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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 14, 2012 20:02:27 GMT
RAF et al no one is knocking Fuller...Just the fact that the termblegend is over used...and hes done.nothing ti be singled out to be a legend. Liam Lawrence scored arguably the nost important and.set up many important goala in.our promotion season. hes not considered a legend. Just because Fuller as the ability to excite fans and fans sibg his his name in a catchy song...doesnt nake Fuller any nore of a legend than any other players from promotion season So not even more of a legend than Diao?
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 15, 2012 0:23:57 GMT
Beady, If Jones isn't better than Fuller on their day then why has Jones interested the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool - with a doublt figure price tag over his head....Whereas Fuller as interest the likes of Bolton, Wigan and Cardiff. The fact of the matter is if Fuller played for any other team, we wouldn't be saying "we should sign this guy, he's a legend, hes an amazing player" .... Well saying that, we had some people on here saying we should sign Jason Scotland and Nick Maynard I honestly don't think he's as good as everyone makes out.... He's not a bad player by any stretch, but he's far from world class....The way we talk about him as a player he should be challenging Messi for the Ballon d'Or. I'll forever be greatful for the goals he's scored for us, the free kicks he's won for us...the throw in's and corners he's won, don't get me wrong. I love the guy!! and yes Diao is as much of a legend than Fuller, the fact he played a vital role in a promotion season, scored THAT goal agains Pompey, when things weren't going to well...Yes he's a on the same legend staus as Fuller...The fact that on the whole he's shit doesn't come into the equation. Fuller was probably, well most definitley our best player in promotion season, and probably our first season in the Prem, but other players played their role just as much. As previously stated Liam Lawrence scored some fantastic, and set up a hell of a lot of goals...And the fact IMO, the day I realised we were going up he scored the winning goal against Coventry, I'd perhaps hold him in more high regard than Fuller. Every goal and every experience means something different to different people....and if I think of promotion season, one of the things I remember is Liams goal....Other things I remember is Mama's two against Bristol City, Cresswell against Colchester...They should be legends just as much as Fuller is...Like I said...Fuller is the better player, no doubts about that. But to me EVERYONE of our promotion squad is a hero - For getting us promoted. Ive said before cult hero probably best describes Fuller than a legend cus thats what he is. He is held in high regard, but I wouldn't say he's an imspiration...Like the likes of Beckham, now that guy is a legend!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2012 1:09:20 GMT
Diao as much of a legend as Ric?
That is possibly the funniest statement I've ever read on here and that is saying something!
The two players aren't even in the same book never mind on the same page.
Diao has contributed nigh on fuck all compared to Fuller (and that's not having a go at Salif as I think he'd be embarrassed at being compared to Ric).
It's interesting you refer to that goal at Pompey. I was in the away end that day and guess what the first thing the Stokies present sang after Diao scored?
It was of course Ricardo Fuller's name after our talisman had yet again created a tap in from an absolute nothing of a ball by using his pace and trickery.
Diao as big a legend as Ric!
Pull the other one, it's got bells on!
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 15, 2012 2:41:20 GMT
I cannot believe that people don't regard the Whole 07-08 squad e 71-72 squad are as legends, but instead put pronotion down to one player only....I cant understand.the factvthat people dont see it as a team game...the whole team got us promoted so.therefore should recieve the same recognition...right?
Its strangs that the whoe 71-72 are considered Stoke legends and not just John Ritchie
That begs a good question would we ever have a statue of Ricardo Fuller in the town.centre or at the ground, would wd have a stand named after him or a street/road
I dont think so
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 15, 2012 2:44:22 GMT
I'm going to put this here because I want to.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 15, 2012 2:47:17 GMT
Also, I've thought it over and decided that I couldn't give a damn about the Chelsea incident, I still love Ric and I'd give him a new contract tomorrow.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 15, 2012 2:56:07 GMT
Just thought of anothsr argument against Bunnys "we sing Fuller song, proves hes a legend" We always sing the kenwyne Jones song and if you go by what you read on here Jones is a usless piece of shit, whos the worst signing weve ever made...the song is a catchy song, the fans like the song...just like the ricardo Fuller Citys number 10 song ;-)
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2012 7:52:48 GMT
It's quite easy to see the difference between Ric and Diao (can't even believe I'm having to justify this to anybody!) 2007-8 season Ricardo Fuller 39 starts 15 goals Salif Diao 8 starts 0 goals Now I look at it,I see where you're coming from!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 8:48:16 GMT
I cannot believe that people don't regard the Whole 07-08 squad e 71-72 squad are as legends, but instead put pronotion down to one player only....I cant understand.the factvthat people dont see it as a team game...the whole team got us promoted so.therefore should recieve the same recognition...right? Its strangs that the whoe 71-72 are considered Stoke legends and not just John Ritchie That begs a good question would we ever have a statue of Ricardo Fuller in the town.centre or at the ground, would wd have a stand named after him or a street/road I dont think so It is of course a team game. But take Fuller out of that team and do you think we'd have been promoted? It boils down to whether you actually saw any of the games the season we were promoted and therefore the difference between Stoke City when Ricardo Fuller was on the pitch and Stoke City when he wasn't. And that holds true for every season he was at the club until March 2011. And if you've got a memory that can recall beyond what you had for breakfast. Don't try and tell me that Jon Parkin or Chris Riggott or Griff were just as important that season.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 15, 2012 12:08:38 GMT
I doubt I'll ever question my opinion on Fuller. If I'm ever daft enough to do so, I'll simply re-affirm it by knowing that he's virtually the only Stoke player to get the crowd either off their seat or singing even when he's warming up. The only reason is name is sang is cus' knuckle dragging morons in block 19 like the na na na na na na na na na na na na part of it....no one actually sings the words, the words actually describe him as a legend I sit in Block 30 and have done for about 10 years...but before we were promoted the only noise generated inside The Brit was from Block 19..from the "knuckle dragging morons" as you describe them This was when Blocks 24, 25 and 26 were completely empty To describe your fellow Stoke fans as 'Knuckle dragging morons' says more about you..than it does about them Pathetic post
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Post by boothenender7 on Mar 15, 2012 12:09:12 GMT
Beady, If Jones isn't better than Fuller on their day then why has Jones interested the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool - with a doublt figure price tag over his head....Whereas Fuller as interest the likes of Bolton, Wigan and Cardiff. The fact of the matter is if Fuller played for any other team, we wouldn't be saying "we should sign this guy, he's a legend, hes an amazing player" .... Well saying that, we had some people on here saying we should sign Jason Scotland and Nick Maynard I honestly don't think he's as good as everyone makes out.... He's not a bad player by any stretch, but he's far from world class....The way we talk about him as a player he should be challenging Messi for the Ballon d'Or. I'll forever be greatful for the goals he's scored for us, the free kicks he's won for us...the throw in's and corners he's won, don't get me wrong. I love the guy!! and yes Diao is as much of a legend than Fuller, the fact he played a vital role in a promotion season, scored THAT goal agains Pompey, when things weren't going to well...Yes he's a on the same legend staus as Fuller...The fact that on the whole he's shit doesn't come into the equation. Fuller was probably, well most definitley our best player in promotion season, and probably our first season in the Prem, but other players played their role just as much. As previously stated Liam Lawrence scored some fantastic, and set up a hell of a lot of goals...And the fact IMO, the day I realised we were going up he scored the winning goal against Coventry, I'd perhaps hold him in more high regard than Fuller. Every goal and every experience means something different to different people....and if I think of promotion season, one of the things I remember is Liams goal....Other things I remember is Mama's two against Bristol City, Cresswell against Colchester...They should be legends just as much as Fuller is...Like I said...Fuller is the better player, no doubts about that. But to me EVERYONE of our promotion squad is a hero - For getting us promoted. Ive said before cult hero probably best describes Fuller than a legend cus thats what he is. He is held in high regard, but I wouldn't say he's an imspiration...Like the likes of Beckham, now that guy is a legend! in that case souleyman oularey is a legend after scoring off his arse against caaaaaardiff!!! ;D ???
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 15, 2012 12:23:19 GMT
Beady, If Jones isn't better than Fuller on their day then why has Jones interested the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool - with a doublt figure price tag over his head....Whereas Fuller as interest the likes of Bolton, Wigan and Cardiff. The fact of the matter is if Fuller played for any other team, we wouldn't be saying "we should sign this guy, he's a legend, hes an amazing player" .... Well saying that, we had some people on here saying we should sign Jason Scotland and Nick Maynard I honestly don't think he's as good as everyone makes out.... He's not a bad player by any stretch, but he's far from world class....The way we talk about him as a player he should be challenging Messi for the Ballon d'Or. I'll forever be greatful for the goals he's scored for us, the free kicks he's won for us...the throw in's and corners he's won, don't get me wrong. I love the guy!! and yes Diao is as much of a legend than Fuller, the fact he played a vital role in a promotion season, scored THAT goal agains Pompey, when things weren't going to well...Yes he's a on the same legend staus as Fuller...The fact that on the whole he's shit doesn't come into the equation. Fuller was probably, well most definitley our best player in promotion season, and probably our first season in the Prem, but other players played their role just as much. As previously stated Liam Lawrence scored some fantastic, and set up a hell of a lot of goals...And the fact IMO, the day I realised we were going up he scored the winning goal against Coventry, I'd perhaps hold him in more high regard than Fuller. Every goal and every experience means something different to different people....and if I think of promotion season, one of the things I remember is Liams goal....Other things I remember is Mama's two against Bristol City, Cresswell against Colchester...They should be legends just as much as Fuller is...Like I said...Fuller is the better player, no doubts about that. But to me EVERYONE of our promotion squad is a hero - For getting us promoted. Ive said before cult hero probably best describes Fuller than a legend cus thats what he is. He is held in high regard, but I wouldn't say he's an imspiration...Like the likes of Beckham, now that guy is a legend! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by stokelad84 on Mar 15, 2012 13:38:59 GMT
2007-8 season Ricardo Fuller 39 starts 15 goals Living in the past I see. 3 goals last season, 1 goal this season. (Counting cup goals of course)
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2012 14:01:05 GMT
2007-8 season Ricardo Fuller 39 starts 15 goals Living in the past I see. 3 goals last season, 1 goal this season. (Counting cup goals of course) Not living in the past Mr Liar, merely proving that you couldn't compare the two players mentioned. As ever, don't let the truth of the matter get in the way of your agenda.
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Post by stokelad84 on Mar 15, 2012 14:08:36 GMT
How am I lying??
You have made your point perfectly clear. Fuller is the only reason we got promoted and the only reason are still in the league now. How about the other players that have conveniently been forgotten.
Championship player of the season Liam Lawrence, Mama Sidibe and Richard Cresswell who were also part of our promotion winning forward line.
Once in the Premier League, bringing in Sorenson, Abdoulaye Faye and Higginbotham to stiffen our back line. And in the final third, Rory Delap's long throws.
Bringing in Beattie and Etherington when we needed a boost in January. Bringing extra goals and quality to the team.
But no, it was all Fuller!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2012 14:10:11 GMT
I never said you lied in that post, I just meant you're a liar full stop.
You lied suggesting I didn't want Crouch or Jerome to do well.
That makes you a no good liar.
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Post by stokelad84 on Mar 15, 2012 14:11:23 GMT
Was Fuller the only reason we were promoted?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2012 14:16:37 GMT
Was Fuller the only reason we were promoted? Nobody has ever said he was the only reason we were promoted. If you suggest they did it only strengthens the claim that you're a liar. There's a world of difference between your claim that people have suggested he was the only reason and the common theory that if you'd taken Ric out of that team we probably wouldn't have been close to going up given the impact he had on the team. Liam, Ric and Ryan were vital, vital parts of that success. Still you just keep singing your own merry tune.
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Post by stokelad84 on Mar 15, 2012 14:18:20 GMT
Was Fuller the only reason we have stayed up?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2012 14:34:24 GMT
Was Fuller the only reason we have stayed up? Are you being thick on purpose? As most sane people know, Ric was a big part in us staying up as well. You seem to have a very selective memory. You did go to the games didn't you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 14:49:57 GMT
The only reason? No.
The biggest reason? Yes, in my opinion. Without him I don't think we'd have gone up or stayed up.
Him and Lawrence jointly in the promotion season.
Anyone with a memory of longer than two weeks who saw more than half a dozen games in either season should agree.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 15, 2012 16:56:24 GMT
I cannot believe that people don't regard the Whole 07-08 squad e 71-72 squad are as legends, but instead put pronotion down to one player only....I cant understand.the factvthat people dont see it as a team game...the whole team got us promoted so.therefore should recieve the same recognition...right? Its strangs that the whoe 71-72 are considered Stoke legends and not just John Ritchie That begs a good question would we ever have a statue of Ricardo Fuller in the town.centre or at the ground, would wd have a stand named after him or a street/road I dont think so It is of course a team game. But take Fuller out of that team and do you think we'd have been promoted? It boils down to whether you actually saw any of the games the season we were promoted and therefore the difference between Stoke City when Ricardo Fuller was on the pitch and Stoke City when he wasn't. And that holds true for every season he was at the club until March 2011. And if you've got a memory that can recall beyond what you had for breakfast. Don't try and tell me that Jon Parkin or Chris Riggott or Griff were just as important that season. I saw every game bar one in our promotion season, missed a couple away the season before that and in our first prem season I only missed Bolton away The only reason is name is sang is cus' knuckle dragging morons in block 19 like the na na na na na na na na na na na na part of it....no one actually sings the words, the words actually describe him as a legend I sit in Block 30 and have done for about 10 years...but before we were promoted the only noise generated inside The Brit was from Block 19..from the "knuckle dragging morons" as you describe them This was when Blocks 24, 25 and 26 were completely empty To describe your fellow Stoke fans as 'Knuckle dragging morons' says more about you..than it does about them Pathetic post Block 19 ARE full of idiots, it's chav central back there, they majority of the time more bothered about sneeking alcohol to their seats, starting arguments with stewards or singing racist chants than watching the game.... I used to sit there and one reason I moved was because of the idiots around me, I sat there once this seaosn, and I wouldnt sit there again, absolute muppets the lot of them Beady, If Jones isn't better than Fuller on their day then why has Jones interested the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool - with a doublt figure price tag over his head....Whereas Fuller as interest the likes of Bolton, Wigan and Cardiff. The fact of the matter is if Fuller played for any other team, we wouldn't be saying "we should sign this guy, he's a legend, hes an amazing player" .... Well saying that, we had some people on here saying we should sign Jason Scotland and Nick Maynard I honestly don't think he's as good as everyone makes out.... He's not a bad player by any stretch, but he's far from world class....The way we talk about him as a player he should be challenging Messi for the Ballon d'Or. I'll forever be greatful for the goals he's scored for us, the free kicks he's won for us...the throw in's and corners he's won, don't get me wrong. I love the guy!! and yes Diao is as much of a legend than Fuller, the fact he played a vital role in a promotion season, scored THAT goal agains Pompey, when things weren't going to well...Yes he's a on the same legend staus as Fuller...The fact that on the whole he's shit doesn't come into the equation. Fuller was probably, well most definitley our best player in promotion season, and probably our first season in the Prem, but other players played their role just as much. As previously stated Liam Lawrence scored some fantastic, and set up a hell of a lot of goals...And the fact IMO, the day I realised we were going up he scored the winning goal against Coventry, I'd perhaps hold him in more high regard than Fuller. Every goal and every experience means something different to different people....and if I think of promotion season, one of the things I remember is Liams goal....Other things I remember is Mama's two against Bristol City, Cresswell against Colchester...They should be legends just as much as Fuller is...Like I said...Fuller is the better player, no doubts about that. But to me EVERYONE of our promotion squad is a hero - For getting us promoted. Ive said before cult hero probably best describes Fuller than a legend cus thats what he is. He is held in high regard, but I wouldn't say he's an imspiration...Like the likes of Beckham, now that guy is a legend! in that case souleyman oularey is a legend after scoring off his arse against caaaaaardiff!!! ;D ??? Most definitely a legend...Love him I do, Id love buy him a beer. The only reason? No. The biggest reason? Yes, in my opinion. Without him I don't think we'd have gone up or stayed up. Him and Lawrence jointly in the promotion season. Anyone with a memory of longer than two weeks who saw more than half a dozen games in either season should agree. If we hadn't has signed Beattie in out first season, we wouldn't have stayed up
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 15, 2012 17:27:52 GMT
The only reason? No. The biggest reason? Yes, in my opinion. Without him I don't think we'd have gone up or stayed up. Him and Lawrence jointly in the promotion season. Anyone with a memory of longer than two weeks who saw more than half a dozen games in either season should agree. This man speaks the truth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 18:16:40 GMT
It is of course a team game. But take Fuller out of that team and do you think we'd have been promoted? It boils down to whether you actually saw any of the games the season we were promoted and therefore the difference between Stoke City when Ricardo Fuller was on the pitch and Stoke City when he wasn't. And that holds true for every season he was at the club until March 2011. And if you've got a memory that can recall beyond what you had for breakfast. Don't try and tell me that Jon Parkin or Chris Riggott or Griff were just as important that season. I saw every game bar one in our promotion season, missed a couple away the season before that and in our first prem season I only missed Bolton away I sit in Block 30 and have done for about 10 years...but before we were promoted the only noise generated inside The Brit was from Block 19..from the "knuckle dragging morons" as you describe them This was when Blocks 24, 25 and 26 were completely empty To describe your fellow Stoke fans as 'Knuckle dragging morons' says more about you..than it does about them Pathetic post Block 19 ARE full of idiots, it's chav central back there, they majority of the time more bothered about sneeking alcohol to their seats, starting arguments with stewards or singing racist chants than watching the game.... I used to sit there and one reason I moved was because of the idiots around me, I sat there once this seaosn, and I wouldnt sit there again, absolute muppets the lot of them in that case souleyman oularey is a legend after scoring off his arse against caaaaaardiff!!! ;D ??? [/quote] Most definitely a legend...Love him I do, Id love buy him a beer. The only reason? No. The biggest reason? Yes, in my opinion. Without him I don't think we'd have gone up or stayed up. Him and Lawrence jointly in the promotion season. Anyone with a memory of longer than two weeks who saw more than half a dozen games in either season should agree. If we hadn't has signed Beattie in out first season, we wouldn't have stayed up[/quote] In which case Dan, I can only put you in the "goldfish memory" section. Look back at those games that season and look at the impact Fuller had and tell me we'd have been fine without him. I agree about Beattie. But were it not for Fuller we'd have been dead and buried before he'd even parked up at the Brit.
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Post by sprocket666 on Mar 15, 2012 20:05:48 GMT
Fuller is still a class player !!! Does help that he is definately easy on the eye !!! who says its a mans game !!! Have you actually looked at how fit most of the players are!!! exceptions are wilco and whitehead !!
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