'S sole aim, in Coates eyes is to keep us in the PL, we all know how close they are and I don't see this changing any time soon regardless of how the team performs. Even if/when we do get relegated I would not expect TP to get the sack. I fully expect it to turn ugly before the end which would be a huge shame given the success that TP has given us. The question is will the tide turn on him whilst we are sitting in and continue to sit in mid table and if the home performances continue as they are then I give it 4-6 games maybe less, if home games improve we will continue as we have the past 5 years and nothing will change.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 24, 2013 16:45:16 GMT
I hope we can manage his removal without things turning ugly. It would be disappointing to see arguably our most successful manager being hounded out of the club. Although with the way things are heading at the moment, the next 15 months or so could turn out to be very ugly, unless TP pulls off some quality signings this summer. Coates has a very big call to make at the end of the season. You expect Pulis to go with dignity, absolutely no chance. Can you remember when he was at Plymouth his comments about Boskamp.One particular gem was "if they hadn't have had Paul Gallaghers goals they would have gone down" Yeah Tone and if England hadn't have had Geoff Hurst we wouldn't have won the World Cup. Rest assured there will be trouble. My gut feeling though is that he's going no-where. This could destabilse the club. Tone will not change, the football will still be crap, people will get more vocal towards Coates....a familliar pattern evolving????? He is a very stubborn man admittedly. But you'd think he'd have the sense to realise sooner rather than later that he's achieved all he can here? I think the best we can hope for is one more year where Pulis achieves relative success, and then steps aside gracefully. Unfortunately, like you say, the more likely scenario is 2 or 3 more seasons of turgid football and possible relegation, with things turning ugly in the stands.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 16:48:32 GMT
The good news is if we do change the manager, I really do believe the fabled 12th man will return. The Brit will be its electric, hostile, intimidating best again. We will have a new cause to unify behind and the team will need us whilst change takes effect. There is nothing better than that to bring Stokies together. That will take us a long way in protecting against the risk of relegation if we change. And it will give you and us our club back. Unfortunately as mentioned on others post I believe TP'S sole aim, in Coates eyes is to keep us in the PL, we all know how close they are and I don't see this changing any time soon regardless of how the team performs. Even if/when we do get relegated I would not expect TP to get the sack. I fully expect it to turn ugly before the end which would be a huge shame given the success that TP has given us. The question is will the tide turn on him whilst we are sitting in and continue to sit in mid table and if the home performances continue as they are then I give it 4-6 games maybe less, if home games improve we will continue as we have the past 5 years and nothing will change. The most profound thing I've read in all of this and its really got me thinking: There is only one mans opinion that matters and hes firmly pro-Pulis, I think it was shift-fifty on another thread. Now Coates has enjoyed a pretty trouble free ride since fans objected to bringing Tone back, but could this be the start of more stormy waters? PC is as stubborn as Pulis and as fans dissatisfaction grows calls for TP to go will get louder and louder. Coates has always been pretty vocal about these things and it could get nasty. Would his family let him start taking flak again? For me the best scenario would be for TP to go quietly at the end of the season. You just know it ain't going to happen. Worrying times!!!
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Post by Peters Pipe on Feb 24, 2013 17:01:32 GMT
Isn't TP still on a rolling 12 month contract?
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 24, 2013 17:02:42 GMT
If it turns ugly & I fully expect it to before the end of the season, Pulis won't give a shit. He has shown his contempt for supporters numerous times.
Only one man can make the decision & I can't believe he, or his family/business are happy with our current form & reputation.
If they are, then clearly cash is all they care about. Years ago that may have been true but they have enough of it, PC came back to right his previous wrongs & has done so IMO.
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 24, 2013 17:17:02 GMT
It was as bad listening on the radio as it would be live, because from previous experience you could visualise how things were on the pitch and feel the negativity and lack of ambition. Most stokies can only imagine how it felt when a player of the likes of Alan Hudson, Mark Chamberlain or Peter Hoekstra were on the ball and the ripple of expectation runs through the crowd as they wonder what will happen next.
Now its as if there is nothing to support as imagination is squeezed out of the game and sterility replaces improvisation. Where there was once expectation now there is merely acceptance that we we probably wont score, or might score one, but are extremely unlikely to score two. Three is a very unusual occurence. Where is the excitement or sense of involvement going to come from? Fans need to be kept on the hook waiting for the element of surprise or even that magic moment that everyone is talking about on the way home. The best I think I can come up with this season is a piece of defence against Man City, when the crowd held its breath as Shawcross got back to hook the ball off the line.
Where has all the drama gone.
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Post by stackman on Feb 24, 2013 17:19:10 GMT
It's a strange thing but I was thinking this last night, I have totally lost the passion and anticipation of waiting for the weekend to come to watch my beloved team. I'm a southerner that now lives in Stafford but from the age of fifteen was travelling up from Euston with a real buzz to watch MY team. This is the first time in my life that the buzz and excitement has gone and I hate it. I want it back and I'm afraid to say I blame Mr Pulis for his anti football regime. I loved the capped one for what he brought to the club and the City but it has come to an end. He cannot take us further that is for sure. I will always regard him as one of our greatest managers but if he carries on with his tactics he will always be remembered for the bad and not the good. Time for change before its too late
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Post by miggo on Feb 24, 2013 17:21:04 GMT
A question I keep pondering is at what point does TP decide to leave he said earlier in the season that the job isn't done and does not see himself leaving any time soon. Given his stubbornness he won't leave during the rough times and like I said before I don't see Coates sacking him even if we were relegated. So when is the job complete, we've had a cup final and a European tour how much better is it going to be?? The only answer I keep coming back to is to win a trophy. So on that bombshell lets all get behind them on a cup run next season you never know it maybe the best thing to happen for a multitude of reasons
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 24, 2013 17:27:52 GMT
After watching Stoke City more than 1500 times over a 50 year period I now feel as though someone has stolen my priceless possession from me. It has been taken away from me in little pieces, almost without my noticing, but now the full realisation is dawning that its gone. It started off with the away-day experience being taken from me. There are few better experiences as a fan than standing shoulder-to-shoulder with 2,000 other Stokies at the end of a game, saluting the lads for taking 3 points as the home fans slink out in silence. The journey there was full of expectation and the journey home was the analysis of our performance. Under TP I came to realise that the journey there was more dread than anticipation and the drive home was nothing but massive frustration. I will not even mention the team selction and tactics. It has been done to death on this board already. Just to say that I preferred going to Macclesfield, Mansfield, Torquay and Chesterfield than I do going to Anfield or Old Trafford now. But there were always the home games at Fortress Britannia to cling to. I left the Brit with a spring in my step on Boxing Day after we humbled Liverpool. TP had, at last, realised that power and pace up front suited us better than a static Crouch (no offence to Crouch, who is a great player, just never a lone target man). How wrong was I? TP decided that I should no longer look forward to home games as well. Square pegs, favouritism, negativity, pig-headedness are all being thrown at me as if to say "Forget your 50 years of loyal support this club belongs to me now and I will do with it exactly as I wish". So I have lost my away days. I am losing my home days. I have lost my pride in being a Stoke supporter. Perhaps my club was only "loaned" to me for 50 years. It is the turn of of the new younger fans to inherit it now. God knows how but some of them seem to be actually enjoying it. I hope you have as a good a 50 years as I have. Unless TP is just teasing me. Perhaps, just perhaps next Saturday he might say "Its 2 forwards up top. We will try and score more than 1 goal. Walters is having a rest today. Every player is in his right position. If we score first we won't just try to hang on. Here you go Mate. Have your club back! I wonder if that is how Mrs Venky warbled to her other half about Big Sam. Is that what your unfathomable defence of Pulis has now become, March? Scraping the gutter of fear and out of context horse shit? You are a Stoke supporter for goodness sake. Grow a pair!
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Post by richlittle on Feb 24, 2013 17:34:28 GMT
Tony Pulis hasn't ,ripped the heart out of our club,he's raised our expectations.
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Post by markfitdt on Feb 24, 2013 17:37:36 GMT
Tony Pulis hasn't ,ripped the heart out of our club,he's raised our expectations. We only want our players to be able to pass to each other occasionally and also to try to score the odd goal away from home - is that too much to ask?
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Post by werrington on Feb 24, 2013 17:37:55 GMT
Tony Pulis hasn't ,ripped the heart out of our club,he's raised our expectations. He hasnt raised my expectations at all Its the dire, tired, putrid and rancid type of football we play that has people pissed off
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Post by PolPotter on Feb 24, 2013 17:42:03 GMT
After watching Stoke City more than 1500 times over a 50 year period I now feel as though someone has stolen my priceless possession from me. It has been taken away from me in little pieces, almost without my noticing, but now the full realisation is dawning that its gone. Yeah can we have 2nd/3rd division football in front of 12,000 supporters with players like Oldfield, Bamber and Lightbourne and foriegn ownership. Please can we have that back!!
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