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Post by philb on May 14, 2012 11:36:01 GMT
We've had the best 4 years as Stoke supporters in ages and it's all come under TP so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If we're in the bottom 3 come Christmas THEN it's time to look at things. Personally I don't think this will happen though.
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Post by Onneravineet on May 14, 2012 12:23:54 GMT
I agree with DaveF's first post. Which is actually very good post!
However, just why everyone who comes out in argument against the disgruntled ones among us refers to tippy tappy passing football as being the main issue is beyond me.
Certainly our style has been awful this year, horrible in the main. For me there are far more things wrong: - Playing people out of position - Terrible use of subs - Shotton, the only good thing he has going for him is he is a local lad. He shouldn’t be near the team. - The undroppable Walters - A now too slow and old Delap (legend for me) still getting a start in the Prem! Ahead of Whitehead! - Not playing young up and coming lads - Spending a net £55 million and still not have a Premier league standard fullback in the squad or even a back up winger!
There are loads of things that TP gets right for Stoke, loads. BUT I’m pig sick of waiting for the evolution to come that only HE said was going to bloody happen. In recent years we’ve had Fuller to delight and to detract from dross we have played. The same can be said recently, to a lesser extent, of Pennant and Ethers. Well without RF10, Ethers not being the player he was and now Pennant looking at some porridge it doesn’t look good.
Can’t wait for next season where Crouch shows glimpses of what he could do if he actually had players around him on the same page.
I don’t want TP sacked I want him to prove people wrong and deliver the evolution he has promised.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 14, 2012 12:27:09 GMT
I don’t want TP sacked I want him to prove people wrong and deliver the evolution he has promised. I agree but it simply does not look like he will "Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet."
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Post by foster on May 14, 2012 12:29:33 GMT
I don’t want TP sacked I want him to prove people wrong and deliver the evolution he has promised. I agree but it simply does not look like he will "Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet." That quote is pure cringe.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 14, 2012 12:30:48 GMT
I agree but it simply does not look like he will "Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet." That quote is pure cringe. I am pretty sure Jerome would not agree
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Post by Onneravineet on May 14, 2012 12:30:59 GMT
Sufolk, do you want me to start self harming? I can't see Jerome, Fuller or Kenny scribing NSSJW name on that sheet.
I bet TP has a Walters tattoo secreted somewhere
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Post by foster on May 14, 2012 12:33:12 GMT
"Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet."
urrggh, gets worse every time I read it.
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Post by elystokie on May 14, 2012 12:33:17 GMT
Sufolk, do you want me to start self harming? I can't see Jerome, Fuller or Kenny scribing NSSJW name on that sheet. I bet TP has a Walters tattoo secreted somewhere Yep, just below the mama and cresswell ones.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 14, 2012 12:33:25 GMT
Sufolk, do you want me to start self harming? I can't see Jerome, Fuller or Kenny scribing NSSJW name on that sheet. I bet TP has a Walters tattoo secreted somewhere ;D Next to Cresswells I think you will find
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 14, 2012 12:36:06 GMT
I am perfectly calm in stating that I now want Pulis to leave. I have never warmed to the man but respect the job he has done. I have always advocated that, despite my own reservations about him, it would be ridiculous to sack him. This season, for me, has changed all that. The early season decisions to move Huth to full-back, then drop him completely bordered on insanity. To then send Pennant to the naughty corner yet somehow try to convince us that a young centre half (not good enough even in his natural position) could somehow make a right winger was arguably even more stupid than his decision on breaking up the Huth/Shawcross pairing. Fuller showed us in Besiktas, in his natural position with no pre-season and no reserve games, that he could add something to our team, yet we never saw him. Meanwhile, Walters plodded his way through games in his own absolutely dreadful manner, and in the process we have the lowest goals scored record, lowest corners won record, lowest number of passes recorded. In every positive stat, we are bottom of the pile and our games are simply wars of attrition. We give up the game in countless away games and then hear how we have played better than ever against such sides. Throw in the ridiculous decision to "concede" the Valencia game, arguably the 3rd biggest game in our history and follow that up with yesterday's situation with Fuller and Pulis has basically stuck a great big two fingers up at the supporters all season long. Now is the time to stick them back in his direction. I want Pulis to go and I make no apologies for feeling that way. Until yesterday, I didn't want him sacked. Now I do. For me, his departure can't come soon enough. The fun has gone from watching Stoke and Pulis alone is jeopardising my love affair with the club. Spot on post. If Pulis is refusing to changing his ways then I cannot see any progression under him and worst case scenario we could fall further down the table as other teams evolve.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2012 12:45:17 GMT
I'm not even sure that Crouchy would agree with Pulis comments on Walters.
When asked on a recent TV program to name 3 Stoke City forwards, he said instantly, Crouch Fuller and then dallied for a few seconds before saying Jones.
Hardly the thought process of a man who would have his regular STRIKE partner as the first name on the team sheet.
There are lies, damned lies, statistics and then there is all the shit that TP spouts when he comes under the remotest bit of pressure.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 14, 2012 13:04:48 GMT
No I wont ........still doesnt make me less of a supporter than you though ;D That kind of depends on your reasons for not being at the Brit next season. If your reasons were, for example, due to health or finances or the fact that you'd moved away from Stoke then, no, it wouldn't make you any less of a supporter. If, however, your reasons were that you simply didn't like the manager then, yes, it kind of does make you less of a supporter. It would mean that you are prepared to let your dislike of one man stop you supporting 11 others. Which, to me, says you can't really like the team collectively all that much if you are so easily turned away. Simple reasons are financial - the usual you know.... mortgage,bills that sort of stuff..oh yeah and child maintenance. I only made 6 matches this season - the last being Sunderland in the snow. Fuck that was COLD!!!!! Next season Id rather save me cash thanks. Doesnt mean you dont stop following your club though - just means I'll be +/- 300 quid better off each time.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on May 14, 2012 13:55:10 GMT
That kind of depends on your reasons for not being at the Brit next season. If your reasons were, for example, due to health or finances or the fact that you'd moved away from Stoke then, no, it wouldn't make you any less of a supporter. If, however, your reasons were that you simply didn't like the manager then, yes, it kind of does make you less of a supporter. It would mean that you are prepared to let your dislike of one man stop you supporting 11 others. Which, to me, says you can't really like the team collectively all that much if you are so easily turned away. Simple reasons are financial - the usual you know.... mortgage,bills that sort of stuff..oh yeah and child maintenance. I only made 6 matches this season - the last being Sunderland in the snow. Fuck that was COLD!!!!! Next season Id rather save me cash thanks. Doesnt mean you dont stop following your club though - just means I'll be +/- 300 quid better off each time. So you are gloryhunter then? could you also give up boring us on here
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Post by elystokie on May 14, 2012 14:48:31 GMT
Simple reasons are financial - the usual you know.... mortgage,bills that sort of stuff..oh yeah and child maintenance. I only made 6 matches this season - the last being Sunderland in the snow. Fuck that was COLD!!!!! Next season Id rather save me cash thanks. Doesnt mean you dont stop following your club though - just means I'll be +/- 300 quid better off each time. So you are gloryhunter then? could you also give up boring us on here Wouldn't it be a bit easier for him to support Ajax if he wanted to 'gloryhunt'
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Post by borat on May 14, 2012 14:54:07 GMT
I agree but it simply does not look like he will "Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet." That quote is pure cringe. + 100000000000000
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Post by dutchstokie on May 14, 2012 16:21:32 GMT
Simple reasons are financial - the usual you know.... mortgage,bills that sort of stuff..oh yeah and child maintenance. I only made 6 matches this season - the last being Sunderland in the snow. Fuck that was COLD!!!!! Next season Id rather save me cash thanks. Doesnt mean you dont stop following your club though - just means I'll be +/- 300 quid better off each time. So you are gloryhunter then? could you also give up boring us on here Aaahh bless him!
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Post by Old School Stokie on May 14, 2012 20:11:37 GMT
I've heard some good reports that Crewe play nice football, currently Div 2, maybe Div 1 so if its nice football why don't you try them. If you want Premier League Football unfortunately you get teams that want to win at a higher level. Italian football is passy passy back & forth across and back, just like Ray Wilkins crablike. What extreme do you want. Oh you want us to play like Barcelona ...........better put a few naughts on the transfer targets
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Post by padders01 on May 14, 2012 20:18:46 GMT
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-year-tops-lot-says-Pulis/story-16078449-detail/story.htmlMust say, his attempt to re-write our last 10 games... "I also think we've actually done better in the last 10 games than our results have shown. Going back to the Tottenham game when they equalised late on, performances have been really good.
"But we haven't had the breaks and not taken the chances we've created – and that is something we have to look at."
...and defence of Walters.... "Supporters pay their money," Pulis noted, "and if they want to criticise Jon and criticise me, then so be it.
"Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet."...has done nothing to make me feel less anxious about next season. Soooooo scary
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Post by padders01 on May 14, 2012 20:21:33 GMT
I am perfectly calm in stating that I now want Pulis to leave. I have never warmed to the man but respect the job he has done. I have always advocated that, despite my own reservations about him, it would be ridiculous to sack him. This season, for me, has changed all that. The early season decisions to move Huth to full-back, then drop him completely bordered on insanity. To then send Pennant to the naughty corner yet somehow try to convince us that a young centre half (not good enough even in his natural position) could somehow make a right winger was arguably even more stupid than his decision on breaking up the Huth/Shawcross pairing. Fuller showed us in Besiktas, in his natural position with no pre-season and no reserve games, that he could add something to our team, yet we never saw him. Meanwhile, Walters plodded his way through games in his own absolutely dreadful manner, and in the process we have the lowest goals scored record, lowest corners won record, lowest number of passes recorded. In every positive stat, we are bottom of the pile and our games are simply wars of attrition. We give up the game in countless away games and then hear how we have played better than ever against such sides. Throw in the ridiculous decision to "concede" the Valencia game, arguably the 3rd biggest game in our history and follow that up with yesterday's situation with Fuller and Pulis has basically stuck a great big two fingers up at the supporters all season long. Now is the time to stick them back in his direction. I want Pulis to go and I make no apologies for feeling that way. Until yesterday, I didn't want him sacked. Now I do. For me, his departure can't come soon enough. The fun has gone from watching Stoke and Pulis alone is jeopardising my love affair with the club. Dave this is a superb post How anyone can defend ANY of Pulis' decisions mentioned above I would really like to hear
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Post by longtonstokie on May 14, 2012 21:20:44 GMT
I am perfectly calm in stating that I now want Pulis to leave. I have never warmed to the man but respect the job he has done. I have always advocated that, despite my own reservations about him, it would be ridiculous to sack him. This season, for me, has changed all that. The early season decisions to move Huth to full-back, then drop him completely bordered on insanity. To then send Pennant to the naughty corner yet somehow try to convince us that a young centre half (not good enough even in his natural position) could somehow make a right winger was arguably even more stupid than his decision on breaking up the Huth/Shawcross pairing. Fuller showed us in Besiktas, in his natural position with no pre-season and no reserve games, that he could add something to our team, yet we never saw him. Meanwhile, Walters plodded his way through games in his own absolutely dreadful manner, and in the process we have the lowest goals scored record, lowest corners won record, lowest number of passes recorded. In every positive stat, we are bottom of the pile and our games are simply wars of attrition. We give up the game in countless away games and then hear how we have played better than ever against such sides. Throw in the ridiculous decision to "concede" the Valencia game, arguably the 3rd biggest game in our history and follow that up with yesterday's situation with Fuller and Pulis has basically stuck a great big two fingers up at the supporters all season long. Now is the time to stick them back in his direction. I want Pulis to go and I make no apologies for feeling that way. Until yesterday, I didn't want him sacked. Now I do. For me, his departure can't come soon enough. The fun has gone from watching Stoke and Pulis alone is jeopardising my love affair with the club. Absolutely cracking post. +1
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 3:35:01 GMT
That's not to say that I want to see our manager sacked, but if the clubs listed above can survive a change of manager (several in some cases) relatively comfortably, then why should Stoke City - a stable financial top flight club - be any different?
When have we EVER had a top flight manager? to manage our top flight club. We must be the most unfashionable most disliked club in the prem, Who would want the job even if it was going? Mad Mick would be our best bet for a manager with even the slightest of personality. Even Freddie Parrott Faced Davies (U need to be old here) has been made manager of England is now out of contention.
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Post by tazi on May 15, 2012 13:47:38 GMT
TP's really left a bad feeling to the ones that he's shut up and continues to shut the fcuk up hasn't he?...
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