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Post by march4 on Nov 10, 2012 23:38:23 GMT
So do we or should we drop crouchy for the good of the team?..... And that is the million dollar question!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 23:40:14 GMT
So do we or should we drop crouchy for the good of the team?..... And that is the million dollar question!! This is a massive question that Tone needs to finally answer.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 10, 2012 23:45:35 GMT
The answer is yes. But I don't see TP making that change, ever. He's backed himself into a corner with Crouch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 23:49:34 GMT
The answer is yes. But I don't see TP making that change, ever. He's backed himself into a corner with Crouch. Starstruck with crouchy and owen. Hes made some poor signings. I stress not in terms of the quality of player but the type of player suitable for HIS system. I would wager morale with his fringe players would be extremely low.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 10, 2012 23:49:43 GMT
Crouch is possibly the slowest player in the league. He's good technically but his lack of pace makes us very predictable when we attack, especially because none of the players around him have any pace either. Jones has to be the way forward if we are going to persist with 4-4-1-1. That would be right then. Crouch winning everything in the air and no fucker taking advantage!!!!!! Sack the bloke
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Post by march4 on Nov 10, 2012 23:52:38 GMT
Crouch is possibly the slowest player in the league. He's good technically but his lack of pace makes us very predictable when we attack, especially because none of the players around him have any pace either. Jones has to be the way forward if we are going to persist with 4-4-1-1. That would be right then. Crouch winning everything in the air and no fucker taking advantage!!!!!! Sack the bloke So why have the team goals dried up since the day Crouch joined? Ethers, KJ, SJW & Adam will get more goals than any combination with Crouch.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 11, 2012 0:03:56 GMT
So do we or should we drop crouchy for the good of the team?..... And that is the million dollar question!! Yes. Can I have a million dollars?
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 11, 2012 0:10:41 GMT
Crouch is possibly the slowest player in the league. He's good technically but his lack of pace makes us very predictable when we attack, especially because none of the players around him have any pace either. Jones has to be the way forward if we are going to persist with 4-4-1-1. That would be right then. Crouch winning everything in the air and no fucker taking advantage!!!!!! Sack the bloke Crouch wins no more in the air than Mama. His flick ons are about as well directed as Mama's too. If we're going to play Crouch for his flick ons there is no point in him playing upfront. In a TP team there will very, very rarely be anyone close enough to the front man to take advantage of his flick ons. 10 years of watching TP teams should have made that pretty obvious to everyone by now.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 11, 2012 0:14:06 GMT
That would be right then. Crouch winning everything in the air and no fucker taking advantage!!!!!! Sack the bloke Crouch wins no more in the air than Mama. His flick ons are about as well directed as Mama's too. If we're going to play Crouch for his flick ons there is no point in him playing upfront. In a TP team there will very, very rarely be anyone close enough to the front man to take advantage of his flick ons. 10 years of watching TP teams should have made that pretty obvious to everyone by now. Unless the target man plays deep, a la Mama and Fuller. But no top level target man is going to enjoy being asked to play a deeper role. Crouch had a right sulk about it.
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Post by Championship Potter on Nov 11, 2012 9:56:59 GMT
Crouch wins no more in the air than Mama. His flick ons are about as well directed as Mama's too. If we're going to play Crouch for his flick ons there is no point in him playing upfront. In a TP team there will very, very rarely be anyone close enough to the front man to take advantage of his flick ons. 10 years of watching TP teams should have made that pretty obvious to everyone by now. Unless the target man plays deep, a la Mama and Fuller. But no top level target man is going to enjoy being asked to play a deeper role. Crouch had a right sulk about it. When we signed Crouch I was convinced we would play him deeper with Jones as the advanced striker. I just don't think he brings enough to the table as the advanced striker, despite him technically being a very good footballer. In a Pulis team strength and pace can go a long way. You just have to look at how players like Mama and Walters have made themselves careers here whereas Kitson and Tuncay failed.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 11, 2012 10:16:55 GMT
I know Crouch is a better finisher than Kenwyne, but especially away from home we become very one dimensional with Crouchy up front! Our team is crying out for more pace!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 11, 2012 11:12:13 GMT
I agree that a motivated KJ suits the way we play better than Crouch no doubt about it
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 11, 2012 13:09:35 GMT
thought he looked really lively against Norwich and even more so today...deserves a start I,m waiting for Pulis to start him on the wing.
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Post by rubyonrails on Nov 11, 2012 13:13:21 GMT
His introduction gave us an extra dimension when he came on, just purely because he can get in behind and run at defenders. He's got his faults, but in 4-4-1-1 he's a better option than Crouch to lead the line. How can you possibly claim something like that and expect to be respected? Trousers NO!
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Post by bobbystokie on Nov 11, 2012 13:29:45 GMT
Let's start him.He'll be lazy and go misssing again like he has for the last two seasons as a starter.Then we can forget this issue.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 11, 2012 13:39:33 GMT
His introduction gave us an extra dimension when he came on, just purely because he can get in behind and run at defenders. He's got his faults, but in 4-4-1-1 he's a better option than Crouch to lead the line. How can you possibly claim something like that and expect to be respected? Trousers NO! The fact is an awful lot of people are in agreement with Trouserdog. Despite massive spending since Peter Crouch arrived we are getting no better results, scoring less goals and playing duller much more depressing football than we were before.
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Post by Tonarme on Nov 11, 2012 16:36:47 GMT
So do we or should we drop crouchy for the good of the team?..... And that is the million dollar question!! not so easy... there is a clause in his contract saying he has to play every game, unless injured!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 11, 2012 16:44:03 GMT
KJ was good when he came on. He was aggressive and direct, just as he was at Norwich and Chelsea.
In each of these 3 games, he has done more as a sub than Crouch has done as the starting striker and has looked more effective.
In his only start of the season, he did OK and scored, albeit against lower league opposition.
He should be given a genuine crack of the whip in trying to take Crouch's place in the team or join him in the starting 11. Sadly, we all know that won't happen and the favourites will continue to be picked no matter how good or bad they play or are playing.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 11, 2012 17:22:01 GMT
I prefer Crouchy but the way were set up suits KJ more. As he's more mobile and holds the ball up better. Kenwyn more mobile. ;D ;D Takes him a full minute go get his ass off the floor than swaggers back onside at snails pace when he should be chasing the ball. Big lazy sod who only makes the effort when he feels like it.
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Post by sutt on Nov 11, 2012 18:36:33 GMT
Nature is it's way etherington and jones back to start , kightly soon on the right Walters too to be fair better in the second half today in the hole team just needs picking on merit means adam will have to go for now but palacios is living proof we dont have to pick big money buys next weeks bench should be Palacios, Owen, crouch, Adam, upson, sorenson whitehead not bad Drop Adam, seriously? With Whelan in the side? Only bit of creativity we have in our midfield.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 11, 2012 18:38:09 GMT
I prefer Crouchy but the way were set up suits KJ more. As he's more mobile and holds the ball up better. Kenwyn more mobile. ;D ;D Takes him a full minute go get his ass off the floor than swaggers back onside at snails pace when he should be chasing the ball. Big lazy sod who only makes the effort when he feels like it. I'm no lover of KJ and do agree but yesterday I thought he showed a willingness to work and only did his getting onside slowly trick once. I was impressed.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Nov 11, 2012 18:41:51 GMT
Amazing how people see things differently. Other than one or two runs when he first came on, I thought he offered very little yesterday. Don't get me wrong, if we got him firing again then he'd offer something different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 19:43:19 GMT
I don,t see why we can,t play Crouchy and Jones together, even if it's only for half a game. Tony calls the tune, so why couldn't,t he tell them to play either side of the goal area, right or left whichever. I,m also pretty sure that Kenwyn could feed off Peters flick ons better than one or two of the others, but I doubt this will be given a chance. Kenwyn is pretty quick for a big lad and I can,t see why Tony doesn't,t give it a go.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 19:44:27 GMT
P.S. he could sub Walters for Jones.
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Post by jaybee on Nov 11, 2012 21:33:38 GMT
Kenwyn more mobile. ;D ;D Takes him a full minute go get his ass off the floor than swaggers back onside at snails pace when he should be chasing the ball. Big lazy sod who only makes the effort when he feels like it. Well, that's the way I saw it, but it seems that we are in the minority ??? Opinions eh!
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Post by crouchbot on Nov 12, 2012 0:20:51 GMT
He's going to have to stick one in the back of the net (preferably a winner at West Ham next week!!) when he comes on to get any chance of getting in the starting 11.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 12, 2012 1:20:01 GMT
Amazing how people see things differently. Other than one or two runs when he first came on, I thought he offered very little yesterday. Don't get me wrong, if we got him firing again then he'd offer something different. How much more has Crouch contributed in the last few games?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2012 2:27:43 GMT
Let's start him.He'll be lazy and go misssing again like he has for the last two seasons as a starter.Then we can forget this issue. And help get us to another FA cup final and into Europe.
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Post by rubyonrails on Nov 12, 2012 2:35:10 GMT
RVD made this excellent point in his QPR conclusions blog.
"It’s a problem of the manager’s own making – signing ‘name’ players who don’t fit his system but sticking with that system anyway. It’s becoming apparent that TP can’t have it both ways."
Yes, we have a squad now, and it looks like TP is not sure how to use it. I'm sure he'll figure it out though. He's a good manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 12, 2012 2:37:30 GMT
RVD made this excellent point in his QPR conclusions blog. "It’s a problem of the manager’s own making – signing ‘name’ players who don’t fit his system but sticking with that system anyway. It’s becoming apparent that TP can’t have it both ways." Yes, we have a squad now, and it looks like TP is not sure how to use it. I'm sure he'll figure it out though. He's a good manager. He did the exact same thing last season didn't he?
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