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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Aug 21, 2012 1:45:44 GMT
Ricardo Fuller would be the best striker on our books of he signed. Not based on goals he wouldn't be. 4 in just under 50 appearances although yes he brought a lot more to the team and WAS fantastic for us. Seems he may be looking for a big last pay day and so far no takers. Bruce wanted him when he was at Sunderland and he wanted to go so may explain our lack of loyalty to him now.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 21, 2012 8:43:20 GMT
Ricardo Fuller would be the best striker on our books of he signed. Not based on goals he wouldn't be. 4 in just under 50 appearances although yes he brought a lot more to the team and WAS fantastic for us. Seems he may be looking for a big last pay day and so far no takers. Bruce wanted him when he was at Sunderland and he wanted to go so may explain our lack of loyalty to him now. We have a major problem with chance creation. Last week, in around 70 minutes of playing up front together, Walters and Crouch failed to conjure up a single chance between them, or win a single set piece. Actually, I think Walters may have won a throw-in in the first half, which was pointless as there was no long throw expert on the pitch. Last season, when Fuller played on the left wing at QPR, despite being lacking any sort of match fitness he won us a raft of set pieces on his own and created a few chances. He did the same when he came on against Everton and so on. That was before he had a chance to get fit or anything. We already have a player playing deep, sacrificing the goal threat of the second striker. It doesn't seem so abominable to me to have a low scoring striker (who has reached double figures before) playing in the team for the sake of chance creation.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 8:45:37 GMT
Ricardo Fuller would be the best striker on our books of he signed. Not based on goals he wouldn't be. 4 in just under 50 appearances although yes he brought a lot more to the team and WAS fantastic for us. Seems he may be looking for a big last pay day and so far no takers. Bruce wanted him when he was at Sunderland and he wanted to go so may explain our lack of loyalty to him now. Eh? We accepted an offer for a player and that shows a lack of loyalty from the player? You couldn't make this shit up!
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 9:05:45 GMT
Ricardo Fuller would be the best striker on our books of he signed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gb on Aug 21, 2012 9:24:21 GMT
I would prefer Stoke to resign Fuller than go for Owen . The only thing Owen is interested in is his nags ,
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 9:31:21 GMT
I would prefer Stoke to resign Fuller than go for Owen . The only thing Owen is interested in is his nags , So you'll criticise Owen for not signing up for a club yet but its okay for Ric?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2012 9:33:28 GMT
I am trying my best not to respond to yet more drivel Jamo! Missing a pre-season, given that he missed the last one as well, will certainly not do Ric any favours and like Mr Owen, a pre-season would have been crucial for him. Who's to say he hasn't been doing his own pre-season training, in much the same way that Owen reportedly has anyway? I hope Ric finds a club soon and I hope that the fans of that club get to appreciate him much like the vast majority of us Stokies did.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 9:36:48 GMT
I am trying my best not to respond to yet more drivel Jamo! Missing a pre-season, given that he missed the last one as well, will certainly not do Ric any favours and like Mr Owen, a pre-season would have been crucial for him. Who's to say he hasn't been doing his own pre-season training, in much the same way that Owen reportedly has anyway? I hope Ric finds a club soon and I hope that the fans of that club get to appreciate him much like the vast majority of us Stokies did. Maybe Ric has been keeping in shape, who knows? If you were a bookmaker though you'd certainly have short odds on it being the opposite. He got married over the Summer too so that's probably taken up a few weeks of his time.
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Post by jollypotter89 on Aug 21, 2012 9:39:00 GMT
Said this before but how do we know he's past it, last season, after returning from injury, he was played out on the left 90% of time, and looked lost, not necessarily because he's past it but because he's clearly not a winger!
I'd have liked to have seen him have a run in the team alongside Crouch but we never got to see it last season
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Post by stillgame4it on Aug 21, 2012 10:18:04 GMT
As per the current "vogue" for pay-as-you-play deals, would it not be an option to offer him one of these? Assuming he does not get a better permanent contract deal elsewhere, would this not fit both parties: wages for Ric, an available impact player (or sub?) for Stoke? Even if it came down to a question of complying with the squad size, i can think of a coupe of players that should get bumped out before Ric! or am I being too simplistic / naive?
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Post by stantheman on Aug 21, 2012 10:55:40 GMT
Just remind me what we offered; Delap Woodgate Sidibe and someone who cost us next to nothing, having scored 50 x goals for the club, gets completely shafted.
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 21, 2012 10:59:31 GMT
Woodgate was only here for 12 months, so you can't really call that favouritism can you stan?
Plus I wouldn't be surprised if Delap and Sidibe are on less that Soares and Davies. So not bank busters are they?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 11:07:36 GMT
Woodgate was only here for 12 months, so you can't really call that favouritism can you stan? Plus I wouldn't be surprised if Delap and Sidibe are on less that Soares and Davies. So not bank busters are they? Why offer Woodgate and Mama deals at all though? Neither are up to the job, Rory I can just about see as he will be used as a sub late on or if we are short in midfield. The big difference is that they were offered deals and it appears Ric hasn't been offered one. Don't get me started on Tonge and Soares!
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 11:12:00 GMT
Just remind me what we offered; Delap Woodgate Sidibe and someone who cost us next to nothing, having scored 50 x goals for the club, gets completely shafted. I'm not sure "completely shafted" are the right words for somebody who is a Millionaire on the back of wages he's been paid by the club.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 21, 2012 11:13:19 GMT
Woodgate was only here for 12 months, so you can't really call that favouritism can you stan? Plus I wouldn't be surprised if Delap and Sidibe are on less that Soares and Davies. So not bank busters are they? Why offer Woodgate and Mama deals at all though? Neither are up to the job, Rory I can just about see as he will be used as a sub late on or if we are short in midfield. The big difference is that they were offered deals and it appears Ric hasn't been offered one. Don't get me started on Tonge and Soares! I assume that Rory and Mama are in there just as back up or as players to fill our 25 man squad. I have no problem with either really as they are good pro's and set decent examples in the dressing room. I don't expect them to make more than 15 appearences between them this season (although judging by Rory's appearence at the weekend ... ) From a buisness perspective you would rather have a guy on £10k a week (Mama) on the bench and not playing very often than someone who's on nearer £40k a week (Ric). Well that's what I assume we've done anyways!
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Post by thebaker on Aug 21, 2012 11:14:55 GMT
Just remind me what we offered; Delap Woodgate Sidibe and someone who cost us next to nothing, having scored 50 x goals for the club, gets completely shafted. I'm not sure "completely shafted" are the right words for somebody who is a Millionaire on the back of wages he's been paid by the club. You are talking about a bloke who demanded £60k and asked for a move to Sunderland. He let himself down badly and has got his just-deserts
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 11:21:45 GMT
I'm not sure "completely shafted" are the right words for somebody who is a Millionaire on the back of wages he's been paid by the club. You are talking about a bloke who demanded £60k and asked for a move to Sunderland. He let himself down badly and has got his just-deserts Complete horseshit. No offence.
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Post by gezzer on Aug 21, 2012 11:21:45 GMT
Much as I liked Ric he has had his day, he showed last season that besides fitness, he just lacked that old 'Ric Magic'. A few good touches now and then but is this the basis to keep him on the books....pleeeeaase. What the club needs is a good current striker which will cost lots and PC won't splash that cash. To rely on a Saviour from a free transfer is bonkers (so fuck of with the Owen nonsense), survive this season in the Prem and look to buy one good player next season who can score.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 21, 2012 11:24:43 GMT
Much as I liked Ric he has had his day, he showed last season that besides fitness, he just lacked that old 'Ric Magic'. A few good touches now and then but is this the basis to keep him on the books....pleeeeaase. What the club needs is a good current striker which will cost lots and PC won't splash that cash. To rely on a Saviour from a free transfer is bonkers (so fuck of with the Owen nonsense), survive this season in the Prem and look to buy one good player next season who can score. In my opinion we need a young goalscorer. I wouldn't want us to sign another striker in or around their 30's. I'm surprised no one, (from the Premier League that is), has gone for Rhodes from Huddersfield. That's the sort of young up and coming talent we should be looking at (players with re-sale value!)
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Post by gezzer on Aug 21, 2012 11:28:16 GMT
[/quote] In my opinion we need a young goalscorer. I wouldn't want us to sign another striker in or around their 30's.
I'm surprised no one, (from the Premier League that is), has gone for Rhodes from Huddersfield. That's the sort of young up and coming talent we should be looking at (players with re-sale value!)[/quote] Isn't that what all that money spent on the Academy is supposed to be for ....bring through new talent?
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 11:33:08 GMT
Nobody knows for sure whether Ric was offered a new contract or not. It has to be one of the below scenarios: -
* We offered him a deal and he wanted more so he decided to shop around.
* He made his intentions clear from the start and we knew we couldn't meet his demands (whether it was weekly wage or length of contract) so we never offered him anything and allowed him to move on.
* We never offered him anything so he effectively was released by the club and told to move on
Of all the 3, the last one if surely the least likely.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 11:35:51 GMT
Nobody knows for sure whether Ric was offered a new contract or not. It has to be one of the below scenarios: - * We offered him a deal and he wanted more so he decided to shop around. * He made his intentions clear from the start and we knew we couldn't meet his demands (whether it was weekly wage or length of contract) so we never offered him anything and allowed him to move on. * We never offered him anything so he effectively was released by the club and told to move on Of all the 3, the last one if surely the least likely. Ric himself told Bunny we didn't offer a contract to him, Tom.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 11:36:54 GMT
Nobody knows for sure whether Ric was offered a new contract or not. It has to be one of the below scenarios: - * We offered him a deal and he wanted more so he decided to shop around. * He made his intentions clear from the start and we knew we couldn't meet his demands (whether it was weekly wage or length of contract) so we never offered him anything and allowed him to move on. * We never offered him anything so he effectively was released by the club and told to move on Of all the 3, the last one if surely the least likely. Ric himself told Bunny we didn't offer a contract to him, Tom. I find that hard to believe Jamo.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 11:42:07 GMT
Ric himself told Bunny we didn't offer a contract to him, Tom. I find that hard to believe Jamo. Well either one or both are lying Tom and I'd prefer to believe it straight from the horses mouth. The question you have to ask is why would Ric lie? He'd got absolutely nothing to gain from not being totally honest to a fan who merely asked a question to him privately on the last day of the season. Let's put it this way, it's holds more water than the shite Stokelad keeps referring to!
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 11:45:23 GMT
Would you expect Ric to say "They've offered me 30k and a 1 year deal but I want 50k and 2 years so I'm going to try and find a club willing to give it to me?"
I'm not saying the above it true, I'm just saying you should take a pinch of salt with anything a footballer ever says.
Ric is a fans favourite so people are always going to believe him or want to think the best of him.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 11:47:58 GMT
Would you expect Ric to say "They've offered me 30k and a 1 year deal but I want 50k and 2 years so I'm going to try and find a club willing to give it to me?" I'm not saying the above it true, I'm just saying you should take a pinch of salt with anything a footballer ever says. Ric is a fans favourite so people are always going to believe him or want to think the best of him. It wasn't that detailed a question mate. Bunny simply asked if he'd been offered owt which requires a "yes" or "no" answer without giving details. The answer was "no" though.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 11:49:35 GMT
Pinch of salt, Jamo.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2012 11:52:50 GMT
Thing is though mate we react on here to all kinds of shit that is either in the papers or people hear but this was uttered by the bloke himself. Of course there are no guarantees but I'd sooner take a pinch than a bucket load of salt!
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Post by superjonnywalters on Aug 21, 2012 11:58:02 GMT
As I said in my original post mate, it could be the case that we've offered him nothing and effectively shown him the door. If that is the case then there has to be something more going on that we don't know about. Pulis loves Ric and always has done. There's not many that get the leeway he does.
He even lost us a game once after smacking one of our own and he was the one that came out smelling of roses with the other packed off!!
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 21, 2012 12:02:06 GMT
What makes bunny so believable? He wanks over Fuller just as much as you and davejonno do Jamo. That's why I don't believe anything davejonno says about Fuller either.
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