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Post by tazi on Sept 27, 2012 18:01:43 GMT
For what it's worth John Terry is a cnut.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 27, 2012 18:27:07 GMT
The mullet on SSN in a minute. Should be interesting what he says
Not a lot really
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Post by k on Sept 27, 2012 18:41:04 GMT
Quite an amazing decision for the FA to have made really, considering the rule of law found him not guilty. I wouldn't be surprised if he not only appealed, but also tried to sue the FA in some capacity.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 27, 2012 18:49:18 GMT
Has John Terry learnt his lesson, now? Personally, I don't think so. Whatever he said to Jonny Walters on Sat, clearly got Jon madder than I've ever seen him. Poor bugger. No lesson to be learned by him as I'm sure in his own mind he's convinced it's just a bit of banter , a leopard can't change it's spots terry is pond life and he can't change that
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Post by basingstokie on Sept 27, 2012 18:53:13 GMT
4 games and 220k, couldn't happen too a bigger scumbag
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 27, 2012 19:15:06 GMT
Quite an amazing decision for the FA to have made really, considering the rule of law found him not guilty. I wouldn't be surprised if he not only appealed, but also tried to sue the FA in some capacity. Why? The burden of proof in a disciplinary case is very different from the "beyond reasonable doubt" in a criminal case. It is not very different from Simon Harwood the Police Officer sacked the other week for using excessive force against Ian Tomlinson who died in last year's riots. He'd been cleared of manslaughter by a jury only a few weeks earlier.
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Post by greyman on Sept 27, 2012 20:17:40 GMT
Quite an amazing decision for the FA to have made really, considering the rule of law found him not guilty. I wouldn't be surprised if he not only appealed, but also tried to sue the FA in some capacity. The court called Terry's defence 'unlikely' but that still left room for at least some doubt, hence the acquittal. So the FA decision isn't that much different but made on a different burden of proof as LP says.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 27, 2012 20:40:30 GMT
If I had shouted what Terry said at a game and got caught, I would receive a 12 month ban from all football stadia at the very least.
Terry should have received the same punishment in a court of law and on the basis that he didn't, the FA have subsequently not punished him enough in my opinion.
Terry's defence would be the same as Staffords...How can I be racist. I have black friends!
For what it is worth Terry probably isn't racist in terms of being a BNP member and such like but without doubt he is a vile, thick and disgusting piece of shit who is bigoted to boot.
The FA should have thrown the book at him long before now and if Terry had an ounce of decency, he would have apologised immediately and condemned his own comments as being totally out of order and made purely in the "heat of the moment".
He is way too dispicable an individual for that though and his defence is laughable.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 27, 2012 21:12:00 GMT
It's not only a different burden of proof, but a different charge. The court was considering a public order offence, the FA panel a breach of FA rules - and they aren't the same.
I don't see how anyone can sensibly comment on the judgement or the sentence until the written decision is published. None of us heard the evidence. None of us heard the arguments put forward by the advocates for the FA prosecution or John Terry. Only when we see that can we make a judgement on whether differences with the Suarez case are appropriate.
If you are interested in this kind of thing, the Suarez judgement is worth a read - even though it's 115 pages long ( quite something for incidents which lasted about 5 mins !). I think it's a superb judgement in terms of its thoroughness and the quality of its analysis.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 27, 2012 21:27:59 GMT
It's not only a different burden of proof, but a different charge. The court was considering a public order offence, the FA panel a breach of FA rules - and they aren't the same. I don't see how anyone can sensibly comment on the judgement or the sentence until the written decision is published. None of us heard the evidence. None of us heard the arguments put forward by the advocates for the FA prosecution or John Terry. Only when we see that can we make a judgement on whether differences with the Suarez case are appropriate. If you are interested in this kind of thing, the Suarez judgement is worth a read - even though it's 115 pages long ( quite something for incidents which lasted about 5 mins !). I think it's a superb judgement in terms of its thoroughness and the quality of its analysis. Absolutely spot on. Perhaps you could explain this to that odious little turd David Mellor who I heard on the radio saying it was 'double jeopardy' and that having been cleared in a Court should not have been charged by the FA. And him a Lawyer. Perhaps all those who agree with Mellor over Terry also think that PC Simon Harwood shouldn't have been disciplined and sacked by the Met. Police. After all he was cleared in a Court of law of the manslaughter of Ian Tomlinson. Double jeopardy? No thought not.
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Post by discokaraoke on Sept 27, 2012 21:29:59 GMT
Quite an amazing decision for the FA to have made really, considering the rule of law found him not guilty. I wouldn't be surprised if he not only appealed, but also tried to sue the FA in some capacity. I am totally with you on that one pal, the FA are a joke to say the least! Also, can we please give terry break? I'd have him in my beloved stoke city team any day.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 27, 2012 21:31:56 GMT
have him at Stoke? Give your head a wobble, he's a vile, dreadful human being. I really don't know if I could ever back a player who is so abhorrent
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 27, 2012 21:44:16 GMT
have him at Stoke? Give your head a wobble, he's a vile, dreadful human being. I really don't know if I could ever back a player who is so abhorrent He's a shit, born a shit, from a shit family and will always be a shit. If he ever polled up at Clayton Wood holding up the shirt etc etc would be the last day I went near the Brit until he fucked off again. Did I mention I think he's a shit?
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Post by jamrock on Sept 27, 2012 21:45:54 GMT
Quite an amazing decision for the FA to have made really, considering the rule of law found him not guilty. I wouldn't be surprised if he not only appealed, but also tried to sue the FA in some capacity. I am totally with you on that one pal, the FA are a joke to say the least! Also, can we please give terry break? I'd have him in my beloved stoke city team any day. Read what Laughing Gravy & Malcolm Clarke wrote above your post fellow and you might see why the FA are correct
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Post by discokaraoke on Sept 27, 2012 21:47:15 GMT
have him at Stoke? Give your head a wobble, he's a vile, dreadful human being. I really don't know if I could ever back a player who is so abhorrent Never had a problem with Terry, he is a 110% committed player, who is very passionate, and i very much doubt he would get the stick of us Stoke fans if he played for us, simple. The guy is taking alot of unfair stick, and still getting on with it
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Post by Gods on Sept 27, 2012 21:47:29 GMT
I must admit, try as I might, I can't help but really like John Terry.
He is on so many levels the perfect antidote to the modern day footballer, a throw back to the 60's almost.
Working class lad from Dagenham, a single club man, fiercely proud to represent his country and willing to die for the cause for his club.
If you don't think he would have been a Potteries legend was he born and bred here and played for Stoke City instead you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 27, 2012 21:47:37 GMT
In many workplaces if you said what he said you'd be instantly dismissed....regardless of context.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 27, 2012 21:51:27 GMT
I must admit, try as I might, I can't help but really like John Terry. He is on so many levels the perfect antidote to the modern day footballer, a throw back to the 60's almost. Working class lad from Dagenham, a single club man, fiercely proud to represent his country and willing to die for the cause for his club. If you don't think he would have been a Potteries legend was he born and bred here and played for Stoke City instead you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Full of class John is, forget his scummy family, Wayne bridge and Ferdinand, he was a cunt at the last World Cup
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 27, 2012 21:53:58 GMT
In many workplaces if you said what he said you'd be instantly dismissed....regardless of context. And also in many places instantly arrested and placed in front of the next available Court. Not invited for interview by the plod and then placed in front of a Court conveniently adjourned for 8 months to allow you to continue to carry on your work (and in most other peoples cases convicted).
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 27, 2012 21:59:25 GMT
In many workplaces if you said what he said you'd be instantly dismissed....regardless of context. And also in many places instantly arrested and placed in front of the next available Court. Not invited for interview by the plod and then placed in front of a Court conveniently adjourned for 8 months to allow you to continue to carry on your work (and in most other peoples cases convicted). + 1 These 2 posts
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Post by salopstick on Sept 27, 2012 22:02:28 GMT
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 27, 2012 22:02:29 GMT
Terry will die a wealthy man. shame that but good luck to him. a cunt like him that makes good deserves some credit.
Incidentally I reckon Ferdinand is probably a cunt too.
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Post by discokaraoke on Sept 27, 2012 22:03:25 GMT
In many workplaces if you said what he said you'd be instantly dismissed....regardless of context. The world has gone fookin mad!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 27, 2012 22:13:53 GMT
Good spot and good article, thanks Al.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 27, 2012 22:15:59 GMT
No worries I like to keep an eye on the communist view
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 27, 2012 22:20:30 GMT
No worries I like to keep an eye on the communist view ;D
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 27, 2012 22:20:35 GMT
Will Terry be allowed to play in European games?
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Post by discokaraoke on Sept 27, 2012 22:26:19 GMT
So John terry is vile? Sit in the boothen end to see what vile is!!
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 27, 2012 23:37:13 GMT
When will people learn?Like it or not racism in any shape or form in this day and age is completely unacceptable.Deal with it and accept it if not then deal with the consequences.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 28, 2012 0:06:04 GMT
Quite an amazing decision for the FA to have made really, considering the rule of law found him not guilty. I wouldn't be surprised if he not only appealed, but also tried to sue the FA in some capacity. Why is it amazing? He is guilty!.... there is no disputing that he said what he said. Even he doesn't dispute that. By the rules of the FA that is an offence, in whatever context he used the language. The difference with the court of law is that he could afford lawyers who could defend him against the charge that he said it with any intent of racism.
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