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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 19, 2012 16:54:04 GMT
Still not signed then? Ever likely we always sign people late in the transfer window, we agree fees mid season and take until the very end of the transfer window to fill in a few forms. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 17:06:48 GMT
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Jul 19, 2012 17:11:10 GMT
Still not signed then? Ever likely we always sign people late in the transfer window, we agree fees mid season and take until the very end of the transfer window to fill in a few forms. Obviously not a businessman of any kind are you? Signing players late in the window can of course save a million or so pounds in wages and fees as well of course but don't let trivial things like that get in the way. You are of course also aware of the 'few forms' that have to be filled in to complete these deals as well I take it? Maybe you can enlighten the club on how these deals should be conducted as you seem to have all the answers and knowledge of paperwork etc
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Post by MrMagic on Jul 19, 2012 17:24:43 GMT
Still not signed then? Ever likely we always sign people late in the transfer window, we agree fees mid season and take until the very end of the transfer window to fill in a few forms. Obviously not a businessman of any kind are you? Signing players late in the window can of course save a million or so pounds in wages and fees as well of course but don't let trivial things like that get in the way. You are of course also aware of the 'few forms' that have to be filled in to complete these deals as well I take it? Maybe you can enlighten the club on how these deals should be conducted as you seem to have all the answers and knowledge of paperwork etc Well clearly you know all of this stuff.... Maybe you could point me to some successful businessmen who have managed to drive their companies forward whilst... Podding out millions on new resources and them leaving them unused in storage for 9 months Failing to recognise or act on clear gaps in their organisational structure, choosing instead to move someone unqualified from another area of the business to "fill the gap".. We can all come out with these pointless analogies, and point the finger at people with the age old "so you think you could do better" accusation. The fact is that whist Stoke have got many things right over the past few years, they have also got many things wrong, and our approach to transfers is frustrating as hell. If it's taken us this long to even get to first base on a deal for a player who appears to be so desperate to join Stoke that he'd sell his own grandmother, what hope is there of us bringing in the players that we really need to move forward?
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Post by watcher on Jul 19, 2012 17:48:38 GMT
When he signs i wonder how long it will take to get him pulis fit! He's got his own fitness programme to get him upto premier league standard will be heard i bet.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 19, 2012 17:50:41 GMT
When he signs i wonder how long it will take to get him pulis fit! He's got his own fitness programme to get him upto premier league standard will be heard i bet. He's probably very fit as he is currently mid season in the MLS. He'll be more match fit and up to speed than any of our players. So you needn't worry
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Post by alexsong17 on Jul 19, 2012 18:02:28 GMT
Don't watch much MLS, but I do watch every USA national team game.
I wouldn't be too worried about Cameron's lack of caps. Center back is one position where we've had some pretty solid players in recent times. Oguchi Onyewu was good before his injuries. Good enough to be signed by AC Milan at one point. Carlos Bocanegra played a long time in the EPL and is still good. Just a touch slow. Jay DeMerit played in the EPL and Clarence Goodson is a reliable, but unspectacular performer who could probably play at a higher club level than he has.
I would expect Cameron to get more caps in the future. Onyewu is past it, Bocanegra will be soon, and DeMerit is out of the picture. Cameron is right there in the mix for a starting spot for the next World Cup. I haven't seen a ton of his games, but purely as an athlete I would say he is a bit like Laurent Koscielny from Arsenal, though not as fast. He is pretty nimble for a tall guy. I think he has a higher upside than Tim Ream, who went to Bolton last year, and George John, who was nearly signed by Blackburn in the winter.
I don't think he's really quick enough to play fullback. He would have trouble with the quick wingers in the league. But I think he has good potential at CB and defensive mid. Enough to justify the modest fee, at least.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 19, 2012 18:21:56 GMT
Don't watch much MLS, but I do watch every USA national team game. I wouldn't be too worried about Cameron's lack of caps. Center back is one position where we've had some pretty solid players in recent times. Oguchi Onyewu was good before his injuries. Good enough to be signed by AC Milan at one point. Carlos Bocanegra played a long time in the EPL and is still good. Just a touch slow. Jay DeMerit played in the EPL and Clarence Goodson is a reliable, but unspectacular performer who could probably play at a higher club level than he has. I would expect Cameron to get more caps in the future. Onyewu is past it, Bocanegra will be soon, and DeMerit is out of the picture. Cameron is right there in the mix for a starting spot for the next World Cup. I haven't seen a ton of his games, but purely as an athlete I would say he is a bit like Laurent Koscielny from Arsenal, though not as fast. He is pretty nimble for a tall guy. I think he has a higher upside than Tim Ream, who went to Bolton last year, and George John, who was nearly signed by Blackburn in the winter. I don't think he's really quick enough to play fullback. He would have trouble with the quick wingers in the league. But I think he has good potential at CB and defensive mid. Enough to justify the modest fee, at least. Cheers for the info - but DON'T CALL IT THE EPL on an English Board!
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2012 18:27:43 GMT
Still not signed then? Ever likely we always sign people late in the transfer window, we agree fees mid season and take until the very end of the transfer window to fill in a few forms. Obviously not a businessman of any kind are you? Signing players late in the window can of course save a million or so pounds in wages and fees as well of course but don't let trivial things like that get in the way. You are of course also aware of the 'few forms' that have to be filled in to complete these deals as well I take it? Maybe you can enlighten the club on how these deals should be conducted as you seem to have all the answers and knowledge of paperwork etc Yeah Yogi, you're not a business man so there! Pfft, loser.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 19, 2012 18:46:56 GMT
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 19, 2012 20:16:35 GMT
www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=show&id=9248Major League Soccer and Stoke have agreed to a transfer price for Houston central defender Geoff Cameron and personal terms are now close.
"The transfer price is now agreed to," a source told YA on Friday. "The personal terms between Geoff Cameron and Stoke are now almost complete." The source also added that Cameron, 27, is set to travel to England on either Friday or Saturday to join Stoke. Also, the tentative date for his British work permit appeal hearing is August 3.
Since Cameron does not qualify for a British work permit by not playing in 75% of the US national team's official games over the last two years, he must win one on appeal. Several Americans have had success in recent years in the UK winning a permit on appeal. Tim Ream won one earlier this year. In the recent past, Robbie Rogers, Alejandro Bedoya, and Robbie Findley have all been successful in securing a permit. Cameron has spent his entire professional career with the Houston Dynamo since he was drafted in 2008. Stoke City finished last season in 14th place in the English Premier League.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 19, 2012 22:16:46 GMT
Fulham have Clint Dempsey.
Everton had Landon Donovan.
We get Geoffrey Cameron.
With a name like that he better be bloody brilliant.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 20, 2012 7:46:07 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 20, 2012 9:48:28 GMT
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-Dave-Kemp-hopeful-Geoff-Cameron-join/story-16569253-detail/story.html"He's a good athletic player and we are always trying to bring something new. They have to be good professionals to play here and to last here, because they have to work hard and be part of a very tight team unit.
"All the players we have are like that and the ones who come in and do well are the ones who buy into the team ethic. That's the way it is."
Kemp says signing Cameron would not automatically mean Upson is on his way out.
He added: "Not at all. He is in the group. Geoff Cameron can play in a number of positions, including in midfield or at full-back."
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 20, 2012 10:11:04 GMT
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-Dave-Kemp-hopeful-Geoff-Cameron-join/story-16569253-detail/story.html"He's a good athletic player and we are always trying to bring something new. They have to be good professionals to play here and to last here, because they have to work hard and be part of a very tight team unit.
"All the players we have are like that and the ones who come in and do well are the ones who buy into the team ethic. That's the way it is."
Kemp says signing Cameron would not automatically mean Upson is on his way out.
He added: "Not at all. He is in the group. Geoff Cameron can play in a number of positions, including in midfield or at full-back." It's happening! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ruts66 on Jul 20, 2012 10:20:00 GMT
Should only take one season to reconstruct him into a decent wide defender. Through balls can be unlearnt given sufficient input on the training ground...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2012 8:32:09 GMT
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-Jerome-searches-big-chance/story-16582168-detail/story.html?Stoke are hoping to hook up with American international Geoff Cameron as they try and complete his signing from Houston,Strange that there's been no further announcement, and it's been left hanging with vague talk of "hoping to hook up with him" There were a couple of reports in America suggesting he was flying to England late last week, but that doesn't seem to have happened. And there was a mention somewhere of a preliminary potential work permit hearing on Aug 3rd, but there doesn't seem to have been any actual confirmation of his signing pending permit?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 23, 2012 9:31:36 GMT
Still not signed then? Ever likely we always sign people late in the transfer window, we agree fees mid season and take until the very end of the transfer window to fill in a few forms. Obviously not a businessman of any kind are you? Signing players late in the window can of course save a million or so pounds in wages and fees as well of course but don't let trivial things like that get in the way. You are of course also aware of the 'few forms' that have to be filled in to complete these deals as well I take it? Maybe you can enlighten the club on how these deals should be conducted as you seem to have all the answers and knowledge of paperwork etc Silly me I have always thought it best to be at the front of the queue to get what you want not at the back and get the bargains that everyone else has left? ;D
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 23, 2012 9:40:54 GMT
Wonder if they have told him yet? .......I reckon Huthy might enjoy his little snigger when he walks through the door
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 23, 2012 16:19:01 GMT
He's our new right back for sure.
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Post by markytcd on Jul 23, 2012 16:25:43 GMT
Has he signed Hackett?
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Post by Batfink on Jul 23, 2012 16:29:41 GMT
Obviously not a businessman of any kind are you? Signing players late in the window can of course save a million or so pounds in wages and fees as well of course but don't let trivial things like that get in the way. You are of course also aware of the 'few forms' that have to be filled in to complete these deals as well I take it? Maybe you can enlighten the club on how these deals should be conducted as you seem to have all the answers and knowledge of paperwork etc Well clearly you know all of this stuff.... Maybe you could point me to some successful businessmen who have managed to drive their companies forward whilst... Podding out millions on new resources and them leaving them unused in storage for 9 months Failing to recognise or act on clear gaps in their organisational structure, choosing instead to move someone unqualified from another area of the business to "fill the gap".. We can all come out with these pointless analogies, and point the finger at people with the age old "so you think you could do better" accusation. The fact is that whist Stoke have got many things right over the past few years, they have also got many things wrong, and our approach to transfers is frustrating as hell. If it's taken us this long to even get to first base on a deal for a player who appears to be so desperate to join Stoke that he'd sell his own grandmother, what hope is there of us bringing in the players that we really need to move forward? Peter Coates? ;D
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Post by Bombus on Jul 23, 2012 16:30:08 GMT
I actually have a very good feeling about this lad!!
Welcome to Stoke Geoff! (or is that too early...? ??? )
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2012 16:32:45 GMT
A little bit strange that he hasn't linked up with the squad on day one in Ohio (as far as we know?)
What day was it announced that the fee was agreed and personal terms were almost there? Last midweek sometime?
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Post by CrazyPotter on Jul 23, 2012 16:34:27 GMT
Just send Huthy down to Houston to 'collect' him.
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Post by staffordshireknot on Jul 23, 2012 17:03:54 GMT
Still not signed then? Ever likely we always sign people late in the transfer window, we agree fees mid season and take until the very end of the transfer window to fill in a few forms. Obviously not a businessman of any kind are you? Signing players late in the window can of course save a million or so pounds in wages and fees as well of course but don't let trivial things like that get in the way. You are of course also aware of the 'few forms' that have to be filled in to complete these deals as well I take it? Maybe you can enlighten the club on how these deals should be conducted as you seem to have all the answers and knowledge of paperwork etc As a buisnessman you will also appreciate that doing deals late on is not always the best thing. Not getting players fully fit and integrated into the team during pre season means you dont get the best from them and therefore means you do not finish as high as you could n the league, dont progress as far as you could in the cups and therefore lose revenue.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 23, 2012 17:35:05 GMT
Obviously not a businessman of any kind are you? Signing players late in the window can of course save a million or so pounds in wages and fees as well of course but don't let trivial things like that get in the way. You are of course also aware of the 'few forms' that have to be filled in to complete these deals as well I take it? Maybe you can enlighten the club on how these deals should be conducted as you seem to have all the answers and knowledge of paperwork etc As a buisnessman you will also appreciate that doing deals late on is not always the best thing. Not getting players fully fit and integrated into the team during pre season means you dont get the best from them and therefore means you do not finish as high as you could n the league, dont progress as far as you could in the cups and therefore lose revenue. Tuncay and Palacios are quite expensive examples of that
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jul 23, 2012 17:40:41 GMT
apparently stokedj is a rich and successful businessman... maybe he can point us to what is best
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2012 23:15:04 GMT
Wouldn't be a surprise given the lack of announcement...? www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/263897/Johnny-all-set-for-Heit-conversion/In preparation for Heitinga’s departure, Everton are trying to hijack Stoke’s deal for US international Geoff Cameron, 27, who plays for Houston Dynamos.
Stoke have already agreed a £1.6m fee, but Moyes is now showing interest. Heitinga, 28, has two years left on his £55,000-a-week contract, but Fenerbahce are ready to give him a pay rise.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 24, 2012 23:17:31 GMT
Wouldn't be a surprise given the lack of announcement...? www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/263897/Johnny-all-set-for-Heit-conversion/In preparation for Heitinga’s departure, Everton are trying to hijack Stoke’s deal for US international Geoff Cameron, 27, who plays for Houston Dynamos.
Stoke have already agreed a £1.6m fee, but Moyes is now showing interest. Heitinga, 28, has two years left on his £55,000-a-week contract, but Fenerbahce are ready to give him a pay rise.
Had a bad feeling this was going to happen. Bollocks.
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