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Post by thevoid on Jan 19, 2013 17:16:17 GMT
He was a good player at clubs that can play and pass a football.
He looked a good player when he was first signed and changed the game at Wigan, because Pulis hadn't had time to sap his skill out of him. And shock horror, he played in his natural position, who'd have thought it?
Adam isn't the problem, the current management is. Time for change.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 19, 2013 17:18:29 GMT
I feel we are a weaker team when he plays!  |
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Post by onionman on Jan 19, 2013 17:19:03 GMT
Lay him off for sure. There's a few other people who could be made redundant after today as well.
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Post by Plave on Jan 19, 2013 17:19:39 GMT
He was shit at Rangers, poor at Liverpool, vastly overrated by the MOTD couch due to his hollywood balls and penalty scoring while at Blackpool
I don't know why people expected him to be great for us
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 19, 2013 17:19:54 GMT
He played as a play maker once this season , away at Wigan and totally controlled the game so why not since?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 19, 2013 17:20:04 GMT
Sorry, where he plays does not dictate his woeful tackling ability nor his inability to clear his lines.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Jan 19, 2013 17:21:07 GMT
I feel for Adam. The void bang on.
"Adam isn't the problem, the current management is. Time for change".
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 17:21:37 GMT
He was a good player at clubs that can play and pass a football. He looked a good player when he was first signed and changed the game at Wigan, because Pulis hadn't had time to sap his skill out of him. And shock horror, he played in his natural position, who'd have thought it? Adam isn't the problem, the current management is. Time for change. Can't run Can't tackle Can't head Can't chase back Can't keep his discipline How are you defining good here? |
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Jan 19, 2013 17:21:39 GMT
Adam had a mixed game today and showed the best and worst of his play. The foul that led to their second goal was mindless play - but to focus on that as the reason we lost today would be wrong. Apart from NZonzi, Ethers in patches and Kenwynne when he came on we were poor all over the field and this led to too much pressure on our defence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 17:22:37 GMT
I feel we are a weaker team when he plays! Especially with Crouch in tandem, Walters galloping about on the wing like a startled blinkered cart horse, what a terrible formation, terrible managment time for a change of ideas if not manager, PC needs to manage this situation now. |
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Post by goatbulgaria on Jan 19, 2013 17:22:42 GMT
Hes wank.another pulis panic buy
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Post by stokest5 on Jan 19, 2013 17:24:06 GMT
He played as a play maker once this season , away at Wigan and totally controlled the game so why not since? Totally agree. He's clealy not comfortable nor effective in his current role. Every second he spends on the pitch he looks frustrated. |
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Post by borat on Jan 19, 2013 17:24:58 GMT
I can't have a go at Adam whilst he's playing where he is, we can only judge him where he is supposed to play, fucking midfield.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 19, 2013 17:25:40 GMT
He played as a play maker once this season , away at Wigan and totally controlled the game so why not since? Totally agree. He's clealy not comfortable nor affective in his current role. Every second he spends on the pitch he looks frustrated. This - he has been hung out to dry with the ridiculous tactics |
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Post by redwhite on Jan 19, 2013 17:26:50 GMT
He played well today. Very good first half but gave the foul away. But I guess it's easy to blame him and crouch when things don't work out, rather than blaming the fucker who played him in the wrong position and played crouch in a system that doesn't suit him.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 19, 2013 17:27:15 GMT
He played as a play maker once this season , away at Wigan and totally controlled the game so why not since? I said on here after the Wigan game...give Adam a free reign, don't lock him in the cage, let him express himself. So what happens...he gets shoehorned into a position he's not used to. He ran the show at Wigan and it was the best away performance we've had in the last 12 months. Then Tony sucked that out of him like a vampire. |
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Post by stokieforever on Jan 19, 2013 17:28:10 GMT
Adam is a midfielder who sits in front of the back four and creates, WHY Pulis is trying to shoehorn him into a role behind the striker is beyond me. Drop Whelan and play Adam and Nzonzi
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jan 19, 2013 17:28:16 GMT
He was a good player at clubs that can play and pass a football. He looked a good player when he was first signed and changed the game at Wigan, because Pulis hadn't had time to sap his skill out of him. And shock horror, he played in his natural position, who'd have thought it? Adam isn't the problem, the current management is. Time for change. Can't run Can't tackle Can't head Can't chase back Can't keep his discipline How are you defining good here? This take away his sideways passing Adam would be plying his trade at the Vale, to play in any central midfield in the top flight you to be an all-rounder or very, very, very, very good at 1-2 things Adam is not. People say its TP fault if Adam plays in his natural position we'd have conceded a hell of a lot more then what we currently have. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 19, 2013 17:30:30 GMT
If he played in his natural position, he'd concede too many free kicks. He does so anyway, so the effect would be compounded.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 19, 2013 17:32:41 GMT
Why do we have to play 2 holding midfielders?
N'Zonzi can protect the back 4 allowing Adam to play alongside and create.
Crouch played slightly deeper behind Bent or Owen.
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Post by lordb on Jan 19, 2013 18:14:59 GMT
Adam was poor at Liverpool & hot & cold at Blackpool (ask Blackpool fans)
he has good 1st touch but his passing is inconsistent in the extreme
I'd like to see shoot from outside the box more (well at all)
his tackling is shocking (which is why I want him nowhere near our box)
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Post by wuzza on Jan 19, 2013 18:27:08 GMT
If he had been asked to play in goal instead of Beggo I might have had a bit of sympathy for this 'hung out to dry' business but there is simply no excuse for the garbage he has produced this season ....... but it wouldnt be his first bad season, ask Liverpool (who saw us coming!)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2013 18:27:32 GMT
How anybody who saw the mindless challenge from Charlie Adam this afternoon which led to the free-kick for their second goal, can want to see him play in the cage for us, is completely mind boggling.
He is utterly terrible at tackling, indeed he can't tackle.
There is no place for Charlie Adam in a midfield unless he is one of a midfield three.
Tony Pulis doesn't do midfield three's.
There is only one place he can potentially play in Tony's system and that is in the hole.
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 18:29:32 GMT
How anybody who saw the mindless challenge from Charlie Adam this afternoon which led to the free-kick for their second goal, can want to see him play in the cage for us, is completely mind boggling. He is utterly terrible at tackling, indeed he can't tackle. There is no place for Charlie Adam in a midfield unless he is one of a midfield three. Tony Pulis doesn't do midfield three's. There is only one place he can potentially play in Tony's system and that is in the hole. In some ways, we are playing a midfield 3 with Adam in an advanced free role. Isn't that exactly where his few remaining supporters want him to play? Charlie Adam should never set foot on a football pitch for SCFC again. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2013 18:33:02 GMT
How anybody who saw the mindless challenge from Charlie Adam this afternoon which led to the free-kick for their second goal, can want to see him play in the cage for us, is completely mind boggling. He is utterly terrible at tackling, indeed he can't tackle. There is no place for Charlie Adam in a midfield unless he is one of a midfield three. Tony Pulis doesn't do midfield three's. There is only one place he can potentially play in Tony's system and that is in the hole. In some ways, we are playing a midfield 3 with Adam in an advanced free role. Isn't that exactly where his few remaining supporters want him to play? Charlie Adam should never set foot on a football pitch for SCFC again. Nope we play 4-4-1-1 mate, with two men in the cage, we don't play a midfield three. Of course Adam is completely unsuited to playing in the hole for us too and you are right there is no position for him at Stoke. Another terrible, terrible starstruck signing from Pulis again I'm afraid. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 19, 2013 18:52:36 GMT
He was a good player at clubs that can play and pass a football. He looked a good player when he was first signed and changed the game at Wigan, because Pulis hadn't had time to sap his skill out of him. And shock horror, he played in his natural position, who'd have thought it? Adam isn't the problem, the current management is. Time for change. Can't run Can't tackle Can't head Can't chase back Can't keep his discipline How are you defining good here? A pretty fair summation of Charlie Adam's performances in a Stoke shirt. I always try to find an opportunity to agree with you march, and this is today's open goal. |
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Post by stoneroses on Jan 19, 2013 18:57:54 GMT
will only work if in a 4-42 system with n'zonzi
playing as a withdrawn striker is a piss take on him and a piss take on pulis judgement in putting him there.
I think our team of 2/3 years ago would beat this current team even though now we have undeniably better players.
It horses for courses and our current set do not suit a 4-5-1, but its pissing me off because is so f'n simple:
Bego
Cameron Huth Shawcross Wilson(when fit)
Kightly n'zonzi Adam Shea (etherington past it imo and i would sell him now!)
Jerome Jones
Get it wide and get it in the pissing box and play with a high tempo instead of sitting back soaking up pressure for 40 mins then conceding sloppy goals... we are so much better when we take it to teams.
Stop pissing about and sort it Pulis!
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 19, 2013 18:58:27 GMT
How anybody who saw the mindless challenge from Charlie Adam this afternoon which led to the free-kick for their second goal, can want to see him play in the cage for us, is completely mind boggling. He is utterly terrible at tackling, indeed he can't tackle. There is no place for Charlie Adam in a midfield unless he is one of a midfield three. Tony Pulis doesn't do midfield three's. There is only one place he can potentially play in Tony's system and that is in the hole. You are dead right. I could see a strange logic to Adam signing. We all know from Adam's time at Blackpool and Liverpool exactly what his strengths and weaknesses are. He's a creative player with an eye for a spectacular pass and he can score goals, but he's slow, incapable of tackling, has poor concentration levels and makes plenty of mistakes in possession. He's good for about twenty minutes per match. Blackpool got the best out of him by having him in an almost free advanced role with two holding midfielders making up for his lapses. Our set up with two deep midfielders and an advanced Adam is not unlike this. However, to be any use in that role he needs the two wide players to be more forwards than midfielders and a bit of pace and movement up front. We have nothing of the sort. As it stands, Adam is useless in our side. His many flaws have been accentuated while his skills have remained hidden. An interesting experiment, but a failed one. Wd had a go, time to cut our losses, get rid and get to what we do best. Does Adam deserve the criticism he gets? Well, does any player who frequently holds a place in a side despite plainly being not good enough? They still get it in the neck, though. The manager should be criticised for bringing him into the club in the first place and sticking with him, instead of jettisoning him as he has with Kightly. |
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 19:00:04 GMT
will only work if in a 4-42 system with n'zonzi playing as a withdrawn striker is a piss take on him and a piss take on pulis judgement in putting him there. I think our team of 2/3 years ago would beat this current team even though now we have undeniably better players. It horses for courses and our current set do not suit a 4-5-1, but its pissing me off because is so f'n simple: Bego Cameron Huth Shawcross Wilson(when fit) Kightly n'zonzi Adam Shea (etherington past it imo and i would sell him now!) Jerome Jones Get it wide and get it in the pissing box and play with a high tempo instead of sitting back soaking up pressure for 40 mins then conceding sloppy goals... we are so much better when we take it to teams. Stop pissing about and sort it Pulis! Our team from Boxing Day would have wiped the floor with today's starting 11. |
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Jan 19, 2013 19:00:53 GMT
Out of position Play 442 with real wingers adam with nzonzi in mid bet anybody he would shine
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