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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 7, 2013 0:33:34 GMT
Tone is not going to start him regularly, so far better to get our money back on Jerome and look for others who he may trust more with a starting spot. We do need pace up front so our one truly fast striker going behoves Tone to replace him with another pacey option. I hope he has his eye on someone. I'd love it to be Zaha.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 7, 2013 0:34:41 GMT
Tone is not going to start him regularly, so far better to get our money back on Jerome and look for others who he may trust more with a starting spot. We do need pace up front so our one truly fast striker going behoves Tone to replace him with another pacey option. I hope he has his eye on someone. I'd love it to be Zaha. I imagine we're a year or two late for that one.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 7, 2013 0:38:12 GMT
Tone is not going to start him regularly, so far better to get our money back on Jerome and look for others who he may trust more with a starting spot. We do need pace up front so our one truly fast striker going behoves Tone to replace him with another pacey option. I hope he has his eye on someone. I'd love it to be Zaha. I imagine we're a year or two late for that one. I fear you are right.......N'Zogbia, Philips or Redmond then.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 7, 2013 0:41:20 GMT
I imagine we're a year or two late for that one. I fear you are right.......N'Zogbia, Philips or Redmond then. N'Zogbia is a possibility i'd be happy with. Much more likely to see TP go for a quality player who has lost his way rather than an untried and untested 'kiddie'. I wanted Tom Ince 18 months ago but that ship has sailed too now.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 7, 2013 0:45:27 GMT
I fear you are right.......N'Zogbia, Philips or Redmond then. N'Zogbia is a possibility i'd be happy with. Much more likely to see TP go for a quality player who has lost his way rather than an untried and untested 'kiddie'. I wanted Tom Ince 18 months ago but that ship has sailed too now. Philips has lost his way after being the "next big thing" on Blackpool's promotion and may be a cheaper option now than then, although if Ince goes then they may want to keep him for now. Redmond could be the best of the lot, but as you say he is a baby by Tone's standards, only fit for loaning to the lower leagues. I can see Charlie Insomnia being a classic Pulis' Dogs' Home candidate.
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Post by padders01 on Jan 7, 2013 0:46:11 GMT
I fear you are right.......N'Zogbia, Philips or Redmond then. N'Zogbia is a possibility i'd be happy with. Much more likely to see TP go for a quality player who has lost his way rather than an untried and untested 'kiddie'. I wanted Tom Ince 18 months ago but that ship has sailed too now. Wouldn't it be great to see the manager to a gamble on a kid like that. Couple million quid, stick him in (especially a tricky pacy winger) and see if it works. Someone who is exciting to watch. Can get you off the edge of your seat.
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Post by sage on Jan 7, 2013 4:45:48 GMT
N'Zogbia is a possibility i'd be happy with. Much more likely to see TP go for a quality player who has lost his way rather than an untried and untested 'kiddie'. I wanted Tom Ince 18 months ago but that ship has sailed too now. Wouldn't it be great to see the manager to a gamble on a kid like that. Couple million quid, stick him in (especially a tricky pacy winger) and see if it works. Someone who is exciting to watch. Can get you off the edge of your seat. Would be good, TP'd have to have a total tactical and/or personality transplant first though...
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Post by stokeyouth on Jan 7, 2013 5:02:08 GMT
Just come on and saw a 5 page thread!
Thought it was a done deal! Would hate to see him leave but seems like most pages are people arguing about him ;D
If we sold him I think something like 4m + 1m if they go up and +1m when he scores 10/20 goals would be good
Will probs just be 4m though
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Post by foster on Jan 7, 2013 8:24:33 GMT
Just come on and saw a 5 page thread! Thought it was a done deal! Would hate to see him leave but seems like most pages are people arguing about him ;D If we sold him I think something like 4m + 1m if they go up and +1m when he scores 10/20 goals would be good Will probs just be 4m though More likely a 1+1+1 over 3 years, plus an additional 1m if they get promoted. Reckon this could fund a move for Lampards wages, should he leave on a free this month.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 7, 2013 8:58:06 GMT
I think Jerome has done really well since he came here. He almost always makes an impact when he comes on and his scoring record/ability to change a game is excellent. He is absolutely brilliant to have on the bench and can provide much needed pace to our attack at vital points of games.
THAT is the problem though. If he isn't content with that role at the club then there is little we can do to pacify him. I'm certain that Pulis wants to keep him and to use him as described above (in which case he would be a massive plus for us). If he wants regular first team football then he will probably have to move and the club might HAVE to agree to that.
It's sad because the fella's done a great job and is a real asset to the club from the bench. However, if he wants to go then the only sensible course of action is to do the best deal we can for both him and the club, sadly.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2013 9:49:18 GMT
If Jerome isn't happy on the bench then I guess should a deal be on the table for him, we will take the money and he will run.
If we replace him, then that is absolutely fine by me. He has done well, goals wise, from limited chances and is our only pace from the bench, but deep down, I can't help but think that he is pretty damn crap.
I wouldn't, however, let him go, without having a replacement very much nailed on as if a game is drifting, I would want him coming on rather than anyone else we have in our ranks.
As for Zaha, the very sad thing with him is that we could have taken him 18 months ago when Palace were in dire straits. I have a very good friend who is a Palace fan (daughter of their club president) and we watched Zaha more than any other club. Someone from Stoke watched him every week for the best part of 3 months a little while ago.
As always, we dallied, couldn't make our minds up and I am now reading about what a good player TP thinks Zaha is. Why he couldn't have seen that potential 18 months ago and snapped him up based on that potential, god only knows.
Its a shame. I was impressed with Zaha on Saturday. If it weren't for our centre halves covering our exposed full-backs on Saturday, he would have caused us more problems than he did. Fortunately for us, Huth and Shawcross are an exceptionally good partnership.
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Post by werrington on Jan 7, 2013 9:59:39 GMT
The problem there being is that TP is not " a chancer " and wont take a gamble on a player in the lower reaches of the Championship....as they were back then
Before anybody throws Walters up we know why TP bought him as he is more of a TP player than a Zaha.
There is not a cat in hells chance we would buy a raw young talent and put him in the squad let alone the team
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 10:04:53 GMT
The problem there being is that TP is not " a chancer " and wont take a gamble on a player in the lower reaches of the Championship....as they were back then Before anybody throws Walters up we know why TP bought him as he is more of a TP player than a Zaha. There is not a cat in hells chance we would buy a raw young talent and put him in the squad let alone the team Also, it does seem that we're not that great in the developing talent stakes. How many players really improve here? Shawcross certainly has but who else? Everything is based around shape, which presumably is why TP prefers buying the finished article.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2013 10:05:17 GMT
You're right Werrington obviously but he is a "chancer" when it comes to more established players with a tarnished reputation, be that through injury or something else.
Zaha will definitely go down as one we missed out on and one we could have picked up quite easily had we got a management team with a little more "foresight".
I will watch with interest the progress of Will Hughes at Derby. Our lack of interest in him 12 months ago caused ructions internally with ramifications that have been seen most recently with the internal changes that have been made to the management structure/team!
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Post by werrington on Jan 7, 2013 10:07:39 GMT
You're right Werrington obviously but he is a "chancer" when it comes to more established players with a tarnished reputation, be that through injury or something else. Zaha will definitely go down as one we missed out on and one we could have picked up quite easily had we got a management team with a little more "foresight". I will watch with interest the progress of Will Hughes at Derby. Our lack of interest in him 12 months ago caused ructions internally with ramifications that have been seen most recently with the internal changes that have been made to the management structure/team! Bang on Dave and i reckon £4m would of got him 2 years ago
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Post by werrington on Jan 7, 2013 10:12:06 GMT
The problem there being is that TP is not " a chancer " and wont take a gamble on a player in the lower reaches of the Championship....as they were back then Before anybody throws Walters up we know why TP bought him as he is more of a TP player than a Zaha. There is not a cat in hells chance we would buy a raw young talent and put him in the squad let alone the team Also, it does seem that we're not that great in the developing talent stakes. How many players really improve here? Shawcross certainly has but who else? Everything is based around shape, which presumably is why TP prefers buying the finished article. Again Rob you are also correct mate. Zaha is more of a maverick and will just burst into life and would not track etc in a Pulis team......he potentially could of been moulded into a Fuller type but its all ifs and maybes now as he is out of our range? Incidently who in all honesty is he gonna get in the team for out of the major clubs? Arsenal are one who would use him but they have Chamberlain and Walcott
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2013 10:13:56 GMT
Probably even less than that Werrington.
2m + add ons and a 25% sell on clause would have seen the deal done.
It's sad but stumbling across a hidden gem that will transform our team is what we need if we really are to begin punching above our weight and enjoying a season like Newcastle had last year.
As it is, our search for tried and trusted will be the way forward for our club whilst TP is at the helm. For me, that is all well and good but our success rate with this policy needs to be better than it has been for the last 2 summers.
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Post by werrington on Jan 7, 2013 10:17:51 GMT
Probably even less than that Werrington. 2m + add ons and a 25% sell on clause would have seen the deal done. It's sad but stumbling across a hidden gem that will transform our team is what we need if we really are to begin punching above our weight and enjoying a season like Newcastle had last year. As it is, our search for tried and trusted will be the way forward for our club whilst TP is at the helm. For me, that is all well and good but our success rate with this policy needs to be better than it has been for the last 2 summers. Palace were in big trouble financially back then Dave and were battling relegation at one stage so they would of cashed in on Zaha thats for sure. Pulis likes his "steady eddies" and not players who can turn a game. Like you say " tried and tested " .....but by the time we get them they have no resale value
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 7, 2013 13:57:01 GMT
Redmond at Brum may be similar to Zaha a year or more ago in terms of his team's position and the ability to do a value for money deal now. I like him a lot, but would Tone take a chance on a "kiddie" like that? Probably not.
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Post by geoffscott on Jan 7, 2013 14:11:51 GMT
Redmond at Brum may be similar to Zaha a year or more ago in terms of his team's position and the ability to do a value for money deal now. I like him a lot, but would Tone take a chance on a "kiddie" like that? Probably not. If Tony Pulis had taken a gamble on Zaha 18months / 2 years ago and signed him, the gamble would have stopped there. Even if signed, there is no way Zaha would have been given the opportunity of starting games regularly at Stoke, he wouldn't have had the chance to develop as a player and he wouldn't be the player he is today. So I think the argument is null and void, we are never going to see players of Zaha's potential playing regularly in a Stoke shirt, at least until they have played at the top level for somebody else; then Pulis will gladly spend the mega millions needed to get his man.
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Post by werrington on Jan 7, 2013 14:15:45 GMT
Redmond at Brum may be similar to Zaha a year or more ago in terms of his team's position and the ability to do a value for money deal now. I like him a lot, but would Tone take a chance on a "kiddie" like that? Probably not. If Tony Pulis had taken a gamble on Zaha 18months / 2 years ago and signed him, the gamble would have stopped there. Even if signed, there is no way Zaha would have been given the opportunity of starting games regularly at Stoke, he wouldn't have had the chance to develop as a player and he wouldn't be the player he is today. So I think the argument is null and void, we are never going to see players of Zaha's potential playing regularly in a Stoke shirt, at least until they have played at the top level for somebody else; then Pulis will gladly spend the mega millions needed to get his man. That in a nutshell is that We all know when we sign players of that experience there is not a cat in hells chance of them being around the team. Jamie Ness is another
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Post by aixpotter on Jan 7, 2013 20:39:23 GMT
Probably even less than that Werrington. 2m + add ons and a 25% sell on clause would have seen the deal done. It's sad but stumbling across a hidden gem that will transform our team is what we need if we really are to begin punching above our weight and enjoying a season like Newcastle had last year. As it is, our search for tried and trusted will be the way forward for our club whilst TP is at the helm. For me, that is all well and good but our success rate with this policy needs to be better than it has been for the last 2 summers. Palace were in big trouble financially back then Dave and were battling relegation at one stage so they would of cashed in on Zaha thats for sure.Pulis likes his "steady eddies" and not players who can turn a game. Like you say " tried and tested " .....but by the time we get them they have no resale value I think you might be surprised if you knew what really happened with Zaha.
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Post by knype on Jan 7, 2013 20:41:57 GMT
Palace were in big trouble financially back then Dave and were battling relegation at one stage so they would of cashed in on Zaha thats for sure.Pulis likes his "steady eddies" and not players who can turn a game. Like you say " tried and tested " .....but by the time we get them they have no resale value I think you might be surprised if you knew what really happened with Zaha.aix, the platform is yours....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:42:45 GMT
Palace were in big trouble financially back then Dave and were battling relegation at one stage so they would of cashed in on Zaha thats for sure.Pulis likes his "steady eddies" and not players who can turn a game. Like you say " tried and tested " .....but by the time we get them they have no resale value I think you might be surprised if you knew what really happened with Zaha.Go on..
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Post by aixpotter on Jan 7, 2013 20:45:18 GMT
I think you might be surprised if you knew what really happened with Zaha. aix, the platform is yours.... What time's the train? Oops, missed it! ;D
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Jan 7, 2013 20:45:50 GMT
Ness edu Adam crouch Owen pennant kightly upson delap shotton 10 who should be off loaded before jerome Pity we can't offload posters Like it, who shall we start with and who'd be stupid enough to take them?
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Post by knype on Jan 7, 2013 20:50:49 GMT
aix, the platform is yours.... What time's the train? Oops, missed it! ;DHa ha, come on share your info with your fellow Stokies.....You heard anything about incoming this time?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 7, 2013 20:54:28 GMT
Probably even less than that Werrington. 2m + add ons and a 25% sell on clause would have seen the deal done. It's sad but stumbling across a hidden gem that will transform our team is what we need if we really are to begin punching above our weight and enjoying a season like Newcastle had last year. As it is, our search for tried and trusted will be the way forward for our club whilst TP is at the helm. For me, that is all well and good but our success rate with this policy needs to be better than it has been for the last 2 summers. Palace were in big trouble financially back then Dave and were battling relegation at one stage so they would of cashed in on Zaha thats for sure. Pulis likes his "steady eddies" and not players who can turn a game. Like you say " tried and tested " .....but by the time we get them they have no resale value Just out of interest lads, why has no other club snapped him up yet? Could it have been he was holding out for a big club? What's to say we haven't tried to entice him to the sunny Brit with promises of 10th place finishes and the occasional cup run?
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Post by aixpotter on Jan 7, 2013 20:59:49 GMT
What time's the train? Oops, missed it! ;DHa ha, come on share your info with your fellow Stokies.....You heard anything about incoming this time? Sometimes too many on here underestimate what actually goes on at our club. Now I know that not everything is perfect (I go to the away matches you know ) but it's not all doom and gloom either.
All I keep hearing is that some have to be gone before others can arrive.
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 7, 2013 21:09:37 GMT
Can't be arsed to trawl 6 pages after my first day back at work, with a chest infection and 4 weeks off for surgery, i'm knackered....did he go to Cardiff for £4 million?
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