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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 12:09:38 GMT
Of course he doesn't want to leave, no one else wants him and he has one of the safest jobs in the Prem at the moment. H RAF: Pulis has got the safest job in the Premiership because he's on the Chairman's wavelength* and he has done all/and more than the Chairman could reasonably have expected. He doesn't keep him in a job because he LIKES him but because he's very good at his job. Over the years, Coates has sacked an awful lot of managers. *Except when it comes to youth development and the academy!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 15, 2012 12:22:54 GMT
RAF: Pulis has got the safest job in the Premiership because he's on the Chairman's wavelength* and he has done all/and more than the Chairman could reasonably have expected. He doesn't keep him in a job because he LIKES him but because he's very good at his job. Over the years, Coates has sacked an awful lot of managers. *Except when it comes to youth development and the academy! I think an awful lot of assumptions are made in that area bayern. In a recent interview Pulis said that his Chairman would love to see a Stoke team in the Premiership full of home-grown players, born in Stoke. He then went on to say, I'd love that happen but only if they're GOOD ENOUGH. Sounds sensible to me.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 15, 2012 12:26:00 GMT
Of course he doesn't want to leave, no one else wants him and he has one of the safest jobs in the Prem at the moment. H plus the fact that Pulis was employed to do a certain job at Stoke. he already had a proven track record as a manager at that level when we brought him in and then consolidated that by getting us promoted and has shown he can also compete at this higher level since promotion, whereas Marshall had not had any proven track record at the level he would have had to play in (i.e.a Premiership club) and the track record at the lower level didn't show he was up to the mark at this level......using Pulis as a comparison doesn't really work for your argument RAF as Pulis already had proved himself BEFORE we just "gave him a chance" whereas Marshall hadn't. do you genuinely think that if another manager had got us promoted then been sacked that we'd have just slung Pulis into the job with no experience or track record? of course we wouldn't, far too big a risk to take to just throw someone in in the Prem and just see if it works when they have no experience and haven't shown they may be up to the job as they have no background..same goes for players! you can't just "Give them a go and see what happens" in the Prem as being able to tell whether they will do well would take a few games and you don't have the luxury of that time in the Prem to risk it. Bet you rubbed your hands together when you logged on to see the title of this thread this morning, didn't you.?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 12:26:01 GMT
*Except when it comes to youth development and the academy! I think an awful lot of assumptions are made in that area bayern. In a recent interview Pulis said that his Chairman would love to see a Stoke team in the Premiership full of home-grown players, born in Stoke. He then went on to say, I'd love that happen but only if they're GOOD ENOUGH. Sounds sensible to me. TP has no interest in the area, he's proved this over his career. He wanted to shut the academy ffs. It's just not his thing. I also know for a fact the training ground was built for the academy first and foremost and the benefits for the first team are a nice bonus that were used to keep TP happy. When I got told (first hand by someone at the club who should know) it made me smile.
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 15, 2012 12:30:46 GMT
How many games did Nick Powell play in the Prem before a top side noticed him? We could go on like this all day! He probably should have been given a chance, at least in cup games, but he wasn't, and at the moment, we don't look likely to regret that decision. I can't help but feel he might have been a bit of a moaning bellend, and that perhaps didn't help his cause. On the other hand he might have been treated incredibly unfairly. Either way, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, given Pulis' past record of selling/releasing players, i'm going to hedge my bets that Marshall isn't all that amazing. Man Yoo fans were comparing him to Bebe yesterday. Nobody is saying he is amazing. Are they? Is he a Premier League player ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 12:36:56 GMT
plus the fact that Pulis was employed to do a certain job at Stoke. he already had a proven track record as a manager at that level when we brought him in and then consolidated that by getting us promoted and has shown he can also compete at this higher level since promotion, whereas Marshall had not had any proven track record at the level he would have had to play in (i.e.a Premiership club) and the track record at the lower level didn't show he was up to the mark at this level......using Pulis as a comparison doesn't really work for your argument RAF as Pulis already had proved himself BEFORE we just "gave him a chance" whereas Marshall hadn't. do you genuinely think that if another manager had got us promoted then been sacked that we'd have just slung Pulis into the job with no experience or track record? of course we wouldn't, far too big a risk to take to just throw someone in in the Prem and just see if it works when they have no experience and haven't shown they may be up to the job as they have no background..same goes for players! you can't just "Give them a go and see what happens" in the Prem as being able to tell whether they will do well would take a few games and you don't have the luxury of that time in the Prem to risk it. The only thing Pulis had done before he was given the chance with us and along with that the biggest budget of any Stoke manager in history was a firefighter. He was given two chances by us and on the second time of asking he achieved what he has achieved, when let's face it hardly anyone gave him a chance. My point is it's a shame Marshall didn't get a chance, especially as we were suffering with discipline and injuries at the time. H really? i was under the impression that he'd had 10 years managerial experience before first joining us and then when he did join us kept us up when we looked like going down and then when he came back narrowly missed out on play off then got us promoted? i must have been wrong i guess my point is that you don't just give a completely untested player a "Chance" in the Prem ifthey haven't proved in training and on loan spells that they are up to the job...as has previously been pointed out, i think that the management/coaching staff who saw him everyday at training would have seen a bit more of him than we have and i'm pretty sure they would have asked for feedback from the clubs he'd been on loan to as well. do you honestly think that Pulis didn't bother watching him train and didn't monitor anything whilst he was on loan? seriously? genuinely? do you not think that if he was as good as people on here make out that there would have been rucks of clubs from the Championship in for him (probably even a couple of Prem sides)? fair enough i know some people have it in for TP (and they have every right to-it's their opinion) but if you genuinely think that the management didn't watch him train, didn't get feedback for his loand clubs and just thought "Nah he's young so probably crap because i don't like young players" then i think the PHW levels have risen to a new high! yes, at times he DOES get tactics wrong, selections wrong etc. (as does EVERY manager) but he hasn't had a 20 year managerial career for nothing, he's not a complete idiot with no clue who can't manage and just sods players off for no reason whatsoever........... but as we all know, people on here know FAR more about all of our players than any of the staff who watch them every day don't they i presume you'll be calling for Dale Eve to be starting on Saturday ahead of Sorro or Begovic? after all, he's an international player, why not just sling him in and give him a chance eh? or is he not the same because he hasn't had as much coverage on this board as yet so isn't as much of a talking point?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 12:39:35 GMT
He proved himself on loan. Managers and fans a like gave him glowing references and alluded to him being capable of playing at a higher level.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 12:41:12 GMT
plus the fact that Pulis was employed to do a certain job at Stoke. he already had a proven track record as a manager at that level when we brought him in and then consolidated that by getting us promoted and has shown he can also compete at this higher level since promotion, whereas Marshall had not had any proven track record at the level he would have had to play in (i.e.a Premiership club) and the track record at the lower level didn't show he was up to the mark at this level......using Pulis as a comparison doesn't really work for your argument RAF as Pulis already had proved himself BEFORE we just "gave him a chance" whereas Marshall hadn't. do you genuinely think that if another manager had got us promoted then been sacked that we'd have just slung Pulis into the job with no experience or track record? of course we wouldn't, far too big a risk to take to just throw someone in in the Prem and just see if it works when they have no experience and haven't shown they may be up to the job as they have no background..same goes for players! you can't just "Give them a go and see what happens" in the Prem as being able to tell whether they will do well would take a few games and you don't have the luxury of that time in the Prem to risk it. Bet you rubbed your hands together when you logged on to see the title of this thread this morning, didn't you.? just think it's daft for people on her to presume they know far more about players they've barely seen than the management do...just yet another agenda riddled thread for people to beat TP over the head with which is a bit sad given that he's not our player and has moved on...just think it's a bit sad that some people on here can't move on too.obviously we are the only club in history to ever let a player go that MIGHT (not will, but MIGHT) be Premiership standard....Pulis out eh!
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 15, 2012 12:43:19 GMT
He did well at League 1 level, which is 2 levels beneath the club.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 15, 2012 12:44:09 GMT
I think an awful lot of assumptions are made in that area bayern. In a recent interview Pulis said that his Chairman would love to see a Stoke team in the Premiership full of home-grown players, born in Stoke. He then went on to say, I'd love that happen but only if they're GOOD ENOUGH. Sounds sensible to me. TP has no interest in the area, he's proved this over his career. He wanted to shut the academy ffs. It's just not his thing. I also know for a fact the training ground was built for the academy first and foremost and the benefits for the first team are a nice bonus that were used to keep TP happy. When I got told (first hand by someone at the club who should know) it made me smile. It's the football world we're now living in bayern with all the crap that goes with it. If managers want to keep their jobs they have to get results and so they want to sign, what they consider, to be the best players around to do the job for them. In years gone by all clubs produced youngsters through their own systems and we were as good as any at it but they were different times and there just weren't the same pressures for instant result. Of course, there's still scope to bring youngsters through and it will become essential in the future (IMO) when the finances of the English game come crashing down (as they surely will at some stage). In that respect, I think Coates is a wise old fella with much greater foresight than Pulis. But, to be fair, is it Pulis's job to worry about those things when he has enough on his hands keeping Stoke competative? Loads and loads of clubs are investing big sums in youth academies and (in the long term) it probably is the way to go but there really haven't been too many emerging through the ranks in recent years as managers tend to sign the best they can for their clubs which usually means established, proven players. It's sad that so few youngsters get a chance but it's easy to understand why and most managers operate that way.
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 15, 2012 12:44:11 GMT
Nugget.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 12:46:30 GMT
He did well at League 1 level, which is 2 levels beneath the club. Yes he did, he's young though and it's called progression me owd! He should never have gone Sheff Weds, he should have gone to the Championship on loan as he had proved himself in League One. We should have offered him a contract then and let him develop like we were. We fucked up, we've learned (see Cuvelier) which is the main thing. It's just a shame he wasn't given a chance over some of the players who were given a chance on the right last season. Barring Pennant, not one of them a winger by trade.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 12:48:49 GMT
TP has no interest in the area, he's proved this over his career. He wanted to shut the academy ffs. It's just not his thing. I also know for a fact the training ground was built for the academy first and foremost and the benefits for the first team are a nice bonus that were used to keep TP happy. When I got told (first hand by someone at the club who should know) it made me smile. It's the football world we're now living in bayern with all the crap that goes with it. If managers want to keep their jobs they have to get results and so they want to sign, what they consider, to be the best players around to do the job for them. In years gone by all clubs produced youngsters through their own systems and we were as good as any at it but they were different times and there just weren't the same pressures for instant result. Of course, there's still scope to bring youngsters through and it will become essential in the future (IMO) when the finances of the English game come crashing down (as they surely will at some stage). In that respect, I think Coates is a wise old fella with much greater foresight than Pulis. But, to be fair, is it Pulis's job to worry about those things when he has enough on his hands keeping Stoke competative? Loads and loads of clubs are investing big sums in youth academies and (in the long term) it probably is the way to go but there really haven't been too many emerging through the ranks in recent years as managers tend to sign the best they can for their clubs which usually means established, proven players. It's sad that so few youngsters get a chance but it's easy to understand why and most managers operate that way. I think managers should at least keep a decent eye on it, TP doesn't. Not many youngsters do get a chance but TP is one of the worst for it. It's not his thing, I just wish people would accept as a fault of his. ;D PM btw!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 12:50:47 GMT
He proved himself on loan. Managers and fans a like gave him glowing references and alluded to him being capable of playing at a higher level. and we therefore offere him a three year contract which HE turned down.....but as usual people then PRESUME why he refused it because it fits in with their conspiracy theories so they can blame TP for it....most people look at facts and evidence and then come to a conclusion whereas some on here start with the assumption that TP has cocked up and then work the evidence around that to fit in, where there isn't evidence they then make up what must have happened based on their own presumptions to reaffirm the idea like i said, he may or may not be Prem standard only time will tell but the simple fact is that he has moved on so why can't people on here do the same? personally i find it bizarre that people pine after Marshall and whine on about him despite the fact he never played for us and at the same time slate Ric (who has played plenty for usand been our best player in the last 10-15 years) for being "past it", "old" etc....sad sad state of affairs really are we the only club to ever let a youngster with POTENTIAL (and,at the moment, that is all it is) go? No!!! has he proven himself to be Premiership standard as yet? No!!! have we therefore any right to slag off the management for making a mistake when as yet we have no idea whether they have? No!!!.....simples!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 15, 2012 12:52:42 GMT
It's the football world we're now living in bayern with all the crap that goes with it. If managers want to keep their jobs they have to get results and so they want to sign, what they consider, to be the best players around to do the job for them. In years gone by all clubs produced youngsters through their own systems and we were as good as any at it but they were different times and there just weren't the same pressures for instant result. Of course, there's still scope to bring youngsters through and it will become essential in the future (IMO) when the finances of the English game come crashing down (as they surely will at some stage). In that respect, I think Coates is a wise old fella with much greater foresight than Pulis. But, to be fair, is it Pulis's job to worry about those things when he has enough on his hands keeping Stoke competative? Loads and loads of clubs are investing big sums in youth academies and (in the long term) it probably is the way to go but there really haven't been too many emerging through the ranks in recent years as managers tend to sign the best they can for their clubs which usually means established, proven players. It's sad that so few youngsters get a chance but it's easy to understand why and most managers operate that way. I think managers should at least keep a decent eye on it, TP doesn't. Not many youngsters do get a chance but TP is one of the worst for it. It's not his thing, I just wish people would accept as a fault of his. ;D PM btw!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 12:55:39 GMT
He proved himself on loan. Managers and fans a like gave him glowing references and alluded to him being capable of playing at a higher level. and we therefore offere him a three year contract which HE turned down.....but as usual people then PRESUME why he refused it because it fits in with their conspiracy theories so they can blame TP for it....most people look at facts and evidence and then come to a conclusion whereas some on here start with the assumption that TP has cocked up and then work the evidence around that to fit in, where there isn't evidence they then make up what must have happened based on their own presumptions to reaffirm the idea like i said, he may or may not be Prem standard only time will tell but the simple fact is that he has moved on so why can't people on here do the same? personally i find it bizarre that people pine after Marshall and whine on about him despite the fact he never played for us and at the same time slate Ric (who has played plenty for usand been our best player in the last 10-15 years) for being "past it", "old" etc....sad sad state of affairs really are we the only club to ever let a youngster with POTENTIAL (and,at the moment, that is all it is) go? No!!! has he proven himself to be Premiership standard as yet? No!!! have we therefore any right to slag off the management for making a mistake when as yet we have no idea whether they have? No!!!.....simples! We should have done it before. He had already shown enough imo. Like I said, we've learnt with Cuvelier so that's a positive. And why is it a conspiracy theory? TP is renowned throughout football for being shite when it comes to youth development, it's just something he doesn't and we have to live with it. Hopefully as it's forced on him he may change, we can only hope. I'd have Marshall and Ric here, it'd be awesome! ;D I think we do when Shotton is still considered as a right winger and there's a chance Delap can still play there too.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 15, 2012 12:57:28 GMT
Bayern: Of course you're right mate. He very much goes for proven experience over giving youngsters a chance and I really do think that Marshall could have been involved enough to, at least, make him want to stay. As it is, we'll never know if he could have done the bizz for us, sadly. You're right though, we shouldn't be talking about two extremes on this and he should try harder to include the youngsters, especially since his boss is so committed to that idea. I do think Coates has got his finger on this and I think our Academy will be a massive asset in the years to come (probably long after Pulis has gone). Thanks BTW.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 13:02:05 GMT
Bayern: Of course you're right mate. He very much goes for proven experience over giving youngsters a chance and I really do think that Marshall could have been involved enough to, at least, make him want to stay. As it is, we'll never know if he could have done the bizz for us, sadly. You're right though, we shouldn't be talking about two extremes on this and he should try harder to include the youngsters, especially since his boss is so committed to that idea. I do think Coates has got his finger on this and I think our Academy will be a massive asset in the years to come (probably long after Pulis has gone). I'd just like to see some more genuine involvement from genuine youngsters at times. Like in Istanbul or Valencia, when we had a few on the bench, the game was already lost, why not chuck them on? It's great development and nothing to lose. Shotton isn't a youngster and hasn't been for 2/3 years. At 21 they should have the basic foundations to start a proper career imo and then push from there. It's what Fergie believes in and I like that. Hopefully though like You say there will be integration and hopefully we'll get some better players through the academy. The foundations are there now and there no excuses. No worries!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 15, 2012 13:28:59 GMT
All this has set me off thinking (dangerous I know ;D). You can't help but be impressed with Peter Coates' thinking and foresight. Despite having a manager (that he trusts and admires) who will always tend to go for proven experience over youthful potential, he is investing millions and a great deal of personal energy in developing young football talent from the local area with the stated aim of (one day) having 11 local lads on the pitch playing for Stoke City. I know just how unlikely that 'dream' is but I think it's fantastic that he has it. Coates is in his 70s and may well not see his dream (or anything approaching it) come to pass but he's determined to make this happen and I have so much respect for him. I'm sure that, for now, he will fully back his manager in keeping Stoke City in the Premier League but I do see a day when the money has gone (probably to a European Super League) and the domestic league will be populated by clubs such as Stoke and, I think, be the better for it. If/When that happens there will be no more prized asset than the young, talented, inexpensive home-grown footballer.
Loads and loads of massive IFs there but I do think it's fantastic that a Chairman in his seventees is devoting so much effort to something he strongly believes will be massively important in years to come, even if he isn't around to see it. (I hope he will be).
I don't know why I'm so surprised as he's a very intelligent and forward thinking man, but I very much applaud him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 13:36:02 GMT
All this has set me off thinking (dangerous I know ;D). You can't help but be impressed with Peter Coates' thinking and foresight. Despite having a manager (that he trusts and admires) who will always tend to go for proven experience over youthful potential, he is investing millions and a great deal of personal energy in developing young football talent from the local area with the stated aim of (one day) having 11 local lads on the pitch playing for Stoke City. I know just how unlikely that 'dream' is but I think it's fantastic that he has it. Coates is in his 70s and may well not see his dream (or anything approaching it) come to pass but he's determined to make this happen and I have so much respect for him. I'm sure that, for now, he will fully back his manager in keeping Stoke City in the Premier League but I do see a day when the money has gone (probably to a European Super League) and the domestic league will be populated by clubs such as Stoke and, I think, be the better for it. If/When that happens there will be no more prized asset than the young, talented, inexpensive home-grown footballer. Loads and loads of massive IFs there but I do think it's fantastic that a Chairman in his seventees is devoting so much effort to something he strongly believes will be massively important in years to come. I don't know why I'm so surprised as he's a very intelligent and forward thinking man, but I very much applaud him. It is brilliant and it's the long foresight every club should have. Luckily he has the money to do it on a massive scale and it can only benefit us in the long term. Even if we can't keep the funding up for category 1 status in the future, we should have the facilities and know how in place to keep it going. The youth side of things has been in deterioration for 15/20 years, finally (I hope) we will see an end to this. The way it's been neglected has been shocking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 13:58:15 GMT
and we therefore offered him a three year contract which HE turned down.....but as usual people then PRESUME why he refused it because it fits in with their conspiracy theories so they can blame TP for it....most people look at facts and evidence and then come to a conclusion whereas some on here start with the assumption that TP has cocked up and then work the evidence around that to fit in, where there isn't evidence they then make up what must have happened based on their own presumptions to reaffirm the idea like i said, he may or may not be Prem standard only time will tell but the simple fact is that he has moved on so why can't people on here do the same? personally i find it bizarre that people pine after Marshall and whine on about him despite the fact he never played for us and at the same time slate Ric (who has played plenty for usand been our best player in the last 10-15 years) for being "past it", "old" etc....sad sad state of affairs really are we the only club to ever let a youngster with POTENTIAL (and,at the moment, that is all it is) go? No!!! has he proven himself to be Premiership standard as yet? No!!! have we therefore any right to slag off the management for making a mistake when as yet we have no idea whether they have? No!!!.....simples! We should have done it before. He had already shown enough imo. Like I said, we've learnt with Cuvelier so that's a positive. And why is it a conspiracy theory? TP is renowned throughout football for being shite when it comes to youth development, it's just something he doesn't and we have to live with it. Hopefully as it's forced on him he may change, we can only hope. I'd have Marshall and Ric here, it'd be awesome! ;D I think we do when Shotton is still considered as a right winger and there's a chance Delap can still play there too. we offered him a three year deal before his loan at Wednesday finihed which he initially accepted, then in the January he refused to sign it. we have no idea why he refused to sign it but to just presume it must have been something Pulis did/said is ridiculous..fair enough slag off the manager for what he does or says if you don't agree with it but far too many people on here in the absence of facts or evidence just decide what they think must have happened and slag him off based on that which is just daft imo! it could just have easily been Marshall being a bit up himself (considering that in 2009 he publically stated he was "Ready for the Premiership" based on his loan spells at Northampton and Cheltenham in League 2 for God's sake) and insisting he play, he could have fallen madly in love with a Leicester lass or decided to leave due to his love of Pork pies so wanted to be nearer to Melton Mowbray ;D.....the simple fact is that plenty of players turn down contracts for plenty of reasons but because it's Stoke and we haven't been told the reason we therefore presume "Oh, Pulis must have dropped a bollock because he should have done absolutely everything possible to keep the lad because he's thrived in League 1 & 2 so might,possibly,maye be the new Messi" i just get peed off with threads which are obviously there to have a go at the manager when we don't even know if it's the manager of player to blame,it's just presumed it must be TP so we can therefore slate him. yes, you're right he doesn't have a great track record with youngsters but at the same time he did offer this one a 3 year deal which the player himself rejected.makes it difficult to gain a track record with youngsters when they turn down contracts and bugger off
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 14:04:12 GMT
We should have done it before. He had already shown enough imo. Like I said, we've learnt with Cuvelier so that's a positive. And why is it a conspiracy theory? TP is renowned throughout football for being shite when it comes to youth development, it's just something he doesn't and we have to live with it. Hopefully as it's forced on him he may change, we can only hope. I'd have Marshall and Ric here, it'd be awesome! ;D I think we do when Shotton is still considered as a right winger and there's a chance Delap can still play there too. we offered him a three year deal before his loan at Wednesday finihed which he initially accepted, then in the January he refused to sign it. we have no idea why he refused to sign it but to just presume it must have been something Pulis did/said is ridiculous..fair enough slag off the manager for what he does or says if you don't agree with it but far too many people on here in the absence of facts or evidence just decide what they think must have happened and slag him off based on that which is just daft imo! it could just have easily been Marshall being a bit up himself (considering that in 2009 he publically stated he was "Ready for the Premiership" based on his loan spells at Northampton and Cheltenham in League 2 for God's sake) and insisting he play, he could have fallen madly in love with a Leicester lass or decided to leave due to his love of Pork pies so wanted to be nearer to Melton Mowbray.....the simple fact is that plenty of players turn down contracts for plenty of reasons but because it's Stoke and we haven't been told the reason we therefore presume "Oh, Pulis must have dropped a bollock because he should have done absolutely everything possible to keep the lad because he's thrived in League 1 & 2 so might,possibly,maye be the new Messi" i just get peed off with threads which are obviously there to have a go at the manager when we don't even know if it's the manager of player to blame,it's just presumed it must be TP so we can therefore slate him. yes, you're right he doesn't have a great track record with youngsters but at the same time he did offer this one a 3 year deal which the player himself rejected.makes it difficult to gain a track record with youngsters when they turn down contracts and bugger off I haven't presumed it was something Pulis said/did, I've never said that. I think he should have been given a deal at the end of his Carlisle loan, even with his broken leg. The lad is a talent and we didn't protect it fast enough. Up himself or a young confident lad who wanted to play football? I don't know but I don't want to make presumptions! I think the club dropped a bollock, not just TP. We didn't protect one of our best young assets and had to sell for less than we could have potentially got had it been protected. Or saved more if he is actually good enough. But like I've also said, we seemed to have learnt with Flo, which is great. Lets hope he develops and then gets the chance here! With TP's record can You blame any youngster if they don't fancy waiting for that chance? I'll be honest I can't. I was pleasantly surprised Flo seems to have the patience of a saint because we have a good un on our hands there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 14:16:28 GMT
we offered him a three year deal before his loan at Wednesday finihed which he initially accepted, then in the January he refused to sign it. we have no idea why he refused to sign it but to just presume it must have been something Pulis did/said is ridiculous..fair enough slag off the manager for what he does or says if you don't agree with it but far too many people on here in the absence of facts or evidence just decide what they think must have happened and slag him off based on that which is just daft imo! it could just have easily been Marshall being a bit up himself (considering that in 2009 he publically stated he was "Ready for the Premiership" based on his loan spells at Northampton and Cheltenham in League 2 for God's sake) and insisting he play, he could have fallen madly in love with a Leicester lass or decided to leave due to his love of Pork pies so wanted to be nearer to Melton Mowbray.....the simple fact is that plenty of players turn down contracts for plenty of reasons but because it's Stoke and we haven't been told the reason we therefore presume "Oh, Pulis must have dropped a bollock because he should have done absolutely everything possible to keep the lad because he's thrived in League 1 & 2 so might,possibly,maye be the new Messi" i just get peed off with threads which are obviously there to have a go at the manager when we don't even know if it's the manager of player to blame,it's just presumed it must be TP so we can therefore slate him. yes, you're right he doesn't have a great track record with youngsters but at the same time he did offer this one a 3 year deal which the player himself rejected.makes it difficult to gain a track record with youngsters when they turn down contracts and bugger off I haven't presumed it was something Pulis said/did, I've never said that. I think he should have been given a deal at the end of his Carlisle loan, even with his broken leg. The lad is a talent and we didn't protect it fast enough. Up himself or a young confident lad who wanted to play football? I don't know but I don't want to make presumptions! I think the club dropped a bollock, not just TP. We didn't protect one of our best young assets and had to sell for less than we could have potentially got had it been protected. Or saved more if he is actually good enough. But like I've also said, we seemed to have learnt with Flo, which is great. Lets hope he develops and then gets the chance here! With TP's record can You blame any youngster if they don't fancy waiting for that chance? I'll be honest I can't. I was pleasantly surprised Flo seems to have the patience of a saint because we have a good un on our hands there. sorry, the "Presumption" bits weren't aimed at you bayern, more those (we know who they are..yogi, jarhead,swanseastokie etc. ) who just choose to slag TP off for any excuse and if there isn't one then just invent one so the slating can continue completely agree that TP has made a rod for his back re: treatment of youngsters in the past but my point is that we have no idea the reason why Marshall refused the contract; it may have been because he saw no future because of what he's seen (or more to the point what he HASN'T seen) over the years with TP but it may also have been something completely different.basically i suppose what i'm saying is feel free to slag off the management when we know they've got something wrong but i don't see the point of slagging them based on what i'm guessing might have happened despite having no facts to back it up is all. i just think that Marshall has left, gone off to pastures new and good luck to him, he's moved on and so should we...not as if we offloaded someone who was a genius and influenced us massively and made us a Premiership force to be reckoned with, he was a kiddie who never even even played for us and could a yet turn out to be someone who rather than having great potential with development opportunities is actually just someone who won't get any better, has already achieved their peak and never achieve anything but lower league football (happens to plenty of players). time will tell but i just don't see the point of continuing to flog a dead horse everytime he does anything remotely good for the next 20 years.he's not our player, never played for us when he was so why do we need regular threads about someone who doesn't play for us....same goes for the inevitable Ba threads we'll get inundated with this season (was goin to say i just can't be arsed with these threads but then realised i almost always end up commenting and chatting shit on them so i'm obviously just as guilty for continuing them meself...MICKMILLSLOVECHILD OUT!!) ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 14:19:30 GMT
I haven't presumed it was something Pulis said/did, I've never said that. I think he should have been given a deal at the end of his Carlisle loan, even with his broken leg. The lad is a talent and we didn't protect it fast enough. Up himself or a young confident lad who wanted to play football? I don't know but I don't want to make presumptions! I think the club dropped a bollock, not just TP. We didn't protect one of our best young assets and had to sell for less than we could have potentially got had it been protected. Or saved more if he is actually good enough. But like I've also said, we seemed to have learnt with Flo, which is great. Lets hope he develops and then gets the chance here! With TP's record can You blame any youngster if they don't fancy waiting for that chance? I'll be honest I can't. I was pleasantly surprised Flo seems to have the patience of a saint because we have a good un on our hands there. sorry, the "Presumption" bits weren't aimed at you bayern, more those (we know who they are..yogi, jarhead,swanseastokie etc. ) who just choose to slag TP off for any excuse and if there isn't one then just invent one so the slating can continue completely agree that TP has made a rod for his back re: treatment of youngsters in the past but my point is that we have no idea the reason why Marshall refused the contract; it may have been because he saw no future because of what he's seen (or more to the point what he HASN'T seen) over the years with TP but it may also have been something completely different.basically i suppose what i'm saying is feel free to slag off the management when we know they've got something wrong but i don't see the point of slagging them based on what i'm guessing might have happened despite having no facts to back it up is all. i just think that Marshall has left, gone off to pastures new and good luck to him, he's moved on and so should we...not as if we offloaded someone who was a genius and influenced us massively and made us a Premiership force to be reckoned with, he was a kiddie who never even even played for us and could a yet turn out to be someone who rather than having great potential with development opportunities is actually just someone who won't get any better, has already achieved their peak and never achieve anything but lower league football (happens to plenty of players). time will tell but i just don't see the point of continuing to flog a dead horse everytime he does anything remotely good for the next 20 years.he's not our player, never played for us when he was so why do we need regular threads about someone who doesn't play for us....same goes for the inevitable Ba threads we'll get inundated with this season True but I guess it just winds some people up. It frustrates more with what happened with Marshall tbh. But I agree we don't know why he left and he could be a twat. That's why I try to stay away from that thing. It just irks a bit when we saw some of the other candidates play on the right wing and how bad they were. But such is life!
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Post by tazi on Aug 15, 2012 14:19:30 GMT
RAF really is a stinkng japend.
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Post by tazi on Aug 15, 2012 14:23:54 GMT
Take note of bayern as he recognises a winger or two when he sees one. He could even name one that if you were to believe him would have a long and lustrious career in English football.
lol.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2012 14:27:00 GMT
Take note of bayern as he recognises a winger or two when he sees one. He could even name one that if you were to believe him would have a long and lustrious career in English football. lol. At least I didn't sign the cunt because Fuller told me to! ;D He's had a decent career mind, lots of caps for Jamaica and plays in a steady league.
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Post by RAF on Aug 15, 2012 14:51:43 GMT
RAF really is a stinkng japend. Better that than a latent homosexual who pretends to be straight but has a unhealthy obsession with mens phalluses. Just be honest and come out of the closet, it might stem that sociapathic knuckle dragging aggression! H
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 15, 2012 15:09:58 GMT
Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the messageboard.....
.....it's back....
THE MARSHALL THREAD!!!
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Post by tazi on Aug 15, 2012 15:16:11 GMT
Thats some assumption RAF. Shame you got the most important assumption wrong and that how shit Pulis is.
Daft bitter fool, get over it man.
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