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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 9:50:08 GMT
NEW'S FLASH ..........
Ric's gone get over it.
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Post by pezzy on Aug 25, 2012 10:06:33 GMT
To e fair, I take your point about Sidibe because he never plays... However, Higginbotham was still playing when his contract was renewed if my memory is correct and not many people seemed too unhappy with him playing either. Delap has been a regular fixture on the pitch all throughout the Premier League days. Whether he should be or not isn't really tge argument here.
I've seem some people mention Tongue and Davies. Were they really given extended contracts? I'd understand the rage of some people a bit more than, but I thought they were signings to boost the squad numbers in 08 who were given ill advised long contracts... Which I would imagine is more of the board's fault than Pulis'.
At least somebody answered the point though rather than try to make present day Fuller out to be the best player in the squad. About time we had a considered view on this board of maniacs.
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Post by pezzy on Aug 25, 2012 10:08:19 GMT
As for Diao, he was bein kept on because Pulis was trying to get him to take a coaching role... Pulis basically admitted as much.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2012 12:05:25 GMT
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but seeing as this board loves a good discussion about TP's quotes and his obvious double standards, I picked up this gem from a sentinel edition I saw earlier; "Unfortunatley everybody has their time and place but I am really pleased Ric has now got himself a really good club in the championship". Really TP? Perhaps that is a sentiment he should have applied to the likes of Danny Pugh, Salif Diou, Mama and Tonge who stayed longer than their time and place should have allowed! It also implies, as I have said many times, that Ric's time and place at Stoke City had gone and that he received absolutely no contract offer from us! As good a job as TP has done, he remains a two faced fucker who is nigh on impossible to love in my household! If his family are lovers of Football,he most likely aint too fondly thought of in his own household. ;D
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 25, 2012 12:16:01 GMT
My point is that they all outstayed their welcome and should have left long before they did given TP's reasoning. The same, to a lesser extent, could also be said of Higgy, Delap and Nash all of whom have received extended contracts at various points over the last 12-18 months. It isn't making me mad either MoMo. It actually makes me laugh such is his amazing ability to totally contradict himself. Joe - I can 100% assure you that you are wrong. I won't explain why you are wrong yet again as I have repeated myself too often on the matter already. Think about this though...Why would Ric accept a 12 month contract at Charlton, yet not accept one with us? Ric has the option of a second year at Charlton if he plays a certain number of games but in essence, it is a 12 month contract that he has agreed. EDIT - exactly kid. Great job and full respect to the man. I never thought I would watch Stoke in Europe and an FA Cup Final. I respect 100% the job that he has done but the man is simply impossible to love! Despite what the Rimmers say, TP isn't loved at Stoke. He is respected for sure but he isn't loved. Which of our Managers have been loved? Ball Boskamp Gudjon Macari Durban Megson Cotterill Little Mills Kamara Jordan Possibly only Macari from that list. Even he had his detractors. It isnt the Manager's job to be loved, they seldom are. Its there job to bring success and you can't argue with Pulis on that one
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Post by Macko on Aug 25, 2012 12:25:29 GMT
I'll agree about Macari, mainly happy days Look through that list and we have had some shockers! Megson was doing a solid job but we probably would have ended up with hoofball ala Tone, Cotterill again reasonable until he turned into a turncoat as for the rest? We clearly have been rubbish at picking a manager And you missed Barker and Asprey, how could you forget the holocaust season?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2012 13:37:36 GMT
The opening post was less to do with Ricardo Fuller and more to do with the ease with which TP contradicts himself at every given opportunity.
It is funny and so easy to pick up on and as Bayern highlighted in the 3rd thread on this thread, I only posted it, late at night to enjoy some late evening banter with the usual suspects.
Take Fuller out of it and read his interview in the Telegraph today. Another interview full of contradictions. He mentions the continual upward movement of the club yet fails to acknowledge that last season was our lowest league position and points total since promotion.
He also says that he is happy with the current need to "wheel and deal" as he had to build a bigger squad last season to compete in the Europa League and the Premier League whilst failing to acknowledge that he gave up the ghost in Valencia.
His squad building failed. We didn't compete when it mattered in Europe and our league campaign was nothing short of dismal.
The man is a walking contradiction.
Managers are loved because of the work that they do at the club. If Lou Macari had done the work that TP had done, we would have statues and all sorts in the making. The ground would buzz non stop to Lou's numerous songs and the feel good factor would be immense.
That isn't the case with Pulis is it and the fact that he is a walking contradiction is part of the problem along with other things as well. At a time when we have experienced things we never thought we would watching SToke City, the vast majority of us are losing interest rapidly.
Lads who have stood on the grass bank at Wigan, on the roof across the road at Macc to watch us play Chester and at so many shitty places besides are losing interest rapidly.
Why is that?
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 25, 2012 17:32:20 GMT
The opening post was less to do with Ricardo Fuller and more to do with the ease with which TP contradicts himself at every given opportunity. It is funny and so easy to pick up on and as Bayern highlighted in the 3rd thread on this thread, I only posted it, late at night to enjoy some late evening banter with the usual suspects. Take Fuller out of it and read his interview in the Telegraph today. Another interview full of contradictions. He mentions the continual upward movement of the club yet fails to acknowledge that last season was our lowest league position and points total since promotion. He also says that he is happy with the current need to "wheel and deal" as he had to build a bigger squad last season to compete in the Europa League and the Premier League whilst failing to acknowledge that he gave up the ghost in Valencia. His squad building failed. We didn't compete when it mattered in Europe and our league campaign was nothing short of dismal. The man is a walking contradiction. Managers are loved because of the work that they do at the club. If Lou Macari had done the work that TP had done, we would have statues and all sorts in the making. The ground would buzz non stop to Lou's numerous songs and the feel good factor would be immense. That isn't the case with Pulis is it and the fact that he is a walking contradiction is part of the problem along with other things as well. At a time when we have experienced things we never thought we would watching SToke City, the vast majority of us are losing interest rapidly. Lads who have stood on the grass bank at Wigan, on the roof across the road at Macc to watch us play Chester and at so many shitty places besides are losing interest rapidly. Why is that? Bizarre!!!! Lots of us have been to Wigan, Crewe, Vale, Chester, Macc, Shrewsbury, places where we have been embarrassed beyond belief. If we didnt lose interest then we surely are'nt losing interest now. I'm not anyway. ???
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2012 18:57:58 GMT
The opening post was less to do with Ricardo Fuller and more to do with the ease with which TP contradicts himself at every given opportunity. It is funny and so easy to pick up on and as Bayern highlighted in the 3rd thread on this thread, I only posted it, late at night to enjoy some late evening banter with the usual suspects. Take Fuller out of it and read his interview in the Telegraph today. Another interview full of contradictions. He mentions the continual upward movement of the club yet fails to acknowledge that last season was our lowest league position and points total since promotion. He also says that he is happy with the current need to "wheel and deal" as he had to build a bigger squad last season to compete in the Europa League and the Premier League whilst failing to acknowledge that he gave up the ghost in Valencia. His squad building failed. We didn't compete when it mattered in Europe and our league campaign was nothing short of dismal. The man is a walking contradiction. Managers are loved because of the work that they do at the club. If Lou Macari had done the work that TP had done, we would have statues and all sorts in the making. The ground would buzz non stop to Lou's numerous songs and the feel good factor would be immense. That isn't the case with Pulis is it and the fact that he is a walking contradiction is part of the problem along with other things as well. At a time when we have experienced things we never thought we would watching SToke City, the vast majority of us are losing interest rapidly. Lads who have stood on the grass bank at Wigan, on the roof across the road at Macc to watch us play Chester and at so many shitty places besides are losing interest rapidly. Why is that? All very true but then don't all managers contradict themselves, talk shit and generally make very little sense??? I admit Pulis makes it an art form but there you go. In a way Fuller sums up how Pulis is impossible to work out. He brought the great man to the club, got the best out of him then discarded him like a shitty stick. It's Pulis and he'll never change. We either live with him or..... .....actually I think we just have to live with him because Coates isn't gonna get rid any time soon. The Fuller issue really needs putting to bed though because the debate is just going round in circles now.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Aug 25, 2012 18:59:31 GMT
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but seeing as this board loves a good discussion about TP's quotes and his obvious double standards, I picked up this gem from a sentinel edition I saw earlier; "Unfortunatley everybody has their time and place but I am really pleased Ric has now got himself a really good club in the championship". Really TP? Perhaps that is a sentiment he should have applied to the likes of Danny Pugh, Salif Diou, Mama and Tonge who stayed longer than their time and place should have allowed! It also implies, as I have said many times, that Ric's time and place at Stoke City had gone and that he received absolutely no contract offer from us! As good a job as TP has done, he remains a two faced fucker who is nigh on impossible to love in my household! i believe he WAS infact offered a new contract extension of 1 year but he wanted more than a year. Yeah, cos you know dont you. Whereas DJ, will actually know SGS
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Post by jarhead on Aug 25, 2012 19:17:11 GMT
Biggest hypocrite in world football TP and the biggest bullshitter aswell.
PULIS OUT
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Post by Stokieson on Aug 25, 2012 19:21:51 GMT
Without wishing to get involved in any pointless debate on Ricardo Fuller I do have to have my say on suggestion that we were safe by Christmas. That's really just nonsense. TP was so concerned by our league form that he surrendered the away toe in Valencia to concentrate on the next two league home games against Swansea and Norwich. As the manager, who has made Premier League survival his absolute priority, he is absolutely entitled to do this. And the hard truth is that we won both of those games. Vindication if you like. Going into those two games though TP was clearly very aware of the possibility of being sucked into the relegation mire. And that's why he did what he did in Spain. We were much, much more comfortable in the two previous seasons. It simply isn't right to suggest Pulis was vindicated by the post-Valencia league victories. The counterfactual is not that we would have lost the games had he not thrown the Valencia game, it is that we may have found them slightly more challenging. But they were bread-and-butter home league games about inferior opposition who we should have taken points off even if some of the players were a bit jaded, or there were a sprinkling of second choice players. The Valencia game was one of the biggest in our entire history, and Pulis displayed an absolute poverty of ambition, throwing away a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity in order to secure mid-table mediocrity in the premier league. The essence of sport is competition, trying to win things, not trying to come in the middle of things. I'm not even sure I agree that Pulis is entitled to choose his priorities in this way. Sure, it's his job and he lives and dies by these choices, but on a moral level this is a club we as fans have invested an awful lot in and I don't think it's right that he can decide our European adventure (the only one in my lifetime) isn't worth bothering with. What's the point of Stoke City if we don't try and win things when the rare chance comes along? Pulis is a Stoke legend for what he's done in recent years, but I don't think I can ever forgive him for Valencia. It still makes me angry today! Incidentally, I actually agree with him letting Ric go, I think the time had come (provided we replace him with another flair player, which we haven't yet...), but I do concede it looks like double standards to "look after" certain players whilst saying about Ric that it's time he went.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2012 19:45:05 GMT
People are losing interest though Swampy and it is burying head in sand time if people fail to see or accept that.
I can't even get a car full for Wigan next week. Hell, I can't even get one person to come with me. In our darker days, we often put two in the boot of an estate car to go to the likes of Huddersfield and Tranmere.
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Post by knype on Aug 25, 2012 19:49:17 GMT
People are losing interest though Swampy and it is burying head in sand time if people fail to see or accept that. I can't even get a car full for Wigan next week. Hell, I can't even get one person to come with me. In our darker days, we often put two in the boot of an estate car to go to the likes of Huddersfield and Tranmere. Johnno, you are right and that is because people are realising what a shambles we are away from home....
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Post by jarhead on Aug 25, 2012 20:09:57 GMT
Last night on P&G Pulis was asked when seeing 3,000 at Reading he said they were fantastic but we will need them more at home ie i aint attacking away im wank so i dont give a fuck about the away support!!!
Anyone for Chelsea only £50/£47 each to watch SURRENDER football!!!
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Post by huthslovechild on Aug 25, 2012 20:26:33 GMT
you boys are not looking at the bigger picture,jarhead ,pullis out come on lad,i have never ever come away from a game we have won pissed off that we have not played well,or been happy that we played well but lost 3-0,it doesnt work like that,no matter what ,if we win you never blame the manager or the players,as for fuller top man but time to move on thats life in football
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Post by jarhead on Aug 25, 2012 21:25:58 GMT
Sidibe by now,Diao certainly 3 seasons ago should of gone because they have NOTHING to offer but Ric did!
Badly badly treated in my book.
He was OUR only hope of excitement at a game!
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