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Post by pickins on Aug 27, 2012 15:55:11 GMT
Palacios out and Dawson & Huddlestone in seems to be the general theme doing the rounds. Not sure what to make of it all really.
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Post by yogibear78 on Aug 27, 2012 15:55:52 GMT
Cameron Jerome will be sold next, he's had a fair crack at the whip aswell hasn't he!?
Why the fuck did he buy them in the first place.
Fuck this guy off
PULIS OUT!
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Post by padders01 on Aug 27, 2012 15:57:06 GMT
IF (and big IF) true, then it just adds to the whole mystery of why we signed him in first plcae & just what is going on in the dressing room? Things just aint right Peter Crouch was £18m that's what the Palacois deal was all about Many with vouch I said it last August and NOTHING has changed my mind
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2012 15:57:10 GMT
Palacios out, Huddlestone in makes sense barring Huddlestone's injuries. He could easily be another Palacios and we get screwed over again.
Palacios has been a disaster, TP needs bollocking.
Dawson, we simply don't need.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 27, 2012 15:57:46 GMT
He's made two cameo appearances off the bench and he's looked miles off the pace in both. If we could get 4-5 million for him before next Friday I'm quite sure the club would move him on, and there's been little evidence over the last 12 months to suggest it would be a bad decision. There wouldn't. The bad decision was 12 months ago. Jesus Christ. It was a risk worth taking on an established player. Sadly it's not worked out. Shit happens. It's hardly the worst ever decision in football management.
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Post by luke45 on Aug 27, 2012 15:58:02 GMT
He's made two cameo appearances off the bench and he's looked miles off the pace in both. If we could get 4-5 million for him before next Friday I'm quite sure the club would move him on, and there's been little evidence over the last 12 months to suggest it would be a bad decision. There wouldn't. The bad decision was 12 months ago. Unfortunately true. I'm sure Pulis was confident, like we all were, that Palacios could re-discover the form he produced at Wigan and in his 1st season at Spurs. There's no doubt whatsoever he could be one of the best central midfielders in the division if he could. Sadly it appears those days are well and truly in the past, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire in the next couple of years.
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Post by yogibear78 on Aug 27, 2012 15:59:03 GMT
This is sickening to be honest, he has shed a shit load of weight he could be cracking in centre mid for us playing alongside Cameron. Keep him and play him I say. The guy hasn't even had chance since he shed a load of weight pre season. He's made two cameo appearances off the bench and he's looked miles off the pace in both. If we could get 4-5 million for him before next Friday I'm quite sure the club would move him on, and there's been little evidence over the last 12 months to suggest it would be a bad decision. The guy has lost half his body weight during pre season, you can't just expect him to be thrown in and him to hit the ground running, he needs match sharpness and fitness that only comes with playing matches! Michael Owen even said himself once that it takes him 5 or 6 games to get his match sharpness and fitness up to the required standard. Some people are naturally fit, others need time.
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Post by pickins on Aug 27, 2012 15:59:10 GMT
Out of interest what is the scouting set up at the club? Does anybody know?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2012 15:59:25 GMT
There wouldn't. The bad decision was 12 months ago. Jesus Christ. It was a risk worth taking on an established player. Sadly it's not worked out. Shit happens. It's hardly the worst ever decision in football management. It's happened far too often under TP. Risks taken on old or injury prone players leading to millions being spunked up the wall. And I don't think he's been given a fair crack of the whip really but he (Palacios) can take part of the blame for that, I accept It probably is the right time to sell him but it's been a disaster. TP won't waste Peter's money. ;D
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 27, 2012 15:59:59 GMT
Out of interest what is the scouting set up at the club? Does anybody know? No better than when Baden Powell started it thats for sure
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 27, 2012 16:00:21 GMT
Out of interest what is the scouting set up at the club? Does anybody know?
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Post by yogibear78 on Aug 27, 2012 16:01:04 GMT
Out of interest what is the scouting set up at the club? Does anybody know? ;D Scouting set-up? us?
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 27, 2012 16:04:31 GMT
Jesus Christ. It was a risk worth taking on an established player. Sadly it's not worked out. Shit happens. It's hardly the worst ever decision in football management. It's happened far too often under TP. Risks taken on old or injury prone leading to millions being spunked up the wall. And I don't think he's been given a fair crack of the whip. It probably is the right time to sell him but it's been a disaster. TP won't waste Peter's money. ;D Yes we've bought in so many injury prone players over the years we have been constantly topping the charts in terms of injuries... www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.phpWe also took a risk on some injury prone player called Fuller. Look how that turned out. I think Palacios and Woodgate are skewing your view a little there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 16:06:17 GMT
Out of interest what is the scouting set up at the club? Does anybody know? Ok - but which one is the scout ? ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2012 16:08:24 GMT
It's happened far too often under TP. Risks taken on old or injury prone leading to millions being spunked up the wall. And I don't think he's been given a fair crack of the whip. It probably is the right time to sell him but it's been a disaster. TP won't waste Peter's money. ;D Yes we've bought in so many injury prone players over the years we have been constantly topping the charts in terms of injuries... www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.phpWe also took a risk on some injury prone player called Fuller. Look how that turned out. I think Palacios and Woodgate are skewing your view a little there. We manage them well it has to be said! Risks have to be taken I do agree. But when You take that risk, at least try and allow to get fitness. He will never get fit if he isn't playing matches. It's one big vicious circle. The whole episode of Palacios being here has been one mistake after another. And maybe Woodgate has skewed it but I still think over the years TP has wasted too much money. This is just another example. Maybe it's the academies fault? Cheap shot I know, sorry.
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Post by Bombus on Aug 27, 2012 16:08:29 GMT
Out of interest what is the scouting set up at the club? Does anybody know? ;D
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Post by westgatelakes on Aug 27, 2012 16:11:19 GMT
i`m afraid that spuds knew what they were doing when they sold us palacios. There is something amiss with his stamina which is why ten minutes is all he is getting on the pitch currently - expect to see him transferred for whatever we can get by friday folks.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 27, 2012 16:13:15 GMT
Yes we've bought in so many injury prone players over the years we have been constantly topping the charts in terms of injuries... www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.phpWe also took a risk on some injury prone player called Fuller. Look how that turned out. I think Palacios and Woodgate are skewing your view a little there. We manage them well it has to be said! Risks have to be taken I do agree. But when You take that risk, at least try and allow to get fitness. He will never get fit if he isn't playing matches. It's one big vicious circle. The whole episode of Palacios being here has been one mistake after another. And maybe Woodgate has skewed it but I still think over the years TP has wasted too much money. This is just another example. Maybe it's the academies fault? Cheap shot I know, sorry. Well how good players actually are, etc is always open to debate, but that's a different argument. Palacios is the only moderately pricey player I can think of who we have had little to no return from in terms of game time. Most of the others we signed who never played were fairly cheap by silly money Prem standards, individually at least.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 27, 2012 16:14:15 GMT
Out of interest what is the scouting set up at the club? Does anybody know? I thought it was....
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Post by luke45 on Aug 27, 2012 16:15:04 GMT
He's made two cameo appearances off the bench and he's looked miles off the pace in both. If we could get 4-5 million for him before next Friday I'm quite sure the club would move him on, and there's been little evidence over the last 12 months to suggest it would be a bad decision. The guy has lost half his body weight during pre season, you can't just expect him to be thrown in and him to hit the ground running, he needs match sharpness and fitness that only comes with playing matches! Michael Owen even said himself once that it takes him 5 or 6 games to get his match sharpness and fitness up to the required standard. Some people are naturally fit, others need time. The question is, how long do we keep persevering with him and making excuses for his inabilities? We all said throughout the course of last season that he was lacking a full pre-season with Stoke and he would be look far more fitter and effective once he has had one. Well so far on the evidence of his two cameo appearances, there isn't any sign of improvement at all despite him having a full pre-season with us. I'd really like him to be a success because he does have a lot of potential, but I think his best days are well and truly behind him. I really hope he proves me wrong, but I can't see him ever producing anywhere near the form he produced at Wigan and in his 1st season at Spurs ever again. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he retires by the time he's 30.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2012 16:16:32 GMT
We manage them well it has to be said! Risks have to be taken I do agree. But when You take that risk, at least try and allow to get fitness. He will never get fit if he isn't playing matches. It's one big vicious circle. The whole episode of Palacios being here has been one mistake after another. And maybe Woodgate has skewed it but I still think over the years TP has wasted too much money. This is just another example. Maybe it's the academies fault? Cheap shot I know, sorry. Well how good players actually are, etc is always open to debate, but that's a different argument. Palacios is the only moderately pricey player I can think of who we have had little to no return from in terms of game time. Most of the others we signed who never played were fairly cheap by silly money Prem standards, individually at least. True but in terms of us I still think it's big. And does someone like KJ count? In my mind he does. His value has plummeted and it's just a waste. I don't even like KJ but as an asset we just haven't handled him well. Partly with Crouch and then partly with how he never got a fair crack last season. It's tough but I can see why PC would want to reign the spending if that is what he has chosen.
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Post by Bombus on Aug 27, 2012 16:18:24 GMT
I thought it was.... Just got sacked mate, Kemp couldn't stand him
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Post by jeycov on Aug 27, 2012 16:18:25 GMT
Palacios out, Huddlestone in makes sense barring Huddlestone's injuries. He could easily be another Palacios and we get screwed over again. Palacios has been a disaster, TP needs bollocking. Dawson, we simply don't need. Agree we don't need Dawson We do need to keep Ryan A workable deal with Huddlestone could be a good move - the longer that the deal is in limbo, the stronger our position if Spurs want to offload him in my opinion
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Post by yogibear78 on Aug 27, 2012 16:20:16 GMT
Palacios out, Huddlestone in makes sense barring Huddlestone's injuries. He could easily be another Palacios and we get screwed over again. Palacios has been a disaster, TP needs bollocking. Dawson, we simply don't need. Agree we don't need Dawson We do need to keep Ryan A workable deal with Huddlestone could be a good move - the longer that the deal is in limbo, the stronger our position if Spurs want to offload him in my opinion Yes and the more time it gives for someone else to think he's worth a go too. You can bet if they want him off the wage bill they are pimping him out good Style with Levy in charge.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 27, 2012 16:21:09 GMT
Well how good players actually are, etc is always open to debate, but that's a different argument. Palacios is the only moderately pricey player I can think of who we have had little to no return from in terms of game time. Most of the others we signed who never played were fairly cheap by silly money Prem standards, individually at least. True but in terms of us I still think it's big. And does someone like KJ count? In my mind he does. His value has plummeted and it's just a waste. I don't even like KJ but as an asset we just haven't handled him well. Partly with Crouch and then partly with how he never got a fair crack last season. It's tough but I can see why PC would want to reign the spending if that is what he has chosen. Too much attention to transfer fees is paid on here. The main reason KJ's value would have gone down is because another year of his contract has evaporated. The main waste is paying his wages to do fuck all, not what we might get back in terms of a fee. Either way it has not been a great situation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2012 16:22:17 GMT
True but in terms of us I still think it's big. And does someone like KJ count? In my mind he does. His value has plummeted and it's just a waste. I don't even like KJ but as an asset we just haven't handled him well. Partly with Crouch and then partly with how he never got a fair crack last season. It's tough but I can see why PC would want to reign the spending if that is what he has chosen. Too much attention to transfer fees is paid on here. The main reason KJ's value would have gone down is because another year of his contract has evaporated. The main waste is paying his wages to do fuck all, not what we might get back in terms of a fee. Either way it has not been a great situation. Agreed!
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 27, 2012 16:47:26 GMT
I seem to recall that this 'complete waste of space' had a terrific game during the time he was on against Valencia away. Maybe the cage doesn't suit his style of play. Whatever (and I don't profess to know the reason), he's not made the grade here on a regular basis, and a parting of the ways can only be for the good of both the club and the player.
OS.
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Post by Macko on Aug 27, 2012 16:55:19 GMT
As I said earlier on another thread, for whatever reason Wilson looks so far off the pace mentally and physically that I think he is finsished as a professionjal footballer so if someone else thinks they can mend him, good luck to them and move on, it will never be fixed at Stoke and our manager.
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 27, 2012 16:55:23 GMT
OS seems to make a reasonable point again! He must be off if we sign Edu, Huddlestone etc. Bloody shame though, he was ace in earlier seasons. A dogs home that got away, but hopefully we can recoup the outlay.
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Post by staffordscfc on Aug 27, 2012 17:57:17 GMT
The two words 'chicken' and 'headless' comes to mind when watching him play. Total waste of money, i'd say get rid and free up his no doubt massive salary!!!!
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