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Post by stokerambler on May 18, 2012 13:51:38 GMT
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Post by yogibear78 on May 18, 2012 13:59:14 GMT
Has anyone told Owen that we grow the grass here to stop football from taking place, he can't feed his horses on our pitch!
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Post by brightonstokie on May 18, 2012 15:21:07 GMT
Still don't understand why people are saying Tone will never change the way he plays. He probably won't, but the club has made an offer for him before. Surely that means he's thought about it? Even if it wasnt Pulis idea Sir Pete would love him him for the revenue. Wouldnt be first time a chairman signs a player the manager doesnt want
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 15:30:29 GMT
Still don't understand why people are saying Tone will never change the way he plays. He probably won't, but the club has made an offer for him before. Surely that means he's thought about it? Even if it wasnt Pulis idea Sir Pete would love him him for the revenue. Wouldnt be first time a chairman signs a player the manager doesnt want it's based on the fact that TP NEVER EVER has changed his style of play so far......bidding for him previously in no way implies he's going to change his style to accomodate Owen, we have in the past bought other players that don't fit our style and forced them/shoehorned them/levered them into trying to adapt to our style rather than us adapt to them.......and when he's 6'7" that's a lot of shoehorning!!!!
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Post by Trouserdog on May 18, 2012 15:34:31 GMT
Still don't understand why people are saying Tone will never change the way he plays. He probably won't, but the club has made an offer for him before. Surely that means he's thought about it? Even if it wasnt Pulis idea Sir Pete would love him him for the revenue. Wouldnt be first time a chairman signs a player the manager doesnt want it's based on the fact that TP NEVER EVER has changed his style of play so far......bidding for him previously in no way implies he's going to change his style to accomodate Owen, we have in the past bought other players that don't fit our style and forced them/shoehorned them/levered them into trying to adapt to our style rather than us adapt to them.......and when he's 6'7" that's a lot of shoehorning!!!! Exactly. Expecting Pulis to suddenly change his style is like expecting Christmas Day to suddenly be moved to November 1st. It could happen, but every scrap of evidence strongly suggests it won't.
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Post by sportsman on May 18, 2012 15:36:58 GMT
Tone did try and change us a bit last summer. Bringing in Crouch who is good on the ball, Palacios, Woodgate and Upson are much better on the ball that Huth and Shawcross. Not saying they were brought in to replace Huth and Ryan, but they could and have probably learned off them in training.
It's up to the manager and coaches more though to allow them to express themselves more without a bollocking from the touchlines every five minutes.
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Post by serpico on May 18, 2012 15:42:01 GMT
It wouldn't be the first time TP has signed a player who blatantly doesn't fit his system, although TP has never signed a striker of Owens physical stature, at least when he signed kitson he was half decent in the air.
If he's thinking about signing Owen then he better be thinking about signing at least one decent central midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 15:45:12 GMT
Tone did try and change us a bit last summer. Bringing in Crouch who is good on the ball, Palacios, Woodgate and Upson are much better on the ball that Huth and Shawcross. Not saying they were brought in to replace Huth and Ryan, but they could and have probably learned off them in training. It's up to the manager and coaches more though to allow them to express themselves more without a bollocking from the touchlines every five minutes. players that are good on the ball and we've learned off them???? which Stoke have you been watching exactly????? you seem to contradict yourself there; he tried to change by buying players who can use the ball but then it's his fault beause that wasn't utilised by him? so how is that changing us exactly? isn't that pretty much the definition of spunking money away i.e. buy a player because he's good on the ball but then don't let him do that? that's kind of what we've been saying, hmay players that aren't traditional TP players but he then tries to change them into TP players rather than change the team to accomodate them
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Post by seddonstandviewer on May 18, 2012 18:28:48 GMT
The Upson and Woodgate transfers were either massive panic buys, buys that prove he just lusts after "big names" or a symbol that he wants us to be more rounded and play more out from the back. I initially though it was the latter. I can't quite work out if I still think that. For example, when Huth and Shawcross play they both launch the ball from the back or turn their backs on the keeper for him to launch it. When Upson plays, he offers an out ball and plays a direct pass out of the back. It might sound pretentious and similar but the difference to Crouch is noticeable. That said, the shape hasn't changed. Defensively, Walters is still tucked in and we are still playing a longer ball to Crouch and bypassing the midfield. The real key to our system being more rounded is to bring in proper full backs that can play and either get Palacios up and running fully and/or bring someone else in. and then of course, there is this to sort out...
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2012 18:48:23 GMT
The Upson and Woodgate transfers were either massive panic buys, buys that prove he just lusts after "big names" or a symbol that he wants us to be more rounded and play more out from the back. I initially though it was the latter. I can't quite work out if I still think that. For example, when Huth and Shawcross play they both launch the ball from the back or turn their backs on the keeper for him to launch it. When Upson plays, he offers an out ball and plays a direct pass out of the back. It might sound pretentious and similar but the difference to Crouch is noticeable. That said, the shape hasn't changed. Defensively, Walters is still tucked in and we are still playing a longer ball to Crouch and bypassing the midfield. The real key to our system being more rounded is to bring in proper full backs that can play and either get Palacios up and running fully and/or bring someone else in. and then of course, there is this to sort out... Indeed. And which is why in order to accommodate ball playing centre backs it meant that Robert Huth would be shunted out to right back, does in itself completely blow out of the water, the theory that we wanted to become more 'cultured' at the back through their signings. If Huth (or Ryan) had been dropped from the outset to accommodate Woodgate then maybe there might have been some merit to the arugment but he wasn't, so there isn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 18:49:54 GMT
The Upson and Woodgate transfers were either massive panic buys, buys that prove he just lusts after "big names" or a symbol that he wants us to be more rounded and play more out from the back. I initially though it was the latter. I can't quite work out if I still think that. For example, when Huth and Shawcross play they both launch the ball from the back or turn their backs on the keeper for him to launch it. When Upson plays, he offers an out ball and plays a direct pass out of the back. It might sound pretentious and similar but the difference to Crouch is noticeable. That said, the shape hasn't changed. Defensively, Walters is still tucked in and we are still playing a longer ball to Crouch and bypassing the midfield. The real key to our system being more rounded is to bring in proper full backs that can play and either get Palacios up and running fully and/or bring someone else in. and then of course, there is this to sort out... I guess Huth's replacement, if he goes, will tell us much about TP's intentions in that department?
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Post by seddonstandviewer on May 18, 2012 18:53:49 GMT
I guess Huth's replacement, if he goes, will tell us much about TP's intentions in that department? Scott Dann? More of a ball playing defender than not? I don't know...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 19:03:09 GMT
I guess Huth's replacement, if he goes, will tell us much about TP's intentions in that department? Scott Dann? More of a ball playing defender than not? I don't know... You wouldn't chuckle.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 18, 2012 19:05:51 GMT
Scott Dann? More of a ball playing defender than not? I don't know... You wouldn't chuckle. Bet Dann is still smarting over the worst decision in his career to go to Blackburn. The interview after he had just signed was priceless, one of the best interviews I've ever seen. Such a clear lack of enthusiasm, it was like he had just been to a funeral. I hope we stay well clear.
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Post by nutterpotter on May 19, 2012 8:55:06 GMT
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Post by yogibear78 on May 19, 2012 9:37:58 GMT
If Huth goes Upson should partner Shawcross, fuck Woodgate off and bring in Chris Samba with the money from Huth if possible
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Post by yogibear78 on May 19, 2012 9:38:48 GMT
I can not wait to see how TP will fit in Owen.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 9:43:40 GMT
East yogi
He will sit next to woodgate when he is injured and between pennant and jerome when he is fit .
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 19, 2012 9:44:18 GMT
If Huth goes Upson should partner Shawcross, fuck Woodgate off and bring in Chris Samba with the money from Huth if possible Samba plays for Anzhi now. He'll probably be on 100k a week, so doubt he will want to come back to the Premiership so soon after leaving.
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Post by stokeramblers on May 19, 2012 9:44:36 GMT
If Huth goes Upson should partner Shawcross, fuck Woodgate off and bring in Chris Samba with the money from Huth if possible Samba is on extortionate wages in Russia. Why would he come here and take a huge wage cut?
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Post by RAF on May 19, 2012 9:46:50 GMT
I can not wait to see how TP will fit in Owen. On the wing? H
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 19, 2012 9:49:31 GMT
I can see it now.3 precise through balls from Stokes midfield to set up Owens hatrick. ;D
More chance of finding T.Rex shit on Mars.
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Post by yogibear78 on May 19, 2012 10:30:56 GMT
I can not wait to see how TP will fit in Owen. On the wing? H ;D Yep, after a career long mass of goals as a Striker and half a season trying to turn Micheal Owen into a Ricardo Fuller with goals TP will claim on the back of the Sentinel that Owen is infact a winger, a left sided one. ;D
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Post by Old School Stokie on May 19, 2012 16:10:55 GMT
Owen & Crouch a good combination - if its there Owen will score - worth a dip for one season
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 16:27:18 GMT
Owen & Crouch a good combination - if its there Owen will score - worth a dip for one season That's the problem with that though.
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Post by scfcwebby on May 19, 2012 16:40:40 GMT
What are the current odds on him coming to us??
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Post by patto1992 on May 19, 2012 19:21:01 GMT
He is available and if he is affordable would you have him or not? Have a read of this and let me know what you think wp.me/p25EUA-7FCheers
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 19, 2012 19:23:02 GMT
It's like groundhog day.............
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Post by liathroid on May 19, 2012 19:23:37 GMT
no
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Post by multiplescoregasms on May 19, 2012 19:24:50 GMT
It's like groundhog day.............
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