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Post by bobbystokie on Nov 12, 2012 22:44:54 GMT
Did Crouch get 15 goals last season?Has he got 5 already this season?Or did I miss something?Him as a player and him 'in our system' is the very least of our worries.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 13, 2012 1:37:34 GMT
Did Crouch get 15 goals last season?Has he got 5 already this season?Or did I miss something?Him as a player and him 'in our system' is the very least of our worries. Did we have a higher finish in the league?
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 13, 2012 1:53:25 GMT
Did Crouch get 15 goals last season?Has he got 5 already this season?Or did I miss something?Him as a player and him 'in our system' is the very least of our worries. Did we have a higher finish in the league? Did the team score less than it had ever done in the Premiership?
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Post by bobbystokie on Nov 13, 2012 8:04:09 GMT
Did we have a higher finish in the league? Did the team score less than it had ever done in the Premiership? Yes .And that was all down to Crouch wasnt it?Dear oh dear.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Nov 13, 2012 9:04:53 GMT
I love the way this 'Crouch cant play in our system' has now become FACT because all its advocates seize their chance to spout off about it because he hasnt scored for a few games. I look forward to them going back into their holes as they always do when he starts scoring again. To be honest mate, my opinion isn’t “Crouch doesn’t fit into our system”; it’s more “no one forward will fit”. Hand on heart, I believe KJ would have been equally ineffective on Saturday. The vast chasm between Crouch and the nearest Stoke player at times was embarrassing. It was supposed to be a home match after all, against a team near the bottom of the league, without a win to date. I’m not saying it never happens but we hardly ever see 4, 5 or 6 players all up in the final third of the pitch, all involved in an attack, putting the opposition on the back foot. Too often we ping it long to an isolated Crouch, it doesn’t stick and it puts the pressure back on us again. If things don’t change then it won’t matter who plays as that one up front; we’ll struggle to score goals.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Nov 13, 2012 13:33:14 GMT
I love the way this 'Crouch cant play in our system' has now become FACT because all its advocates seize their chance to spout off about it because he hasnt scored for a few games. I look forward to them going back into their holes as they always do when he starts scoring again. To be honest mate, my opinion isn’t “Crouch doesn’t fit into our system”; it’s more “no one forward will fit”. Hand on heart, I believe KJ would have been equally ineffective on Saturday. The vast chasm between Crouch and the nearest Stoke player at times was embarrassing. It was supposed to be a home match after all, against a team near the bottom of the league, without a win to date. I’m not saying it never happens but we hardly ever see 4, 5 or 6 players all up in the final third of the pitch, all involved in an attack, putting the opposition on the back foot. Too often we ping it long to an isolated Crouch, it doesn’t stick and it puts the pressure back on us again. If things don’t change then it won’t matter who plays as that one up front; we’ll struggle to score goals. That's exactly the trouble, we make it so easy for the opposition by bypassing our upgraded midfield with hopeful punts forward to an isolated target man and giving possession away very cheaply.
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Post by bobbystokie on Nov 13, 2012 19:04:44 GMT
So do we or should we drop crouchy for the good of the team?..... Great idea! And the goals come from errrrr.
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Post by bobbystokie on Nov 13, 2012 19:05:36 GMT
I love the way this 'Crouch cant play in our system' has now become FACT because all its advocates seize their chance to spout off about it because he hasnt scored for a few games. I look forward to them going back into their holes as they always do when he starts scoring again. To be honest mate, my opinion isn’t “Crouch doesn’t fit into our system”; it’s more “no one forward will fit”. Hand on heart, I believe KJ would have been equally ineffective on Saturday. The vast chasm between Crouch and the nearest Stoke player at times was embarrassing. It was supposed to be a home match after all, against a team near the bottom of the league, without a win to date. I’m not saying it never happens but we hardly ever see 4, 5 or 6 players all up in the final third of the pitch, all involved in an attack, putting the opposition on the back foot. Too often we ping it long to an isolated Crouch, it doesn’t stick and it puts the pressure back on us again. If things don’t change then it won’t matter who plays as that one up front; we’ll struggle to score goals. Bang on.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 13, 2012 21:38:46 GMT
Did the team score less than it had ever done in the Premiership? No, but helped towards it. Yes .And that was all down to Crouch wasnt it?Dear oh dear.
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Post by Bagwash on Nov 14, 2012 17:39:32 GMT
I love the way this 'Crouch cant play in our system' has now become FACT because all its advocates seize their chance to spout off about it because he hasnt scored for a few games. I look forward to them going back into their holes as they always do when he starts scoring again. To be honest mate, my opinion isn’t “Crouch doesn’t fit into our system”; it’s more “no one forward will fit”. Hand on heart, I believe KJ would have been equally ineffective on Saturday. The vast chasm between Crouch and the nearest Stoke player at times was embarrassing. It was supposed to be a home match after all, against a team near the bottom of the league, without a win to date. I’m not saying it never happens but we hardly ever see 4, 5 or 6 players all up in the final third of the pitch, all involved in an attack, putting the opposition on the back foot. Too often we ping it long to an isolated Crouch, it doesn’t stick and it puts the pressure back on us again. If things don’t change then it won’t matter who plays as that one up front; we’ll struggle to score goals. Said similar to above to my mate on Saturday.Watch almost any Premier league game and when teams are attacking and they have possession near the penalty area the player with the ball seems to have 4 or 5 options open to him.(even the so called smaller teams) As you have stated we are unable to pressure teams in their half due to lack of numbers in advanced positions.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Nov 14, 2012 18:00:53 GMT
To be honest mate, my opinion isn�t �Crouch doesn�t fit into our system�; it�s more �no one forward will fit�. Hand on heart, I believe KJ would have been equally ineffective on Saturday. The vast chasm between Crouch and the nearest Stoke player at times was embarrassing. It was supposed to be a home match after all, against a team near the bottom of the league, without a win to date. I�m not saying it never happens but we hardly ever see 4, 5 or 6 players all up in the final third of the pitch, all involved in an attack, putting the opposition on the back foot. Too often we ping it long to an isolated Crouch, it doesn�t stick and it puts the pressure back on us again. If things don�t change then it won�t matter who plays as that one up front; we�ll struggle to score goals. Said similar to above to my mate on Saturday.Watch almost any Premier league game and when teams are attacking and they have possession near the penalty area the player with the ball seems to have 4 or 5 options open to him.(even the so called smaller teams) As you have stated we are unable to pressure teams in their half due to lack of numbers in advanced positions. Agree with above. The strange thing is that when attacked these same teams also have men back in numbers. TP likes to have plenty of cover - our defence is good but not quick and athletic. Our players seem to pass the ball then stay and leave it to the reciever. Think we have a lot of progress to make in this way. The modern thinking is to pass / tackle / attack in packs. In theory this should leave gaps for the opposition to exploit. I am not too bothered how we play as long as we play the system well.
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Post by jarhead on Nov 14, 2012 18:25:39 GMT
So do we or should we drop crouchy for the good of the team?..... No.. we simply play Owen up with him, introduce PROPER WINGERS and in the correct position's ie a right-winger playing on the fuckin right and a left-winger playing on the left!!! we go 4,4,2 and attack teams and get service to both strikers which means Nzonzi and Adam as the middle two...but Braindead wont have the balls to do that because it means positive football,GOALS and the most critical part his pathetic toss loverboy is dropped (walters)!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 18:33:19 GMT
I think Kenwyne would be 'more' effective but at the same time we are hamstrung by the tactics and system.
We have a manager that got a team promoted having scored 46 or so goals, across a 46 game season. That in itself is staggeringly binary.
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Post by alster on Nov 14, 2012 19:25:11 GMT
I think Kenwyne would be 'more' effective but at the same time we are hamstrung by the tactics and system. We have a manager that got a team promoted having scored 46 or so goals, across a 46 game season. That in itself is staggeringly binary. I didn't realise we scored so few in the promotion season. Bloody hell we scored 6 of them in one week vs Southampton & Scunthorpe. Mind you that was before promotion was a realistic possibility at which stage the manager shit himself as usual. Now we're in the Prem he simply shits himself every week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 20:19:56 GMT
I think Kenwyne would be 'more' effective but at the same time we are hamstrung by the tactics and system. We have a manager that got a team promoted having scored 46 or so goals, across a 46 game season. That in itself is staggeringly binary. I didn't realise we scored so few in the promotion season. Bloody hell we scored 6 of them in one week vs Southampton & Scunthorpe. Mind you that was before promotion was a realistic possibility at which stage the manager shit himself as usual. Now we're in the Prem he simply shits himself every week. I wasn't talking about us mate, I was talking about his season at Gills 95-96 when he took them up. P46 W22 D17 L7 GF49 GA20 Amazing stats really for a team that finished 2nd. Even back then it was few scored, few conceded.
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Post by stokie1997 on Nov 14, 2012 20:27:47 GMT
Definately deserves a start and he would relish it, I think that if he starts then he will score you can see how much he has changed his game by his sub appearances, he now tracks back and puts in a shift and also he runs in behind the defenders and runs the channels well. Definately causes more problems than Peter Crouch
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Nov 15, 2012 13:32:09 GMT
would rather see Jerome given a chance than Kenwyne.
Its all well and good saying he is tracking back and tackling during his 15 minute spurts this season but i dont think that would last for very long if he was a regular again.
i would still love to see a return to 4-4-2 with Crouch and owen/jerome alongside him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 13:35:53 GMT
would rather see Jerome given a chance than Kenwyne. Its all well and good saying he is tracking back and tackling during his 15 minute spurts this season but i dont think that would last for very long if he was a regular again. i would still love to see a return to 4-4-2 with Crouch and owen/jerome alongside him What's this 'return' business? We play 4-4-1-1. We did last season. We do this season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 17, 2012 19:44:12 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 17, 2012 20:04:22 GMT
For me a bit of rotation wouldn't go a miss and Kenwyne certainly deserves a chance. We've looked very static as an attacking team since he's been dropped. Although like most I was frustrated by the bloke when his head is down and he's walking around the pitch aimlessly. I can't really fault Crouch's effort and his technique is miles ahead of Jones in my opinion but we do need to find a bit of mobility up front and Jones does offer that when he's on form. I suggested rotating the squad last season and March slaughtered me for it! I think we should give Kenwynne a go up front in certain games, and change formation, too.
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