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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 12:02:52 GMT
I just think its a case that we've decided to call time on it, mate.
I don't agree that it is the right time but I don't get paid to make the decisions and Tone does.
Given the utterly useless old shite we've had on the books and seemingly not worried I think it's a little odd but I still don't think Ric ever truly regained favour after the Blackpool game.
Managers make decisions based on far less so I don't see it as a conspiracy theory more that Tone made his bed after that game.
Because as you rightly say, the gaffer loves Ric we never cut him out totally due to what he'd done for the club but the expiry of a contract probably seemed the most pain free way of letting him go.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 12:03:26 GMT
What makes bunny so believable? He wanks over Fuller just as much as you and davejonno do Jamo. That's why I don't believe anything davejonno says about Fuller either. So you're calling him a liar? Just to be clear.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 21, 2012 12:06:04 GMT
Ricardo Fuller would be the best striker on our books of he signed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D When fit, by an absolute country mile. A class above dross like Jerome.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 12:07:43 GMT
When fit, by an absolute country mile. A class above dross like Jerome. "When fit" - he's not though, far from it. When he does get fit he'd still be nowhere near Crouchie's class.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 12:08:30 GMT
What makes bunny so believable? He wanks over Fuller just as much as you and davejonno do Jamo. That's why I don't believe anything davejonno says about Fuller either. So you're calling him a liar? Just to be clear. Tick, tock.
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 21, 2012 12:09:07 GMT
Yes I am. I don't believe a word he says When players park up and walk into the ground, there are 20-30 people waiting for autographs. Only bunny spoke to Ric and asked him a question, but nobody else overheard? Yeah yeah...
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Aug 21, 2012 12:09:28 GMT
Isnt Ricardo doing exactly what Owen is doing simply waiting for his best offer and signing at the last possible moment.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 12:10:24 GMT
Isnt Ricardo doing exactly what Owen is doing simply waiting for his best offer and signing at the last possible moment. That’s how I see it. Ric still hasn’t got a club. That is down to 1 of 2 things: - 1) No one has come in for him, which would be very telling if true 2) He’s had offers but he’s holding out for more or he’s waiting for a bigger/better club to come in for him Either way, I don’t see how you can differentiate between him and Owen and what they are currently doing. Owen is holding out for the best deal he can get but it sounds like he’ll jack it in if he doesn’t get the deal he wants, at the level he wants. I wouldn’t go as far as to say his hearts not in it anymore but you certainly get the impression he hasn’t got the passion or desire he had for the sport a few years ago. I get a similar feeling from Ric. This isn’t about slating Ric or forgetting what he did for us. He is and always will be a legend but some people need to move on.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 12:13:42 GMT
Yes I am. I don't believe a word he says When players park up and walk into the ground, there are 20-30 people waiting for autographs. Only bunny spoke to Ric and asked him a question, but nobody else overheard? Yeah yeah... See there you go making random bullshit up again. Bunny was on a stadium tour and got speaking to Ric. I received the text about 30 seconds later. Don't judge everyone else by your own Jackanory made up bullshit standards. We know you're a liar after your complete fabrication about me not wanting to see Crouch do well. Your record isn't exactly blemish free is it? Bunny is a mate, a good writer and a decent bloke. He certainly isn't a liar.
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 21, 2012 12:15:10 GMT
So because bunny is a decent bloke, everything he says is gospel? Cool.
How about people who are not his mate? Have they got to believe everything he says too?
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2012 12:15:17 GMT
Yes I am. I don't believe a word he says When players park up and walk into the ground, there are 20-30 people waiting for autographs. Only bunny spoke to Ric and asked him a question, but nobody else overheard? Yeah yeah... See there you go making random bullshit up again. Bunny was on a stadium tour and got speaking to Ric. I received the text about 30 seconds later. Don't judge everyone else by your own Jackanory made up bullshit standards. We know you're a liar after your complete fabrication about me not wanting to see Crouch do well. Your record isn't exactly blemish free is it? Bunny is a mate, a good writer and a decent bloke. He certainly isn't a liar. imho Ric has been told if he can't get himself a deal elsewhere to come back & talk to Stoke no more no less
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 12:17:08 GMT
So because bunny is a decent bloke, everything he says is gospel? Cool. How about people who are not his mate? Have they got to believe everything he says too? See I can call you a liar because I have evidence. You can't call Bunny one because you have none. That's basically how it works.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 21, 2012 12:18:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 12:18:21 GMT
Nobody knows for sure whether Ric was offered a new contract or not. It has to be one of the below scenarios: - * We offered him a deal and he wanted more so he decided to shop around. * He made his intentions clear from the start and we knew we couldn't meet his demands (whether it was weekly wage or length of contract) so we never offered him anything and allowed him to move on. * We never offered him anything so he effectively was released by the club and told to move on Of all the 3, the last one if surely the least likely. how about:- * he demanded £60k per week, we wouldn't pay it, he tried to get a move to Sunderland, which fell through, by which point he'd put TP's nose out of joint and was never ever going to get a new deal offered to him. If there's truth in the way that the Sunderland thing unfolded, then this would make perfect sense to me. You cross Pulis, there's only one end result...
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Post by thebaker on Aug 21, 2012 12:23:43 GMT
Nobody knows for sure whether Ric was offered a new contract or not. It has to be one of the below scenarios: - * We offered him a deal and he wanted more so he decided to shop around. * He made his intentions clear from the start and we knew we couldn't meet his demands (whether it was weekly wage or length of contract) so we never offered him anything and allowed him to move on. * We never offered him anything so he effectively was released by the club and told to move on Of all the 3, the last one if surely the least likely. how about:- * he demanded £60k per week, we wouldn't pay it, he tried to get a move to Sunderland, which feel through, by which point he'd put TP's nose out of joint and was never ever going to get a new deal offered to him. If there's truth in the way that the Sunderland thing unfolded, then this would make perfect sense to me. You cross Pulis, there's only one end result... This. Fuller tried to hold the club to ransom, after that he hardly played again, even when he wasn't injured.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 12:25:55 GMT
how about:- * he demanded £60k per week, we wouldn't pay it, he tried to get a move to Sunderland, which feel through, by which point he'd put TP's nose out of joint and was never ever going to get a new deal offered to him. If there's truth in the way that the Sunderland thing unfolded, then this would make perfect sense to me. You cross Pulis, there's only one end result... This. Fuller tried to hold the club to ransom, after that he hardly played again, even when he wasn't injured. How do you hold a club to ransom when you aren't negotiating a new contract? I'm curious to the workings of this theory. Oh, there aren't any are there?
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 21, 2012 12:29:10 GMT
Some sage advice for you chaps...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 12:29:50 GMT
This. Fuller tried to hold the club to ransom, after that he hardly played again, even when he wasn't injured. How do you hold a club to ransom when you aren't negotiating a new contract? I'm curious to the workings of this theory. Oh, there aren't any are there? I'm not sure that there was any 'ransom' scenario but I would understand Pulis being less than impressed with the wage demand/Sunderland saga..and would see why he might have made up his mind there and then to not offer any new terms..
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 21, 2012 12:49:35 GMT
Isnt Ricardo doing exactly what Owen is doing simply waiting for his best offer and signing at the last possible moment. That’s how I see it. Ric still hasn’t got a club. That is down to 1 of 2 things: - 1) No one has come in for him, which would be very telling if true 2) He’s had offers but he’s holding out for more or he’s waiting for a bigger/better club to come in for him Either way, I don’t see how you can differentiate between him and Owen and what they are currently doing. Owen is holding out for the best deal he can get but it sounds like he’ll jack it in if he doesn’t get the deal he wants, at the level he wants. I wouldn’t go as far as to say his hearts not in it anymore but you certainly get the impression he hasn’t got the passion or desire he had for the sport a few years ago. I get a similar feeling from Ric. This isn’t about slating Ric or forgetting what he did for us. He is and always will be a legend but some people need to move on. In my opinion I don't think that Ric has had any offers! Maybe Pulis was right to release him, the problem is that we won't know until Ric is actually playing for someone!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2012 13:07:35 GMT
I thought that Jokelad had the monopoly on posting absolute bollocks where Ricardo Fuller and his outlandish demands are concerned but clearly that is not the case.
There are apparently even more people on this earth as stupid as he is!
JOKELAD - I am a liar now am I? Be sure to come up and see me on Sunday and give me the opportunity to respond in person. I sit in the Seddon Stand, Block 30, Row 23, Seat 393.
My posts on the Ricardo Fuller situation have been ultra consistent and started back in December 2010 when I posted on here that there had been a fall out because Fuller wasn't given an extended contract, on the same terms, at a time when the contract extensions were handed out to Pugh, Higgy, Nash, Mama and Rory.
The only reason moves to Sunderland and Birmingham (3m + Ricardo Fuller was agreed for Cameron Jerome but Ric refused to leave) was because Ricardo Fuller didn't want to leave Stoke City.
I have absolutely no reason to lie and would be as disgusted as any supporter had Ric tried to hold the club to ransom. The fact is, he didn't and that is 100% fact and 100% true.
EVERYTHING that I have posted on this matter, taking personal opinion out of the equation, has come to fruition which gives the validity required to any ITK source. My source on this is absolutely impeccable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2012 13:13:41 GMT
I thought that Jokelad had the monopoly on posting absolute bollocks where Ricardo Fuller and his outlandish demands are concerned but clearly that is not the case. There are apparently even more people on this earth as stupid as he is! JOKELAD - I am a liar now am I? Be sure to come up and see me on Sunday and give me the opportunity to respond in person. I sit in the Seddon Stand, Block 30, Row 23, Seat 393. My posts on the Ricardo Fuller situation have been ultra consistent and started back in December 2010 when I posted on here that there had been a fall out because Fuller wasn't given an extended contract, on the same terms, at a time when the contract extensions were handed out to Pugh, Higgy, Nash, Mama and Rory. The only reason moves to Sunderland and Birmingham (3m + Ricardo Fuller was agreed for Cameron Jerome but Ric refused to leave) was because Ricardo Fuller didn't want to leave Stoke City. I have absolutely no reason to lie and would be as disgusted as any supporter had Ric tried to hold the club to ransom. The fact is, he didn't and that is 100% fact and 100% true. EVERYTHING that I have posted on this matter, taking personal opinion out of the equation, has come to fruition which gives the validity required to any ITK source. My source on this is absolutely impeccable. He loves golf and gardening?
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 13:13:56 GMT
Surely the extensions given to Pugh, Nash, Mama etc were nowhere near in the region of the wages that Ric was on?
Why is that even brought into the argument?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2012 13:15:15 GMT
Surely the extensions given to Pugh, Nash, Mama etc were nowhere near in the region of the wages that Ric was on? Why is that even brought into the argument? Because they didn't deserve one and Ric did?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 13:17:40 GMT
Surely the extensions given to Pugh, Nash, Mama etc were nowhere near in the region of the wages that Ric was on? Why is that even brought into the argument? Because they didn't deserve one and Ric did? And if you added up all their wages and looked at what they in their sum total could potentially give/have given to Stoke (no offence to any of them) and what Ric could potentially give to Stoke, it would be a no brainer really.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 13:20:27 GMT
Surely the extensions given to Pugh, Nash, Mama etc were nowhere near in the region of the wages that Ric was on? Why is that even brought into the argument? Because they didn't deserve one and Ric did? Surely you don't treat them all the same though? Nash is number 3 GK. He will no doubt be on a relatively small wage, in comparison to most first teamers. Pulis has stated before he has wanted to have 3 GK's on the books so it makes sense to have someone like Nash on the books. Players like Pugh were useful squad members too who were "value" given the relevant wage he was probably on. Its not as clear cut as "Ric deserves one more than Nash so it's wrong" surely?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2012 13:21:21 GMT
Because they didn't deserve one and Ric did? And if you added up all their wages and looked at what they in their sum total could potentially give/have given to Stoke (no offence to any of them) and what Ric could potentially give to Stoke, it would be a no brainer really. Yup! Extensions were being handed to everyone, yet Ric didn't get one. Michael friggin' Tonge even got one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2012 13:23:42 GMT
Because they didn't deserve one and Ric did? Surely you don't treat them all the same though? Nash is number 3 GK. He will no doubt be on a relatively small wage, in comparison to most first teamers. Pulis has stated before he has wanted to have 3 GK's on the books so it makes sense to have someone like Nash on the books. Players like Pugh were useful squad members too who were "value" given the relevant wage he was probably on. Its not as clear cut as "Ric deserves one more than Nash so it's wrong" surely? I agree re Nash. I reckon Pugh was on more than You're giving him credit for. I don't know what he was on but I would have thought it was easily in 5 figures. I never rated Pugh anyway so I don't think he deserved one even as back up because he was poor back up. Mama should have been let go 2/3 years ago.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 13:25:25 GMT
Surely you don't treat them all the same though? Nash is number 3 GK. He will no doubt be on a relatively small wage, in comparison to most first teamers. Pulis has stated before he has wanted to have 3 GK's on the books so it makes sense to have someone like Nash on the books. Players like Pugh were useful squad members too who were "value" given the relevant wage he was probably on. Its not as clear cut as "Ric deserves one more than Nash so it's wrong" surely? I agree re Nash. I reckon Pugh was on more than You're giving him credit for. I don't know what he was on but I would have thought it was easily in 5 figures. I never rated Pugh anyway so I don't think he deserved one even as back up because he was poor back up. Mama should have been let go 2/3 years ago. They all had promotion bonuses in their deals. That's why Cress (God love him) was on 17k a week. Pughy got a new deal as well so he would have been on that plus a bit by the end of his spell here.
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Post by swarls on Aug 21, 2012 13:25:32 GMT
I still think that Jerome has something to prove here, He hardly get's amy game time, I think if we played him more he'd show us what he's got.
I wouldn't mind seeing him in SJW role in all fairness.
Other wise if he's not getting any game time, what was the point in buying him!
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 13:26:01 GMT
I still don’t think it’s that clear cut. Squads can be split up into different categories of players: -
Prized assets
Important first team players
Fringe players
Squad cover/back up
Michael Tonge
Just because some of the fringe players/squad cover get offered new contracts, it doesn’t mean the Management value them over the Fuller’s of this world.
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