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Post by alexk on May 17, 2012 18:20:47 GMT
I genuinely can't think of anybody I'd like us to sign less. He's been finished for years.
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Post by j3st3r on May 17, 2012 18:27:48 GMT
I genuinely can't think of anybody I'd like us to sign less. He's been finished for years. +1 I dont know what these people who think he'll score goals for Stoke are basing this on... other than his form from 4-5 years ago.... We complain about the lack of pace in the side, then a jizzfest starts over a player who would spend more time warming the seats in William Hills than he would at the brit.... If we genuinely do sign Owen on any deal... (if he hasnt already)you can expect a transfer request from Cameron Jerome to hit Tonys desk on the same day.... Owen is not the answer
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2012 18:28:46 GMT
Reasons why it's unlikely: - can't get fit
- isn't bothered about football any more
- sulks badly in teams he thinks are below him (Newcastle)
- body breaks like dead wood
- is dead wood
- wouldn't fit our system
- is tiny
- has barely played in last three years
Reasons why it could happen: - Tone will have a massive lob on for him
Surely after what Coatesy said about money the other day we're not going to fling millions in the direction of Michael fookin Owen are we? Surely?
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Post by cousindupree on May 17, 2012 18:34:36 GMT
Paul you lost me when you said we have two decent forwards on the bench in Walters and Jerome...two distinctly average forwards imho. We desperately need to address our lack of goals and before you start I know 'its somewhat down to the system' but its also down to poor finishing from Walters and Jerome. Also don't patronise me by suggesting I haven't heard what Coates has said. If top quality players were available and want to join Stoke I would be surprised if the Chairman would simply say no.
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Post by 99problems on May 17, 2012 18:39:22 GMT
I'd rather spend the weekend hammering my testicles into oblivion with a Polo mallet than sign this chump. Would be a worse signing than di Santo who's absolutely fucking boff.
Terrible idea.
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Post by j3st3r on May 17, 2012 18:47:35 GMT
If its anyone from those we've been "linked" with so far... it has to be the Yak. He's getting on and doesnt really have the pace (especially at the weight he's at) but he can make a goal out of nothing, and has had a decent season in a pretty poor side....
I know his finishing hasnt been great from what we've seen, but I would like to see Jerome given a decent run in the side before we pass sentence.
Spending money on Owen whatever the deal, is denting our finances to strengthen an area that is not our biggest problem imho.
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Post by spitthedog on May 17, 2012 18:48:48 GMT
PC will be pushing very hard to bring Owen here and maybe not just as a player. They are quite well connected, and PC might see it as a long term arrangement with Owen having done all his coaching badges.
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Post by joinerssquire on May 17, 2012 18:55:32 GMT
Whilst we are at it we could enquire if Cantona fancies a comeback as well........
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Post by j3st3r on May 17, 2012 19:01:47 GMT
And if hes not fishing with Roal Moat Gazza has a proven premier league track record
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Post by scfcwebby on May 17, 2012 19:12:28 GMT
i dont think defo would leave totingham to join us on a pay as you play deal!! ;D
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Post by StokeOnTour on May 17, 2012 19:29:55 GMT
Worse than Woodgate!
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Post by jarhead on May 17, 2012 19:31:42 GMT
Id be over the fuckin moon if he signs because he can show Dogshit Walters what a goal is and how to put a football into one!!!
sign him up what a great boost and profile he would bring.
Him,Pennant,Palacios,Jerome will get on great on the bench!!!
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Post by seddonstandviewer on May 17, 2012 19:33:37 GMT
Id be over the fuckin moon if he signs because he can show Dogshit Walters what a goal is and how to put a football into one!!! sign him up what a great boost and profile he would bring. Him,Pennant,Palacios,Jerome will get on great on the bench!!! Don't you mean Owen will be sat on the bench whilst Walters 'shows' him how to play the withdrawn striker role?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 19:37:36 GMT
Id be over the fuckin moon if he signs because he can show Dogshit Walters what a goal is and how to put a football into one!!! sign him up what a great boost and profile he would bring. Him,Pennant,Palacios,Jerome will get on great on the bench!!! Do you see Owen playing in the Walters position Jarrers? Nobody scores many goals in that role.
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Post by bogshed on May 17, 2012 19:40:31 GMT
Id be over the fuckin moon if he signs because he can show Dogshit Walters what a goal is and how to put a football into one!!! sign him up what a great boost and profile he would bring. Him,Pennant,Palacios,Jerome will get on great on the bench!!! Do you see Owen playing in the Walters position Jarrers? Nobody scores many goals in that role. I did tell you Rob!
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Post by kjpt140v on May 17, 2012 19:40:35 GMT
No!!! No!!!!! Nooooooo!!!!!!!!
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on May 17, 2012 19:46:46 GMT
Mixed views. A season with crouch...?
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on May 17, 2012 19:48:12 GMT
I'd rather spend the weekend hammering my testicles into oblivion with a Polo mallet than sign this chump. Would be a worse signing than di Santo who's absolutely fucking boff. Terrible idea. ouch ... even on pay as you play?? ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 19:51:45 GMT
Do you see Owen playing in the Walters position Jarrers? Nobody scores many goals in that role. I did tell you Rob! What did you tell me Boggy? ???
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Post by march4 on May 17, 2012 19:57:59 GMT
What did you tell me Boggy? ??? I still think it makes commercial sense. Give him 50% of the money made on all Owen shirts and everyone's a winner. He wouldn't even have to play more than 20 mins next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 20:20:14 GMT
He doesn't need the money but wants to play football. Could be ideal for us, pay as you play + goals bonus.
He'd be by far the most natural finisher at the club.
And Fergie deemed him decent enough to keep for 3 years.
But he's nowhere near good enough for our squad. Which is chock-full of top-notch quality, eh?? Why bother with a pay as you play Owen, when you're guaranteed 5 goals a season from Walters?
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Post by seddonstandviewer on May 17, 2012 20:28:47 GMT
He doesn't need the money but wants to play football. Could be ideal for us, pay as you play + goals bonus. He'd be by far the most natural finisher at the club. And Fergie deemed him decent enough to keep for 3 years. But he's nowhere near good enough for our squad. Which is chock-full of top-notch quality, eh?? Why bother with a pay as you play Owen, when you're guaranteed 5 goals a season from Walters? But Owen doesn't do the defensive side to the game and it would knacker the system up completely..! He could learn a thing or two from Walters. Let's hope he isn't too old to take it on board.
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Post by stokeyscrew on May 17, 2012 20:35:41 GMT
I'd love it if we signed him. Does anyone remember/have a link for that video where he was scoring past a 14year old lad and loving it? Pretty sure it was at Stoke He did do that....and it was at the Brit....think it was a skills video series about 15 minutes an episode
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 20:53:33 GMT
What did you tell me Boggy? ??? I still think it makes commercial sense. Give him 50% of the money made on all Owen shirts and everyone's a winner. He wouldn't even have to play more than 20 mins next season. Doesn't scream "money-spinner" to me given that the last time he was vaguely relevant was around the time of the last Jubilee.
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Post by spitthedog on May 17, 2012 20:54:52 GMT
Id be over the fuckin moon if he signs because he can show Dogshit Walters what a goal is and how to put a football into one!!! sign him up what a great boost and profile he would bring. Him,Pennant,Palacios,Jerome will get on great on the bench!!! ;D
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Post by spitthedog on May 17, 2012 21:01:15 GMT
He doesn't need the money but wants to play football. Could be ideal for us, pay as you play + goals bonus. He'd be by far the most natural finisher at the club. And Fergie deemed him decent enough to keep for 3 years. But he's nowhere near good enough for our squad. Which is chock-full of top-notch quality, eh?? Why bother with a pay as you play Owen, when you're guaranteed 5 goals a season from Walters? But Owen doesn't do the defensive side to the game and it would knacker the system up completely..! He could learn a thing or two from Walters. Let's hope he isn't too old to take it on board. Why would we need Owen to do the defensive thing? We have 4 capable defenders plus 2 defensive midfielders who don't go out of their own halves, and 2 wingers who are instructed to spend most of the game protecting full backs. How much cover do you need? The only reason Walters tracks back is that he hasn't got a f*****g clue what to do around the opponents box. He's a liability when he does track back anyway giving away stupid free-kicks in dangerous areas.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 21:04:06 GMT
But Owen doesn't do the defensive side to the game and it would knacker the system up completely..! He could learn a thing or two from Walters. Let's hope he isn't too old to take it on board. Why would we need Owen to do the defensive thing? We have 4 capable defenders plus 2 defensive midfielders who don't go out of their own halves, and 2 wingers who are instructed to spend most of the game protecting full backs. How much cover do you need? The only reason Walters tracks back is that he hasn't got a f*****g clue what to do around the opponents box. He's a liability when he does track back anyway giving away stupid free-kicks in dangerous areas. That isn't the "only reason Walters tracks back". It doesn't matter how much protection we have. Pulis wants at least one striker playing deep and defending from the front and dropping into midfield when we don't have the ball as well. Pulis has always played a withdrawn striker to do exactly that ever since he first came to the club in 2002.
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2012 21:06:14 GMT
But Owen doesn't do the defensive side to the game and it would knacker the system up completely..! He could learn a thing or two from Walters. Let's hope he isn't too old to take it on board. Why would we need Owen to do the defensive thing? We have 4 capable defenders plus 2 defensive midfielders who don't go out of their own halves, and 2 wingers who are instructed to spend most of the game protecting full backs. How much cover do you need? The only reason Walters tracks back is that he hasn't got a f*****g clue what to do around the opponents box. He's a liability when he does track back anyway giving away stupid free-kicks in dangerous areas. Christ, where have you been for the last five years?
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Post by johnsmithsupper on May 17, 2012 21:15:04 GMT
JSU: People have given you a fairly credible and detailed argument as to why Owen might not be a great idea for us: - Age - Injuries - Suspicion he's not too bothered anymore - Fact that he doesn't obviously fit into either of the two rigid striking roles in our rigid system - Pace has gone - Fact that we don't create the chances for a striker to thrive on. Your argument is as follows: - BUT IT'S MICHAEL OWEN YOU GUYS! OMG! From the makers of the people who brought you (BUT IT'S TUNCAY YOU GUYS!, BUT IT'S EIDUR GUDJOHNSEN YOU GUYS! and BUT IT'S PATRIK BERGER YOU GUYS!) You talk about how anyone could possibly argue that Fuller might be a better bet than Owen, but one has proven they can create their own chances, which is what we desperately need, and the other would depend largely on service, which we don't provide. So it's really not as clear cut as you're making out, is it? It's a good discussion, in order for tony pulis to evolve this is the type of signing that has to happen. That said though I want players in this club who have pace and/or know where the net is and he certainly ticks one of those boxes. We need strikers who score goals.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on May 17, 2012 21:21:02 GMT
Its quite simple.
The withdrawn striker in our system needs to be six foot or over and very hard working. He needs defensive discipline and the ability to mark certain players.
The further forward striker needs to be six foot or over, be capable of pulling wide into the channels, have a trick or two in him and be able to take people on and create something from nothing.
If you deviate from either role or both then you end up with something like this season - a team that looks stupid and unbalanced and one that simply doesn't create anything.
So please tell me where Owen fits into that framework...
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