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Post by Pugsley on May 14, 2012 6:47:34 GMT
Passing the ball and retaining it. A big ask, I know, because it seems beyond us. Would you be happy with that 'big ask' and get relegated whilst passing the ball and retaining it.. Passing the ball = relegation. Just how thick are you mate? Seriously, are you mental?
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Post by imnotbob on May 14, 2012 7:08:08 GMT
I take it you won't be going to the Brit next season then??? No I wont ........still doesnt make me less of a supporter than you though ;D That kind of depends on your reasons for not being at the Brit next season. If your reasons were, for example, due to health or finances or the fact that you'd moved away from Stoke then, no, it wouldn't make you any less of a supporter. If, however, your reasons were that you simply didn't like the manager then, yes, it kind of does make you less of a supporter. It would mean that you are prepared to let your dislike of one man stop you supporting 11 others. Which, to me, says you can't really like the team collectively all that much if you are so easily turned away.
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 14, 2012 7:13:33 GMT
Pleased that he has kept us in the league for another season. Europe has been great.
Rose tinted specs off like some people seem to have though however, some of our performances have been woeful and league wise, there hasnt really been any progression.
Hope to see some investment in the summer and a real go for a top half finish next season. Rant at me all you want, Im giving my opinion and believe Pulis has to be allowed to take some minor criticism sometimes.
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Post by imnotbob on May 14, 2012 7:23:54 GMT
Pleased that he has kept us in the league for another season. Europe has been great. Rose tinted specs off like some people seem to have though however, some of our performances have been woeful and league wise, there hasnt really been any progression. Hope to see some investment in the summer and a real go for a top half finish next season. Rant at me all you want, Im giving my opinion and believe Pulis has to be allowed to take some minor criticism sometimes. And I believe you are absolutely right There is of course, a vast, yawning chasm of difference between how you calmly expressed that opinion and the "Fuck off Pulis!" brigade express themselves.
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Post by philb on May 14, 2012 9:04:45 GMT
I take it you won't be going to the Brit next season then??? No I wont ........still doesnt make me less of a supporter than you though ;D Good. The club doesn't need 'supporters' (and I use the term loosely) like you if that's the case. True supporters stay behind the club during good and bad times. Although I wouldn't call 4 seasons in the Prem, a cup final appearance and European football 'bad' times myself Some people eh.........
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Post by jacksscfc on May 14, 2012 9:26:42 GMT
I don't want to see TP go we have a lot to thank him for IMHO. What I want to see is TP being able to change and push on as he keeps saying we need to as a club for example: Able to change formations when the time is right. Go out to win matches instead of not lose matches. Play people in their right positions. Take players off when they perform badly and make them work for their place back. If and only if he does the above we will progress, if we have another season like the 4 we have had then I feel we need to fuck him off before it's to late and we get relegated.
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Post by philb on May 14, 2012 9:32:35 GMT
I don't want to see TP go we have a lot to thank him for IMHO. What I want to see is TP being able to change and push on as he keeps saying we need to as a club for example: Able to change formations when the time is right. Go out to win matches instead of not lose matches. Play people in their right positions. Take players off when they perform badly and make them work for their place back. If and only if he does the above we will progress, if we have another season like the 4 we have had then I feel we need to fuck him off before it's to late and we get relegated. That's ok, but in the 4 seasons we've had we've never really looked like nailed on relegation certainties have we??? And especially this season when we have played possibly the worst football since being in the Prem we've never been in relegation danger have we? Be careful what you wish for is all I say......
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Post by jacksscfc on May 14, 2012 9:55:29 GMT
Phil, teams know how to play us at home now (Newcastle, QPR, West Brom good examples) and this is because they know exactly how we are going to play all those teams left players up field when when we had throw ins and corners which meant we couldn't pack the box and maintain pressure from set peices making us in-affective, did TP change???? No stubborn to the last and it cost us. My point being I don't want to change the Manager but want the Manager to change, adapt, and progress as he say's the club need to.
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Post by stokesupporter on May 14, 2012 9:58:43 GMT
Pulis has said himself "I'm what I'm, I'm not going to change". We'll be as we were as long as he is here.
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Post by jacksscfc on May 14, 2012 10:00:06 GMT
if thats correct than we should be looking for a new manager if we are to progress.
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Post by OnionBag on May 14, 2012 10:19:31 GMT
Ultimately sooner or later unless Pulis changes (and it's been mentioned he stated he's not likely to) then he will unfortunately have to go. We're not spending 6m on our academy for nothing, the message is clear sooner rather than later we are going to have to be self sufficient and start either buying more young players, bringing some through the academy or looking abroad for better bargains. Pulis is just to obsessed with knowing everything about players characters. However at the end of the day you need to be able to manage these players and be willing to blood some youngsters, he just doesn't do it, well apart from Shawcross who came highly recommended by fergie.
We will soon need a manager to work in a very different business model, Coates won't keep giving us 20m a year to buy 29 or 30 year olds since it just means we need to keep replacing 4 or 5 a year. When was the last time we sold anyone really for a profit or what players have we really brought who clubs are desperate to have, the only one is probably Shawcross, but I'd say his stock has dropped since the Ramsey incident. Pulis just does not currently fit the direction the club looks to be going in, which is a shame given what he's done for us, but hey lots of businesses have CEO's for certain times change and move on as the business model evolves.
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Post by yogibear78 on May 14, 2012 10:31:14 GMT
Ultimately sooner or later unless Pulis changes (and it's been mentioned he stated he's not likely to) then he will unfortunately have to go. We're not spending 6m on our academy for nothing, the message is clear sooner rather than later we are going to have to be self sufficient and start either buying more young players, bringing some through the academy or looking abroad for better bargains. Pulis is just to obsessed with knowing everything about players characters. However at the end of the day you need to be able to manage these players and be willing to blood some youngsters, he just doesn't do it, well apart from Shawcross who came highly recommended by fergie. We will soon need a manager to work in a very different business model, Coates won't keep giving us 20m a year to buy 29 or 30 year olds since it just means we need to keep replacing 4 or 5 a year. When was the last time we sold anyone really for a profit or what players have we really brought who clubs are desperate to have, the only one is probably Shawcross, but I'd say his stock has dropped since the Ramsey incident. Pulis just does not currently fit the direction the club looks to be going in, which is a shame given what he's done for us, but hey lots of businesses have CEO's for certain times change and move on as the business model evolves. If Pulis is so obsessed about knowing everything about players characters then why did he sign Beattie, Fuller, Pennant and Palacios, he openly confessed he enquired about Joey Barton too.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on May 14, 2012 10:31:20 GMT
I agree completely with the last few posts. He should adapt, or leave. I have got another season ticket for next season but it will be my last if we continue to play this way. Jesus wept, we have played shit for the majority of the season. Hope coates has a similar opinion...
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Post by OnionBag on May 14, 2012 10:42:46 GMT
Ultimately sooner or later unless Pulis changes (and it's been mentioned he stated he's not likely to) then he will unfortunately have to go. We're not spending 6m on our academy for nothing, the message is clear sooner rather than later we are going to have to be self sufficient and start either buying more young players, bringing some through the academy or looking abroad for better bargains. Pulis is just to obsessed with knowing everything about players characters. However at the end of the day you need to be able to manage these players and be willing to blood some youngsters, he just doesn't do it, well apart from Shawcross who came highly recommended by fergie. We will soon need a manager to work in a very different business model, Coates won't keep giving us 20m a year to buy 29 or 30 year olds since it just means we need to keep replacing 4 or 5 a year. When was the last time we sold anyone really for a profit or what players have we really brought who clubs are desperate to have, the only one is probably Shawcross, but I'd say his stock has dropped since the Ramsey incident. Pulis just does not currently fit the direction the club looks to be going in, which is a shame given what he's done for us, but hey lots of businesses have CEO's for certain times change and move on as the business model evolves. If Pulis is so obsessed about knowing everything about players characters then why did he sign Beattie, Fuller, Pennant and Palacios, he openly confessed he enquired about Joey Barton too. Because he knew those players had played at the level required previously and therefore didn't need to use his judgment to know if they'd fit into the premier league / championship and therefore will do the job required for a set period of time and do a specific job. Beattie to stay up first year, palacios to get Crouch, Pennant because he kept his nose clean whilst on loan. I'd say only Fuller has really been able to thrive whilst being somewhat difficult to handle. He does gamble, but only on players he knows can perform at the level and tries to turn their character around with an arm around the shoulder.
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Post by yogibear78 on May 14, 2012 10:52:36 GMT
If Pulis is so obsessed about knowing everything about players characters then why did he sign Beattie, Fuller, Pennant and Palacios, he openly confessed he enquired about Joey Barton too. Because he knew those players had played at the level required previously and therefore didn't need to use his judgment to know if they'd fit into the premier league / championship and therefore will do the job required for a set period of time and do a specific job. Beattie to stay up first year, palacios to get Crouch, Pennant because he kept his nose clean whilst on loan. I'd say only Fuller has really been able to thrive whilst being somewhat difficult to handle. He does gamble, but only on players he knows can perform at the level and tries to turn their character around with an arm around the shoulder. buy palacios for £8M and his wages to get a 30 year old Crouch for £10M? If there was ever a good reason to sack a manager that is it right there.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2012 10:58:55 GMT
I am perfectly calm in stating that I now want Pulis to leave.
I have never warmed to the man but respect the job he has done. I have always advocated that, despite my own reservations about him, it would be ridiculous to sack him.
This season, for me, has changed all that.
The early season decisions to move Huth to full-back, then drop him completely bordered on insanity. To then send Pennant to the naughty corner yet somehow try to convince us that a young centre half (not good enough even in his natural position) could somehow make a right winger was arguably even more stupid than his decision on breaking up the Huth/Shawcross pairing.
Fuller showed us in Besiktas, in his natural position with no pre-season and no reserve games, that he could add something to our team, yet we never saw him. Meanwhile, Walters plodded his way through games in his own absolutely dreadful manner, and in the process we have the lowest goals scored record, lowest corners won record, lowest number of passes recorded. In every positive stat, we are bottom of the pile and our games are simply wars of attrition.
We give up the game in countless away games and then hear how we have played better than ever against such sides.
Throw in the ridiculous decision to "concede" the Valencia game, arguably the 3rd biggest game in our history and follow that up with yesterday's situation with Fuller and Pulis has basically stuck a great big two fingers up at the supporters all season long.
Now is the time to stick them back in his direction. I want Pulis to go and I make no apologies for feeling that way. Until yesterday, I didn't want him sacked. Now I do.
For me, his departure can't come soon enough. The fun has gone from watching Stoke and Pulis alone is jeopardising my love affair with the club.
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Post by yogibear78 on May 14, 2012 11:04:11 GMT
Excellent post, all very very valid points.
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Post by stokelad84 on May 14, 2012 11:05:25 GMT
TP will not get the sack, so threads like these are silly.
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Post by jeycov on May 14, 2012 11:05:53 GMT
I remember Bolton fans saying the same of Megson And Blackburn fans of Big sam And Wolves fans of Mad Mick. That worked out well, didn't it ;D All teams no longer in the Premiership! He needs some good transfer deals over the summer, both in and out, with some ambition to make a top 10 finish and be able to offer variable styles of play to counter the various teams that we play. For me, he is the right man to do this. Expectations should be realistic, small improvements achievable. I've renewed my season ticket!
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Post by stokesupporter on May 14, 2012 11:06:59 GMT
I'm afraid we won't be seeing Palacios becoming a regular starter next season either. Seems that he isn't a Pulis type of player after all, and for some reason TP doesn't seem to trust him. We will probably hear more excuses like "too windy for Palacios" next season. Personally I think Palacios just needs more matches under his belt to gain his old Spurs form but sadly and surprisingly TP didn't gave him much needed minutes even in the close season.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 14, 2012 11:07:03 GMT
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-year-tops-lot-says-Pulis/story-16078449-detail/story.htmlMust say, his attempt to re-write our last 10 games... "I also think we've actually done better in the last 10 games than our results have shown. Going back to the Tottenham game when they equalised late on, performances have been really good.
"But we haven't had the breaks and not taken the chances we've created – and that is something we have to look at."
...and defence of Walters.... "Supporters pay their money," Pulis noted, "and if they want to criticise Jon and criticise me, then so be it.
"Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet."...has done nothing to make me feel less anxious about next season.
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Post by stokelad84 on May 14, 2012 11:07:29 GMT
So have 22,000 other early birds jeycov. So I can't see anybody voting with their feet.
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Post by elystokie on May 14, 2012 11:13:44 GMT
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-year-tops-lot-says-Pulis/story-16078449-detail/story.htmlMust say, his attempt to re-write our last 10 games... "I also think we've actually done better in the last 10 games than our results have shown. Going back to the Tottenham game when they equalised late on, performances have been really good.
"But we haven't had the breaks and not taken the chances we've created – and that is something we have to look at."
...and defence of Walters.... "Supporters pay their money," Pulis noted, "and if they want to criticise Jon and criticise me, then so be it.
"Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet."...has done nothing to make me feel less anxious about next season. I really should stop reading these interviews he gives, they terrify me.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2012 11:16:14 GMT
FM...I think those comments prove exactly what TP had in mind with his team selection yesterday.
He has clearly picked up on the vibes amongst the support...that Ric should be in ahead of Walters (or at the very least Jerome)...and picked a team to prove his point.
The comments about Walters are very worrying as is his claim about our form over the last 10 games. Pulis thinks nothing is wrong.
The man has seriously lost the plot and it is time for him to go!
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Post by yogibear78 on May 14, 2012 11:16:55 GMT
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-year-tops-lot-says-Pulis/story-16078449-detail/story.htmlMust say, his attempt to re-write our last 10 games... "I also think we've actually done better in the last 10 games than our results have shown. Going back to the Tottenham game when they equalised late on, performances have been really good.
"But we haven't had the breaks and not taken the chances we've created – and that is something we have to look at."
...and defence of Walters.... "Supporters pay their money," Pulis noted, "and if they want to criticise Jon and criticise me, then so be it.
"Jon is one of them who goes out there and you know what you're going to get. You might get players cleverer than him, but you ask the team and he'd be the first player they'd want on the team sheet."...has done nothing to make me feel less anxious about next season. Walters is nailed on then for next season by the sounds of it.
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Post by MrMagic on May 14, 2012 11:19:19 GMT
I am perfectly calm in stating that I now want Pulis to leave. I have never warmed to the man but respect the job he has done. I have always advocated that, despite my own reservations about him, it would be ridiculous to sack him. This season, for me, has changed all that. The early season decisions to move Huth to full-back, then drop him completely bordered on insanity. To then send Pennant to the naughty corner yet somehow try to convince us that a young centre half (not good enough even in his natural position) could somehow make a right winger was arguably even more stupid than his decision on breaking up the Huth/Shawcross pairing. Fuller showed us in Besiktas, in his natural position with no pre-season and no reserve games, that he could add something to our team, yet we never saw him. Meanwhile, Walters plodded his way through games in his own absolutely dreadful manner, and in the process we have the lowest goals scored record, lowest corners won record, lowest number of passes recorded. In every positive stat, we are bottom of the pile and our games are simply wars of attrition. We give up the game in countless away games and then hear how we have played better than ever against such sides. Throw in the ridiculous decision to "concede" the Valencia game, arguably the 3rd biggest game in our history and follow that up with yesterday's situation with Fuller and Pulis has basically stuck a great big two fingers up at the supporters all season long. Now is the time to stick them back in his direction. I want Pulis to go and I make no apologies for feeling that way. Until yesterday, I didn't want him sacked. Now I do. For me, his departure can't come soon enough. The fun has gone from watching Stoke and Pulis alone is jeopardising my love affair with the club. bang on the money - I won't be holding my breath though because we won't sack him and he'll never walk away as he'd never find anyone else to pay him a fortune to manage another Premier League club.
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Post by stokelad84 on May 14, 2012 11:20:02 GMT
Why don't you do something about it then davejonno? Start a red card campaign if you feel so strongly.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2012 11:22:46 GMT
I started a Jamaica Flag protest yesterday Jokelad!
What do you want me to do?
Like many, I support Stoke City not Tony Pulis. I will go regardless of who is manager or what league we are in and whilst I do, I will reserve the right to pass comment as I see fit.
Given the opportunity, I would tell Pulis what I thought of his ridiculous selections as I have done before and as I do almost weekly to one of his colleagues. Outside of that, what else can I do?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 14, 2012 11:32:10 GMT
I would expect Pulis to say one thing publicly but hopefully to think another in private. If he can't see most of what we've been seeing for the past 3-4 months then he's deluded and we'll be in trouble from the get-go next season. I base this on the fact that new signings tend to come in at the end of the window and then need a month to bed in. By then we'll be 8 games or so in. It's a dangerous game to play given our atrocious form. If this happens and we fiddle while Rome burns, then I. too, will be joining DJ in asking for TP to go. At the moment I'm not quite there........
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Post by yogibear78 on May 14, 2012 11:35:31 GMT
Clearly losing the plot with his current comments in the Sentinel. If only TP had listened to the growing concerns of the supporters instead of putting his fingers in his ears and carrying on stubbornley regardless with his 'methods' he'd be in a lot better position, with both the fans and the league table. Yes, sometimes the supporters do know best.
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