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Post by kingstokie on Jan 19, 2013 19:06:56 GMT
will only work if in a 4-42 system with n'zonzi playing as a withdrawn striker is a piss take on him and a piss take on pulis judgement in putting him there. I think our team of 2/3 years ago would beat this current team even though now we have undeniably better players. It horses for courses and our current set do not suit a 4-5-1, but its pissing me off because is so f'n simple: Bego Cameron Huth Shawcross Wilson(when fit) Kightly n'zonzi Adam Shea (etherington past it imo and i would sell him now!) Jerome Jones Get it wide and get it in the pissing box and play with a high tempo instead of sitting back soaking up pressure for 40 mins then conceding sloppy goals... we are so much better when we take it to teams. Stop pissing about and sort it Pulis! ;D ;D On topic though, I don't see why he can't have a chance where his natural position is. Useless where he is being played at the moment.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jan 19, 2013 19:08:45 GMT
He's shit.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 19, 2013 19:12:38 GMT
Out of position Play 442 with real wingers adam with nzonzi in mid bet anybody he would shine No team in history has been able to defend free kicks well enough to risk Charlie Adam in a midfield 2.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 19, 2013 19:17:40 GMT
I think Charlie has had a fair chance to prove himself, but until we play 4-4-2 with him in the middle, we'll never know if he's up to the job.
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Post by landofhopeandglory on Jan 19, 2013 19:17:44 GMT
the void and hackett you are both spot on, march4 i dont want adam in a advanced role, i want whelan out and adam in , taking the ball off the defence and linking up the rest of the team with either short or longer passes, which is adam strengh and whelan cant do
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 19, 2013 19:19:59 GMT
the void and hackett you are both spot on, march4 i dont want adam in a advanced role, i want whelan out and adam in , taking the ball off the defence and linking up the rest of the team with either short or longer passes, which is adam strengh and whelan cant do I feel the same way. He's wank up nearer the forwards, is drop Whelan put nzonzi behind Adam in 442.. seems only logical.. ???
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 19, 2013 19:20:00 GMT
Guaranteed to be the first sub everytime
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2013 19:21:17 GMT
90% of Charlie Adam's tackles result in fouls.
This is a fact and is the reason why he could not play in a midfield two.
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 19:22:01 GMT
the void and hackett you are both spot on, march4 i dont want adam in a advanced role, i want whelan out and adam in , taking the ball off the defence and linking up the rest of the team with either short or longer passes, which is adam strengh and whelan cant do Adam has never done anything like that at any of his clubs. His best form came at Blackpool where he was allowed to do what he wanted while everyone else covered for him. The result - relegation. SCFC need to get rid now, tonight! TP should be on the phone to every Championship manager offering Adam on loan with a view to a permanent signing.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 19, 2013 19:22:30 GMT
Where exactly is his natural position? Central midfield? With his fitness, passing and tackling?
Behind our two central midfielders? The idea that Adam could sit deep and spray passes around is an absurd myth.
There is nowhere he can play in our team or any other team but in front of two central midfielders.
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Post by alexk on Jan 19, 2013 19:24:45 GMT
He is shit. I'm sick of all this 'he's out of position' shite. He's shown nothing. Utter, utter dung.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 19, 2013 19:26:54 GMT
Where exactly is his natural position? Central midfield? With his fitness, passing and tackling? Behind our two central midfielders? The idea that Adam could sit deep and spray passes around is an absurd myth. There is nowhere he can play in our team or any other team but in front of two central midfielders. Exactly. So why the f*** was he bought? Truly absurd purchase - as it always shaped up to be. I'd be in favour of getting rid in the next fortnight - but, sadly, I think he's played for Liverpool and Stoke this season, so can't move on in Jan?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 19, 2013 19:32:55 GMT
Where exactly is his natural position? Central midfield? With his fitness, passing and tackling? Behind our two central midfielders? The idea that Adam could sit deep and spray passes around is an absurd myth. There is nowhere he can play in our team or any other team but in front of two central midfielders. Exactly. So why the f*** was he bought? Truly absurd purchase - as it always shaped up to be. I'd be in favour of getting rid in the next fortnight - but, sadly, I think he's played for Liverpool and Stoke this season, so can't move on in Jan? Did he get a game for Liverpool? I didn't think he played after crippling Bale in America. As I said earlier, I could potentially see a vague logic in it, but it's time to get back to what we do best.
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 19:33:47 GMT
Where exactly is his natural position? Central midfield? With his fitness, passing and tackling? Behind our two central midfielders? The idea that Adam could sit deep and spray passes around is an absurd myth. There is nowhere he can play in our team or any other team but in front of two central midfielders. Exactly. So why the f*** was he bought? Truly absurd purchase - as it always shaped up to be. I'd be in favour of getting rid in the next fortnight - but, sadly, I think he's played for Liverpool and Stoke this season, so can't move on in Jan? I'd still get rid, mate. Anywhere other than at SCFC would be my philosophy. Can he play for Rangers this season??
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 19, 2013 19:34:53 GMT
Sadly, looks like he played against Hearts in the Europa League - so he can't be moved on 'til the summer
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 19, 2013 19:38:37 GMT
Exactly. So why the f*** was he bought? Truly absurd purchase - as it always shaped up to be. I'd be in favour of getting rid in the next fortnight - but, sadly, I think he's played for Liverpool and Stoke this season, so can't move on in Jan? I'd still get rid, mate. Anywhere other than at SCFC would be my philosophy. Can he play for Rangers this season?? hereisthecity.com/2013/01/02/mn-the-simple-reason-why-manchester-city-misfit-scott-sinclair-w/Apparently his only options would be MLS, South America and a couple of places in Scandinavia. If there was one player I'd love to see move on, it's him. I don't think TP has the balls to exile him and it's going to cause us untold problems.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 19, 2013 19:39:22 GMT
You can play him in some sort of 4 - 5 - 1 or 4 - 3 - 3. Or the formation we had against Wigan at the start of the season?
The only problem with all of these is that Peter Crouch cannot fit into any of them.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Jan 19, 2013 19:41:52 GMT
He is shit. I'm sick of all this 'he's out of position' shite. He's shown nothing. Utter, utter dung. Exactly right, he dropped deep today and was still woefully off the pace. Fat and wank. Unfit, undisciplined pile of shite. Cant pass, tackle or run. If he was any good he would be ripping up any position he plays in. Hes fucking wank lads. Fucking waste of time.
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Post by herkbloke on Jan 19, 2013 19:42:14 GMT
I posted something on a similar thread but here's my thoughts.Adam did play well for blackpool in that same posistion. Did he play well because he was a relative unknown quantity or well because he was screened by a very capable Vaughan (who we should have gone for imo)? Our biggest problem, again imo, is lack of pace, strength and general footy nous on the pitch. We rely on counter attack/ set piece play, both home and away. To have no players whatsover who can exploit this, is for me, the scandal of our transfer policy. Not one player seems to have any of these qualities, never mind all 3. FWIW, 4-4-1-1 with Walters behind Jones and N'Zonzi given more 'freedom' to move forward. Adam and Crouch? I'll join March in the car to Palace! I accept Paul's point that he played best in a midfield 3 as something of a deep lying playmaker but bloody hell, he must have something about him? if not then wtf is he doing here?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 19, 2013 19:42:41 GMT
He won't exile him because he thinks Adam is a key player!
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 20, 2013 4:17:08 GMT
He,s is shite and he has been given more chances than anyone and don,t give me this out of position stuff, it still gives him a opportunity to shine and he can,t\hasnot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 7:13:36 GMT
He won't exile him because he thinks Adam is a key player! Does Our Tone think that, though? OR, does he think Kites is so poor that it is the better of two evils to play SUPER Jon out of position (for kites) and then play Charlie (or Jerome) in the hole (where SUPER Jon excels)? I can't come up with a better reason for the continued - and horribly failed - experiment. Game 3 of Charlie's career with us (in the hole), Our Tone was on the radio moaning that Charlie's problem was "he wasn't playing with Crouchy". 12+ weeks on and that is still Charlie's problem. He can't/won't play like an inside forward and our system requires an inside forward (not an advanced midfielder, a slightly withdrawn attacker ... there's a massive difference) And it doesn't matter whether it's Crouchy or Kenny he's (not) playing with - He can't do the required whichever it is. For me, the lesser of two evils is to persist with Kites. Better to have the weakness outside, in a less critical position, than in one of the key, "spine" positions of our system. And yeah, Pennant back would be even better, but that's never going to happen ... Shotts instead of Kites if you/Our Tone must ... But get SUPER Jon back to his best position in our spine and pick whichever "winger" you want to assist his full back - And yeah, we need new ones of them too ...
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Post by landofhopeandglory on Jan 20, 2013 8:33:45 GMT
he's still better than f-cking whelan & whitehead
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2013 8:45:29 GMT
Rangers could play and pass in their league and Adam was toss for them.
Liverpool can play and can pass but he was absolutely shit for them.
He had a golden spell at Blackpool and he is living off that. He is unfit, full of self-importance, plays for himself and the truth is that he isn't actually very good.
He shows absolutely no glimpse of being a good player whatsoever, not even 1 glimpse. He's crap and the sooner he is gone, along with several others, the better.
We need a massive clear out but I wouldn't trust TP to complete the clear out properly.
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Post by Davef on Jan 20, 2013 9:31:13 GMT
If anyone watched the Being: Liverpool documentary, you'll have seen a brief part where the Liverpool chief executive, Ian Ayre, is discussing Adam's move to Stoke.
I got the distinct impression from watching that that Stoke's move for Adam was very much a last minute one that surprised even Liverpool.
Watching Adam start virtually every game for us now despite his poor form also leads me to believe that Pulis is either under pressure to play him and justify being given another large transfer fee by the Family, or he realises he's made another monumental balls up in the transfer market and his own ego is dictating that he has to start him.
Whatever the case, this all comes back to the manager. If he's going to fritter away several million pounds on a player as bad a some of you think he is, then there's nobody else to blame.
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Post by lordflashheart on Jan 20, 2013 9:34:21 GMT
Adam is awful. He offers absolutely nothing. The same is true of Kightly. £6m for these pair of lemons.
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Post by howedy on Jan 20, 2013 12:16:05 GMT
Really don't think that he was the worst player yesterday. Etherington was so fucking wasteful is was painful
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 20, 2013 12:40:34 GMT
Rangers could play and pass in their league and Adam was toss for them. Liverpool can play and can pass but he was absolutely shit for them. He had a golden spell at Blackpool and he is living off that. He is unfit, full of self-importance, plays for himself and the truth is that he isn't actually very good. He shows absolutely no glimpse of being a good player whatsoever, not even 1 glimpse. He's crap and the sooner he is gone, along with several others, the better. We need a massive clear out but I wouldn't trust TP to complete the clear out properly. In post after post johnno you manage to pretty much express my own views on Charlie Adam. I keep hoping he will prove you and me wrong. It doesn't look likely though. Can anyone really see Charlie Adam getting a game at any other Premier League team?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2013 12:48:57 GMT
He won't exile him because he thinks Adam is a key player! Does Our Tone think that, though? OR, does he think Kites is so poor that it is the better of two evils to play SUPER Jon out of position (for kites) and then play Charlie (or Jerome) in the hole (where SUPER Jon excels)? I can't come up with a better reason for the continued - and horribly failed - experiment. Game 3 of Charlie's career with us (in the hole), Our Tone was on the radio moaning that Charlie's problem was "he wasn't playing with Crouchy". 12+ weeks on and that is still Charlie's problem. He can't/won't play like an inside forward and our system requires an inside forward (not an advanced midfielder, a slightly withdrawn attacker ... there's a massive difference) And it doesn't matter whether it's Crouchy or Kenny he's (not) playing with - He can't do the required whichever it is. For me, the lesser of two evils is to persist with Kites. Better to have the weakness outside, in a less critical position, than in one of the key, "spine" positions of our system. And yeah, Pennant back would be even better, but that's never going to happen ... Shotts instead of Kites if you/Our Tone must ... But get SUPER Jon back to his best position in our spine and pick whichever "winger" you want to assist his full back - And yeah, we need new ones of them too ... Nah MD's right Andy. Otherwise Adam wouldn't have been playing in the hole when Kightly was playing would he? Adam has to play and Walters has to play, so Adam plays in the hole and Walters plays on the wing (be it the right or the left).
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2013 12:50:58 GMT
Charlie was involved in our only moment of class yesterday. He has something to offer and regardless of tackling I don't think he could possibly be worse than Whelan has lately in a midfield two.
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