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Post by staffordstokie999 on Apr 2, 2012 19:01:11 GMT
Newcastle are doing well this season, theres a lot that us and 14 other premier league clubs can learn from them. Can some of you accept that without blaming Pulis?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 19:09:14 GMT
Superb post jarhead!
I read pardew in the paper today and he went on about maintaining there form so they can reach Europe etc, nothing about Newcastle have only been back in the top flight two seasons and they can't competete with the majority of the teams etc etc!!
They've picked up some cracking young players who unlike our signings have a great resale value already!! Newcastle and pardew are a breath of fresh air and fair play to them, you don't have to be negative to succeed in this league.
It's about time Coates questioned pulis over his signings, this season alone we signed crouch, jerome, palacios, upson, woodgate, all on great wages and some massive transfer fees! What would we recoup on them?? Fuck all! Why oh why at this stage in the season haven't we given a chance to cuvelier and arismendi?? Instead we insist on playing the same old!
As for Walters i really give up! Him and crouch are not a partnership.. That is a fact!!!
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Post by exiledstokie on Apr 2, 2012 19:17:11 GMT
Superb post jarhead! I read pardew in the paper today and he went on about maintaining there form so they can reach Europe etc, nothing about Newcastle have only been back in the top flight two seasons and they can't competete with the majority of the teams etc etc!! They've picked up some cracking young players who unlike our signings have a great resale value already!! Newcastle and pardew are a breath of fresh air and fair play to them, you don't have to be negative to succeed in this league. It's about time Coates questioned pulis over his signings, this season alone we signed crouch, jerome, palacios, upson, woodgate, all on great wages and some massive transfer fees! What would we recoup on them?? Fuck all! Why oh why at this stage in the season haven't we given a chance to cuvelier and arismendi?? Instead we insist on playing the same old! As for Walters i really give up! Him and crouch are not a partnership.. That is a fact!!! Pulis will NEVER change the way he is. While he is manager we'll always play up to this underdogs tag he loves so much. I pray that Coates doesn't give the clown any more money this summer, 'I won't waste Peters money'.... Yeh right! He always has, and always will have his favorites, players who no matter how badly they perform, are always guaranteed a place in the starting lineup. It must be unbelievably disheartening for players trying to break into the first team to know no matter how well they perform, they'll never get a chance
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Post by jarhead on Apr 2, 2012 19:19:24 GMT
Clyde your spot on.
Why cant we attract players like BenArfa,Cisse,Tiote Cabaye those two alone cost peanuts with no prem experience aswell and that's Pulis's problem right there no clue how to use the foreign market and let players come in and play Their way instead of Pulis and the Kemp way which is not football but huff and puff with no emphasis on using the football.
It's boring predictable horseshit just like sat.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 2, 2012 19:21:20 GMT
Superb post jarhead! I read pardew in the paper today and he went on about maintaining there form so they can reach Europe etc, nothing about Newcastle have only been back in the top flight two seasons and they can't competete with the majority of the teams etc etc!! They've picked up some cracking young players who unlike our signings have a great resale value already!! Newcastle and pardew are a breath of fresh air and fair play to them, you don't have to be negative to succeed in this league. It's about time Coates questioned pulis over his signings, this season alone we signed crouch, jerome, palacios, upson, woodgate, all on great wages and some massive transfer fees! What would we recoup on them?? Fuck all! Why oh why at this stage in the season haven't we given a chance to cuvelier and arismendi?? Instead we insist on playing the same old! As for Walters i really give up! Him and crouch are not a partnership.. That is a fact!!! Pulis will NEVER change the way he is. While he is manager we'll always play up to this underdogs tag he loves so much. I pray that Coates doesn't give the clown any more money this summer, 'I won't waste Peters money'.... Yeh right! He always has, and always will have his favorites, players who no matter how badly they perform, are always guaranteed a place in the starting lineup. It must be unbelievably disheartening for players trying to break into the first team to know no matter how well they perform, they'll never get a chance Spot on. This is a massive problem within the squad it must be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 19:43:26 GMT
I really can't stomach Pardew but it has to be said he's made some inspired signings and has Newcastle playing fast and exciting football. He's done brilliantly up there.
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Post by euan ouzami on Apr 2, 2012 20:38:22 GMT
i agree!!! TP > no respect for the fans. boring football. stubborn beyond believe (like many of our fans). Starting to spend way to much money. shocking tactics. love TP for what he as done but now is the time to get rid. trouble with TP is that he knows he will NEVER get sacked. you talk about players acting to big for the club, well we have got a manager who is just that!. PC is 80% the reason we are where we are!. nothing to do with TP. if Brendon Rogers was manager of stoke with PC backing??? who knows TP - no respect for the fans??? Or the other way round maybe? He was booed when he arrived and has continued to have stick despite success that I, for one never dreamed possible 5 years ago. Not playing the way fans (presumably such as you) say he should doesn't mean he doesn't respect you it means he doesn't agree with you. And despite making decisions we all might question he has had unprecedented success. Despite Pardew's comments it's usually clean sheets that keep you up. (see west brom, Blackpool burnley) Of course we'd like to win by playing flowing football, but winning playing unglamorously trumps losing by playing flowing football any day. Careful what you wish for. Ask Charlton fans.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 2, 2012 21:08:35 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 2, 2012 21:13:51 GMT
Careful what you wish for. Ask Charlton fans. Have you ever actually done that? I think you might be surprised at the answer. The ones I've asked tell me they're sick to the back teeth of hearing the stupid myth about them being unsatisfied and hounding Curbishley out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 21:22:25 GMT
Most of this season has been sh--e IMHO. I have not enjoyed it at all. I must admit that I thought Pardew would be a failure, but he has proved me and a lot of others wrong, fair play to him. I personally think the standard of football at Stoke this season has been the worst since we got into the prem. Hopefully, next season it will improve vastly, because I cannot stand much more of the tripe we are serving up.The Europe experience was not as good as it could have been, and one of the away matches was cringeworthy to say the least. I for one am certainly not getting carried away with that.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Apr 2, 2012 21:27:49 GMT
Careful what you wish for. Ask Charlton fans. Have you ever actually done that? I think you might be surprised at the answer. The ones I've asked tell me they're sick to the back teeth of hearing the stupid myth about them being unsatisfied and hounding Curbishley out. im sure they are happy where they are now and are in no way jealous of where we are
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 2, 2012 22:32:28 GMT
Have you ever actually done that? I think you might be surprised at the answer. The ones I've asked tell me they're sick to the back teeth of hearing the stupid myth about them being unsatisfied and hounding Curbishley out. im sure they are happy where they are now and are in no way jealous of where we are Huh? ??? You might have to spell that one out for me mate.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Apr 3, 2012 5:03:18 GMT
Hindsight is everything in football. When Mardew was appointed at Newcastle there were 50 thousand Geordies foaming at the mouth at such a 'poor appointment', after the controversial sacking of Hughton and the rest of the footballing world were laughing at them. I guess on one hand it really does prove that football supporters generally know the square root of FA. Or have Newcastle been lucky? Ho ho ho. The irony of this post is beautiful. You're right Pugs but you also know I am aswell.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 3, 2012 6:06:31 GMT
Most of this season has been sh--e IMHO. I have not enjoyed it at all. I must admit that I thought Pardew would be a failure, but he has proved me and a lot of others wrong, fair play to him. I personally think the standard of football at Stoke this season has been the worst since we got into the prem. Hopefully, next season it will improve vastly, because I cannot stand much more of the tripe we are serving up.The Europe experience was not as good as it could have been, and one of the away matches was cringeworthy to say the least. I for one am certainly not getting carried away with that. Your right there. The football has been horrendous and totally boring! How many games have we heard in summing them up that we have heard the words,no quality,dire,dull,mind numbing dross,no creativity. Then we have the players STILL out of position. 100m spent Jesus Christ
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Post by DJC on Apr 3, 2012 7:06:06 GMT
How has Pardew been allowed back onto MOTD2, I'm sure the last time he was on he said 'the fullback got raped' when a winger went past him! BBC issuing apologies left, right and centre!
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Post by RAF on Apr 3, 2012 7:09:35 GMT
im sure they are happy where they are now and are in no way jealous of where we are Huh? ??? You might have to spell that one out for me mate. Dunna bother Potterlog. He can't construct any decent debate but just rolls out pap like the above, or 'Yeah Pulis should sign Messi shouldn't he?' when people complain about our scoring record or 'Yeah we should be beating the likes of Man City' when in fact no one has suggested anything of the sort. He's not worth bothering with H
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Post by jarhead on Apr 3, 2012 8:00:31 GMT
Agree RAF.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Apr 3, 2012 8:44:46 GMT
Most of this season has been sh--e IMHO. I have not enjoyed it at all. I must admit that I thought Pardew would be a failure, but he has proved me and a lot of others wrong, fair play to him. I personally think the standard of football at Stoke this season has been the worst since we got into the prem. Hopefully, next season it will improve vastly, because I cannot stand much more of the tripe we are serving up.The Europe experience was not as good as it could have been, and one of the away matches was cringeworthy to say the least. I for one am certainly not getting carried away with that. Your right there. The football has been horrendous and totally boring! How many games have we heard in summing them up that we have heard the words,no quality,dire,dull,mind numbing dross,no creativity. Then we have the players STILL out of position. 100m spent Jesus Christ its gone up by £10m since yesterday, who have we signed?
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Apr 3, 2012 8:45:18 GMT
Huh? ??? You might have to spell that one out for me mate. Dunna bother Potterlog. He can't construct any decent debate but just rolls out pap like the above, or 'Yeah Pulis should sign Messi shouldn't he?' when people complain about our scoring record or 'Yeah we should be beating the likes of Man City' when in fact no one has suggested anything of the sort. He's not worth bothering with H doesnt stop you stalking me though does it? H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 3, 2012 9:50:23 GMT
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Post by stokieboothen on Apr 3, 2012 9:52:42 GMT
Newcastle are just having a good season, they have signed a few good players such as ba,cisse,tiote....but as always with newcastle the wheels will fall out - and pardews reign will come to a bitter end!
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Post by RAF on Apr 3, 2012 10:09:33 GMT
Dunna bother Potterlog. He can't construct any decent debate but just rolls out pap like the above, or 'Yeah Pulis should sign Messi shouldn't he?' when people complain about our scoring record or 'Yeah we should be beating the likes of Man City' when in fact no one has suggested anything of the sort. He's not worth bothering with H doesnt stop you stalking me though does it? H Ah, I see the old 'You're stalking me' routine when in actual fact after your 1900 odd posts I think I've replied to about 15 including this one. I know you have no real points to make , but please don't start telling lies aswell, it will make you look even more ridiculous than you already do, if in fact that is possible? H
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Post by stokerob2 on Apr 3, 2012 11:09:32 GMT
Some decent points made there, makes me laugh at the people who defend Pulis no matter what though, everyone knows what's he's done for us and for that i'll be forever grateful, but hands up who wouldn't like us to be doing what castle are doing? Looking outside the prem, having a go, sights much higher than relegation etc.
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Post by Davef on Apr 3, 2012 11:14:23 GMT
Have you read the comments from the Charlton fans at the end of the article?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 3, 2012 11:22:01 GMT
Have you read the comments from the Charlton fans at the end of the article? Yes and I've read hundreds of others who were sick to death of Curbishley's 'brand' of football. Ian Dowie's out of work as it goes.
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Post by Davef on Apr 3, 2012 11:45:25 GMT
But the thing is, there's no guarantee that Curbishley's "brand of football" wouldn't have led to relegation anyway, and that's what most people comparing us to the Charlton seem to be assuming.
Charlton's record in Curbishley's last few months was pretty poor and they arguably looked to be a team on the slide. They actually gave Dowie two seasons' money to strengthen his squad (which was just £15M) so it's not as if Curbishley would've had wads of money to work with to turn around his team's poor football and negative style. It's my guess that he saw what was coming and made for the door.
TP has much more resources to work with and much better backing from his chairman. He has two more seasons before he matches Curbishley's time as a Premier League manager at Charlton and I don't think that it's too much to ask for a little bit more quality out on the pitch, given the money he's spent so far and is likely to spend over the next couple of seasons.
"Be careful what you wish for"? Is it really too much to ask for just a little bit more entertainment, a few more goalscoring opportunities and better passing and movement from supposedly Premier League quality players?
Is that really going to relegate us?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 3, 2012 11:56:37 GMT
Have the previous three seasons really been ‘unenjoyable’. Sure away form as at times been horrific but the overall record is not that far behind a team at our level. Has this season been such a train wreck? I don’t think so. Europe was fantastic and we played very, very well in it. Anyone deriding the teams we played should be repeatedly kicked in the bollocks until they cough up their dinner. We were in the hardest group by far and handled ourselves with great aplomb. I think Europe has affected League form to a certain extent and eventuated an even greater ‘safety first’ approach from the manager as has trying to get the excellent Crouch in to the ‘system’.
There’s been some dogs of games this year and a handful of truly memorable occasions, not bad for a season as a whole and I’m prepared to cut the manager a lot of slack on that basis.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Apr 3, 2012 11:57:12 GMT
There's a simple solution to all of this. Sack Pulis and bring in Curbishley.
Sorted.
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Post by Godo on Apr 3, 2012 12:05:47 GMT
I am of the opinion that one season counts for nothing in football - how many 1 season wonders have there been in the dug out and on the pitch? Let's see how Newcastle do next year before we start rimming Pardew.
But speaking about NEXT season...does anybody else think that Southampton, West Ham and Reading look more than capable of staying up? With Wolves, Wigan and whichever team from the North West joins them in the Championship next year I just hope that we can rely on one of the other teams to get promoted, Swansea to have a lousy 2nd season and Aston Villa to implode BECAUSE, despite our record signing, we are standing still as a club and when everyone else moves forward that means you go backwards! "Evolve" isn't a word in Mr Pulis's dictionary. The panic starts here!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 3, 2012 12:08:11 GMT
Heard it every single year since Pulis arrived. 'Ive been proving people wrong all my life, Nige'
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