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Post by philm87 on Nov 3, 2012 19:34:50 GMT
Shots on Target: Norwich 4 Stoke 4 Shots off Target: Norwich 5 Stoke 5 Possession: Norwich 43.6 Stoke 56.4
I wasn't at the game... so could someone please enlighten me.
On the radio it sounded like we were shite in the first half but created enough in the last half an hour to at least have taken a point from the game.
The impression I get on here is that we are relegation fodder.
I'm not a big fan of stats but obviously they must correspond to reality at some level.
9 Shots, 4 on target, and 56% possession away from home looks like a significant improvement on last year from where I'm sitting?
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Post by redsaturday on Nov 3, 2012 19:39:15 GMT
your assumption is correct
we are nowhere near relegation fodder
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 3, 2012 19:40:01 GMT
Oh the irony.
Possession is irrelevant was the mantra on here all year. Now we are having the ball more it appears that it's the be all and end all and the Manager is getting things right.
Stats eh? only when it fits your arguement.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 3, 2012 19:43:26 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20107693 There's always a disparity, but Beeb has 53-47 in favour of Norwich - not that it's relevant. We did seem to have a lot of utterly pointless possession along the back line, which was normally started by Shawcross, passed around between the back 4 and N'Zonzi - then given back to Shawcross who tried to hit Crouch. This was something the annoying Manc co-commentator poined out a few times. We were painful to watch today
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Post by philm87 on Nov 3, 2012 19:45:13 GMT
Oh the irony. Possession is irrelevant was the mantra on here all year. Now we are having the ball more it appears that it's the be all and end all and the Manager is getting things right. Stats eh? only when it fits your arguement. I can't be held responsible for other people's poor arguments. At no point have I ever said 'possession is the be all and end all'. I did quite clearly state that I wasn't a big fan of stats. I said our inability to retain possession was a problem last year. Obviously we have improved slightly in that area this season. Given how little scoring opportunities we created in the second half of last season I think we have generally been better away from home so far this time round. I'm not saying there aren't problems... just trying to put things in a bit of perspective.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 3, 2012 19:46:08 GMT
Playing it around the back and then lumping it can give you possession but not necessarily chances. The last 20 minutes, we did look much better. But when we get the chances we are not on target. Walters has missed reasonable chances in about 4 games, which could have been game changing , we would have played with a lot more confidence if those chances had been put away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2012 19:47:56 GMT
I think you like others are forgetting the only stats that count. We yet again failed to score We also lost the game
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Post by philm87 on Nov 3, 2012 19:47:58 GMT
Playing it around the back and then lumping it can give you possession but not necessarily chances. The last 20 minutes, we did look much better. But when we get the chances we are not on target. Walters has missed reasonable chances in about 4 games, which could have been game changing , we would have played with a lot more confidence if those chances had been put away. That sounds pretty similar to what I heard on the radio. Need to start converting some of these chances and then we'll put some points on the board.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 3, 2012 19:50:18 GMT
I think you like others are forgetting the only stats that count. We yet again failed to score We also lost the game Obviously yes, but the signs are that we are closer to get results away from home than we were second half of last season. Do you think we're creating more chances and keeping the ball better away from home than we were last season?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 3, 2012 19:51:31 GMT
Shots on Target: Norwich 4 Stoke 4 Shots off Target: Norwich 5 Stoke 5 Possession: Norwich 43.6 Stoke 56.4 I wasn't at the game... so could someone please enlighten me. On the radio it sounded like we were shite in the first half but created enough in the last half an hour to at least have taken a point from the game. The impression I get on here is that we are relegation fodder. I'm not a big fan of stats but obviously they must correspond to reality at some level. 9 Shots, 4 on target, and 56% possession away from home looks like a significant improvement on last year from where I'm sitting? We were awful today Phil ... really awful.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 3, 2012 19:53:39 GMT
Playing it around the back and then lumping it can give you possession but not necessarily chances. The last 20 minutes, we did look much better. But when we get the chances we are not on target. Walters has missed reasonable chances in about 4 games, which could have been game changing , we would have played with a lot more confidence if those chances had been put away. That sounds pretty similar to what I heard on the radio. Need to start converting some of these chances and then we'll put some points on the board. The sad thing is that a few of the chances we've missed have been crying out for a poacher to tuck them away...
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Nov 3, 2012 19:54:35 GMT
The possession stats seem to change quite dramatically from source to source.
On my stream, it said we had 44% of the ball today but that isn't really the main issue. I was calling for us to keep the ball much more during the whole 'possession is irrelevant' argument earlier this year, and we've been doing that due to the quality of players we have in midfield nowadays.
The problem, however, still lingers from last season. We can't convert the chances that we're making, and it's really fucking frustrating.
I mean, here's a quick list;
- Jerome at Wigan to put us 3-2 up. - Walters at Chelsea to put us 1-0 up. - Adam at Liverpool to put us 1-0 up. - Walters at Man Utd to put us 2-0 up. - Kightly against Sunderland to put us 1-0 up. - Walters and Jones today to put us 1-1/2-1 up.
The majority of these chances aren't just sniffs at goal, they were great opportunities to put the ball in the back of the net. We just don't have the right personal on the pitch (or maybe in the squad) to score them and as a result, we're dropping points in games in which we should of scored.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 3, 2012 19:55:05 GMT
Shots on Target: Norwich 4 Stoke 4 Shots off Target: Norwich 5 Stoke 5 Possession: Norwich 43.6 Stoke 56.4 I wasn't at the game... so could someone please enlighten me. On the radio it sounded like we were shite in the first half but created enough in the last half an hour to at least have taken a point from the game. The impression I get on here is that we are relegation fodder. I'm not a big fan of stats but obviously they must correspond to reality at some level. 9 Shots, 4 on target, and 56% possession away from home looks like a significant improvement on last year from where I'm sitting? We were awful today Phil ... really awful. Really? It sounded like we created at least 2-3 clear cut chances. That's two or three more than most away games last season. I'll take your word for it given I wasn't at the game but it can't have been as bad as Wigan or Bolton away last season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2012 19:56:55 GMT
I think you like others are forgetting the only stats that count. We yet again failed to score We also lost the game Obviously yes, but the signs are that we are closer to get results away from home than we were second half of last season. Do you think we're creating more chances and keeping the ball better away from home than we were last season? Keeping the ball better then yes,although not in particularly dangerous areas. Creating chances, i would say we are creating the same sort of chances as last season,basically set piece scraps for the most part and i wouldn't particularly say we are creating that many more clear cut chances through keeping the ball better.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 3, 2012 19:57:14 GMT
We had one really good chance and a couple of half chances. Nothing too thrilling, anyway.
We started off with 38% possession in the second half and wasted a good 7 or so minutes passing the ball around between the back four. It did 4 cycles of Huth to Shawcross to Cameron to N'Zonzi to Huth over that time. It was almost preferable to giving it to Wilkinson so he could look absolutely lost while trying to avoid touching the ball with his left foot.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Nov 3, 2012 19:59:39 GMT
Shots on Target: Norwich 4 Stoke 4 Shots off Target: Norwich 5 Stoke 5 Possession: Norwich 43.6 Stoke 56.4 I wasn't at the game... so could someone please enlighten me. On the radio it sounded like we were shite in the first half but created enough in the last half an hour to at least have taken a point from the game. The impression I get on here is that we are relegation fodder. I'm not a big fan of stats but obviously they must correspond to reality at some level. 9 Shots, 4 on target, and 56% possession away from home looks like a significant improvement on last year from where I'm sitting? We were awful today Phil ... really awful. Really awful hardly describes it though does it really. We were absolutely relegation material against a very very average team, those tactics 2nd half were as basic and one dimensional as anything in our1st season up.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 3, 2012 19:59:46 GMT
Norwich were shit, yet they still beat us. Go figure.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 3, 2012 20:04:56 GMT
This stat is easy to explain:
Norwich 1-0 Stoke
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Post by RAF on Nov 3, 2012 20:05:52 GMT
Phil can you explain these stats?
We have spent over 26 million pounds on strikers and last year we were the lowest scorers in all the English professional divisons.
H
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 3, 2012 20:07:52 GMT
We were awful today Phil ... really awful. Really awful hardly describes it though does it really. Describes it? No pace. No movement. Adam repeatedly failing to beat the first man from set pieces. Kightly and Walters offering absolutely nothing. Whitehead late in the challenge and terrible in posession - probably his worst game in a Stoke shirt. Wilko looking like a fish out of Water. Begovic TWICE giving away corners when he could have simply let the ball drift out for a goal kick. Crouch completely and utterly isolated all match. Will that do?
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Post by fortressbritannia on Nov 3, 2012 20:09:02 GMT
This stat is easy to explain: Norwich 1-0 Stoke The problem is that stat doesn't count according to many on here towards the end of last season, possession and passes completed are more important
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Post by RAF on Nov 3, 2012 20:10:43 GMT
This stat is easy to explain: Norwich 1-0 Stoke The problem is that stat doesn't count according to many on here towards the end of last season, possession and passes completed are more important To be fair to the lads they are just getting over the jet lag from Valencia H
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 3, 2012 20:13:57 GMT
We did play 88 games last season though.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 3, 2012 20:14:06 GMT
Phil can you explain these stats? We have spent over 26 million pounds on strikers and last year we were the lowest scorers in all the English professional divisons. H I can answer that. H. We don't have strikers with pace, so our best chance of scoring is from set plays. No pace = less goals. Would somebody tell Pulis that his percentage game would be far more productive with that pace. M.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 3, 2012 20:16:38 GMT
The problem is that stat doesn't count according to many on here towards the end of last season, possession and passes completed are more important To be fair to the lads they are just getting over the jet lag from Valencia H Yes... don't forget that those 92 games last season are still taking their toll.
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Post by RAF on Nov 3, 2012 20:17:21 GMT
Phil can you explain these stats? We have spent over 26 million pounds on strikers and last year we were the lowest scorers in all the English professional divisons. H I can answer that. H. We don't have strikers with pace, so our best chance of scoring is from set plays. No pace = less goals. Would somebody tell Pulis that his percentage game would be far more productive with that pace. M. I don't remember Alan Shearer being blessed with blistering pace, nor Jimmy Greenhoff. But then again they have played in teams that supply their dangermen. By the way did Tone tell you our good news? H
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2012 20:27:17 GMT
a couple of stats
5 wins from 33 games 0 wins from 15 consecutive league away games
please tell me what manager wouldn't be sacked after a run like that?
it is a truly shocking run. during that time we have played crouch up front on his own.
the problem is so clear it is embarrassing. just how much longer do we have to put up with this shit? when will pulis fucking wake up?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 4, 2012 0:23:31 GMT
a couple of stats 5 wins from 33 games 0 wins from 15 consecutive league away gamesplease tell me what manager wouldn't be sacked after a run like that? it is a truly shocking run. during that time we have played crouch up front on his own. the problem is so clear it is embarrassing. just how much longer do we have to put up with this shit? when will pulis fucking wake up? We've got West Brom to come pretty soon ... ;D
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 4, 2012 0:27:02 GMT
one stat only, matters...
We lost 1-0 to a sh** team. Next week is huge
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Post by philm87 on Nov 4, 2012 0:31:57 GMT
a couple of stats 5 wins from 33 games 0 wins from 15 consecutive league away games please tell me what manager wouldn't be sacked after a run like that? it is a truly shocking run. during that time we have played crouch up front on his own. the problem is so clear it is embarrassing. just how much longer do we have to put up with this shit? when will pulis fucking wake up? Why pick the number 33? Are you a mason or something? He won't get sacked because the Chairman trusts him and his previous record was very good. Plenty of managers have done worse so far this season.
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