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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 10, 2012 16:01:58 GMT
...and Kightly on the bench and Pennant out on loan.
Just WTF is going on?
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Post by ruts66 on Nov 10, 2012 16:02:40 GMT
Some kind of break down I would guess...
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Post by stokief on Nov 10, 2012 16:04:23 GMT
Some kind of break down I would guess...  baffle the opposition and then spring a surprise? 
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Post by stoke624 on Nov 10, 2012 16:24:00 GMT
you can see how frustrated he is..he should be pulling the strings in the middle we all know thats what he does...pulis is clueless
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Post by stokief on Nov 10, 2012 16:25:04 GMT
Some kind of break down I would guess... baffle the opposition and then spring a surprise? I was right then |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 18:04:27 GMT
When Tone first thought about signing Charlie Adam, did he for a single moment consider just where he would fit into his rigid 4-4-1-1 formation? Is that it then, is Adam now our new right winger?  |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 10, 2012 20:44:03 GMT
I wonder if this is something Pulis will consider at West Ham next week?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 10, 2012 20:46:19 GMT
When Tone first thought about signing Charlie Adam, did he for a single moment consider just where he would fit into his rigid 4-4-1-1 formation? Is that it then, is Adam now our new right winger? Without doubt we are the only team in the division who would even so much as contemplate playing him there. I defy anyone to tell me different. |
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Post by SCFC92 on Nov 10, 2012 20:46:25 GMT
I wonder if this is something Pulis will consider at West Ham next week? I frigging hope not, I'm so fed up of Square Pegs being JAMMED into round holes.  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 20:46:49 GMT
I wonder if this is something Pulis will consider at West Ham next week? Extreme likely I would have thought. In fact no doubt he always intended on playing him there since he signed him but just thought he'd give him a go in the hole for a laugh. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 10, 2012 20:52:46 GMT
I wonder if this is something Pulis will consider at West Ham next week? Extreme likely I would have thought. In fact no doubt he always intended on playing him there since he signed him but just thought he'd give him a go in the hole for a laugh. Paul I don't know if you remember but in Adams first start for us at home to City he started the game on the right wing. I wonder if it's where he always intended to play him. Hopefully I'm wrong. Our evolution is only a success if Adam is a success. |
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Post by philm87 on Nov 10, 2012 20:54:53 GMT
Extreme likely I would have thought. In fact no doubt he always intended on playing him there since he signed him but just thought he'd give him a go in the hole for a laugh. Paul I don't know if you remember but in Adams first start for us at home to City he started the game on the right wing. I wonder if it's where he always intended to play him. Hopefully I'm wrong. Our evolution is only a success if Adam is a success. I think he intended to play Adam in the hole but allow him slightly more freedom than Walters in that position. He quite often switches it about twenty minutes into the game when he realises it doesn't work. |
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Post by alster on Nov 10, 2012 21:00:39 GMT
Paul I don't know if you remember but in Adams first start for us at home to City he started the game on the right wing. I wonder if it's where he always intended to play him. Hopefully I'm wrong. Our evolution is only a success if Adam is a success. I think he intended to play Adam in the hole but allow him slightly more freedom than Walters in that position. He quite often switches it about twenty minutes into the game when he realises it doesn't work. Problem is what he switches it back to is also proven not to work. |
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Post by philm87 on Nov 10, 2012 21:03:50 GMT
I think he intended to play Adam in the hole but allow him slightly more freedom than Walters in that position. He quite often switches it about twenty minutes into the game when he realises it doesn't work. Problem is what he switches it back to is also proven not to work. It works better than Adam in the hole though. Walters is pretty pointless on the wing. At least playing in the hole he can harry the opposition more, win headers and hold the ball up. If Tone wants the same Charlie Adam that Blackpool had he is going to have to change the system rather than simply tweaking it. I can forgive him for thinking that Adam might be able to adapt to play a different role but his performances so far suggest he can't. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2012 21:44:16 GMT
He was garbage on the wing (as You'd expect), yeah he scored but whether he was on the left or the right he just didn't have the engine or endeavour to go forward and get back. Which left whichever poor bugger at full back he was meant to be helping exposed. He took his goal well but he's not a winger.
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Post by march4 on Nov 10, 2012 21:49:36 GMT
He was garbage on the wing (as You'd expect), yeah he scored but whether he was on the left or the right he just didn't have the engine or endeavour to go forward and get back. Which left whichever poor bugger at full back he was meant to be helping exposed. He took his goal well but he's not a winger. If he has to play (and it looks like he is TP's new lovechild) then the flank is a better position for him. He has shown at all his clubs that he can't play a disciplined defensive role in midfield which leaves the Duracell Bunny position where he has been more hopeless than a blindfolded John Carew. At least on the flank he can drift into the box as he did today and he had more scope for passing today. That move in the first half with N'Zonzi was real quality. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 10, 2012 21:50:13 GMT
It was great to see Adam score today but there's not doubt in my mind that we aren't using him in his rightful position.
Whilst at Blackpool where, arguably, he played his best football Adam played as the deep lying midfielder. He played like a quarterback, get the ball and ping it, pick the ball up off the back four and get the side playing.
I can understand why we've experimented with using him in the hole, but surely there's no excuse for us shunting him out onto the right wing? Like somebody mentioned earlier, you can only imagine us doing such a thing!
Let's get back to basics, play 4-4-1-1 with two wingers and a partnership of Adam and N'Zonzi in the centre of midfield!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2012 21:51:56 GMT
He was garbage on the wing (as You'd expect), yeah he scored but whether he was on the left or the right he just didn't have the engine or endeavour to go forward and get back. Which left whichever poor bugger at full back he was meant to be helping exposed. He took his goal well but he's not a winger. If he has to play (and it looks like he is TP's new lovechild) then the flank is a better position for him. He has shown at all his clubs that he can't play a disciplined defensive role in midfield which leaves the Duracell Bunny position where he has been more hopeless than a blindfolded John Carew. At least on the flank he can drift into the box as he did today and he had more scope for passing today. That move in the first half with N'Zonzi was real quality. Not for me it isn't. He left us far too exposed down the flanks and it nearly cost us, thank God QPR couldn't finish today! He needs to play from the middle in a free role, he's not a winger, he's not a cage midfielder, he's a luxury. A luxury TP in his heart of hearts won't allow. |
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Post by march4 on Nov 10, 2012 21:55:15 GMT
If he has to play (and it looks like he is TP's new lovechild) then the flank is a better position for him. He has shown at all his clubs that he can't play a disciplined defensive role in midfield which leaves the Duracell Bunny position where he has been more hopeless than a blindfolded John Carew. At least on the flank he can drift into the box as he did today and he had more scope for passing today. That move in the first half with N'Zonzi was real quality. Not for me it isn't. He left us far too exposed down the flanks and it nearly cost us, thank God QPR couldn't finish today! He needs to play from the middle in a free role, he's not a winger, he's not a cage midfielder, he's a luxury. A luxury TP in his heart of hearts won't allow. The Duracell Bunny is as close as you will get to a free role in our team isn't it? |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Nov 10, 2012 21:57:43 GMT
Bizarre that moment of madness/genius won us the match
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2012 21:58:17 GMT
Not for me it isn't. He left us far too exposed down the flanks and it nearly cost us, thank God QPR couldn't finish today! He needs to play from the middle in a free role, he's not a winger, he's not a cage midfielder, he's a luxury. A luxury TP in his heart of hearts won't allow. The Duracell Bunny is as close as you will get to a free role in our team isn't it? Yup and he's too unfit for that, he was too unfit for the wing, he look bollocksed after 60 minutes in fact. And his goal celebration was the quickest he's ran in a Stoke shirt and the closest he's got to the ball in a tackle! |
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 10, 2012 21:59:10 GMT
Not for me it isn't. He left us far too exposed down the flanks and it nearly cost us, thank God QPR couldn't finish today! He needs to play from the middle in a free role, he's not a winger, he's not a cage midfielder, he's a luxury. A luxury TP in his heart of hearts won't allow. The Duracell Bunny is as close as you will get to a free role in our team isn't it? I'd say it's as far removed as you can get. Walters plays the role very well and does a lot of work off the ball. |
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Post by march4 on Nov 10, 2012 22:01:14 GMT
The Duracell Bunny is as close as you will get to a free role in our team isn't it? I'd say it's as far removed as you can get. Walters plays the role very well and does a lot of work off the ball. So, basically, there is no free role even though it is all Charlie Adam can do? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 22:03:26 GMT
Why can't he play just boring old centre mid.?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2012 22:03:45 GMT
The Duracell Bunny is as close as you will get to a free role in our team isn't it? I'd say it's as far removed as you can get. Walters plays the role very well and does a lot of work off the ball. It's as free as a role in the Stoke side as You get though, it transcends the midfield and attack and he is given license to work everywhere. But that's what it is, bloody hard work and that's why Charlie Adam has no chance of doing it. He's a rotund, unfit Jock. |
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Post by march4 on Nov 10, 2012 22:04:55 GMT
I'd say it's as far removed as you can get. Walters plays the role very well and does a lot of work off the ball. It's as free as a role in the Stoke side as You get though, it transcends the midfield and attack and he is given license to work everywhere. But that's what it is, bloody hard work and that's why Charlie Adam has no chance of doing. He's a rotund, unfit Jock. I have to agree with that. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 10, 2012 22:06:54 GMT
Why can't he play just boring old centre mid.? This Adam and N'Zonzi would be a decent, balanced partnership in my opinion |
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Post by jarhead on Nov 10, 2012 22:09:05 GMT
Those would be a dream to but sadly Braindead ain't got the balls do it!
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Post by march4 on Nov 10, 2012 22:09:54 GMT
Why can't he play just boring old centre mid.? This Adam and N'Zonzi would be a decent, balanced partnership in my opinion Disagree - we would ship goals by the bucketful If Adam has proven anything at his previous clubs it is that he can't play a disciplined role as one of a pair of central midfielders. Ollie played 2 defensive midfielders to support him. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 10, 2012 22:14:24 GMT
This Adam and N'Zonzi would be a decent, balanced partnership in my opinion Disagree - we would ship goals by the bucketful If Adam has proven anything at his previous clubs it is that he can't play a disciplined role as one of a pair of central midfielders. Ollie played 2 defensive midfielders to support him. I don't think so March, I think we would be doing a disservice to Adam by suggesting that he can only play well when he has two other midfielders to cover him. If Adam wasn't bought to play as part of midfield pair (assuming that TP agrees with you) then why on earth have we bought him? Where do you think he would be best suited? |
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