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Post by lancer on Feb 24, 2012 19:35:50 GMT
I can't believe some of the shite being directed towards TP, by some Stokies. As one caller on P+G said, he was in Valencia because of TP. I'll drink to that. For all his short comings, TP has made Stoke City a team to follow and be proud of. Our football leaves a lot to be desired on occasion, but at least we are in the right place, we're in the Prem. The team last night were squad players, and for my money, were just as good as the 'best' team we played at home. We can all say what if, but that means nothing. What if KJs goal efforts had gone in? What if Arismendi had won a free kick on the edge of the box? What if Rory had been marking his man for their goal? What if? What if? What if we suddenly started getting refs that saw the real game, and dealt us a fair hand sometimes? I've been watching Stoke for a long, long time, and have sat through some crap games, and seen Stoke managed by some crap managers. TP, without doubt, has achieved more than any manager since Waddo. TP could do better according to a lot, but he hasn't done too badly so far. He deserves out support, through BAD times as well as GOOD times.He's got mine, and will keep it.He's not doing badly, despite disappointing results sometimes.Stay with it, lads and lasses,it took us a long time to get where we are, and I'm prepared to make some sacrifices to stay where we are, including some best forgotten games and results.  |
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Post by redsaturday on Feb 24, 2012 19:38:36 GMT
I can't believe some of the shite being directed towards TP, by some Stokies. As one caller on P+G said, he was in Valencia because of TP. I'll drink to that. For all his short comings, TP has made Stoke City a team to follow and be proud of. Our fotball leaves a lot to be desired, but at least we are in the right place. The team last night were squad players, and for my money, were just as good as the 'best' team we played at home. We can all say what if, but it means n thing. What if KJs goal efforts had gone in? What if Arismendi had won a free kick on the edge of the box? What if Rory had been marking his man for their goal? What if? What if? What if we suddenly started getting refs that saw the real game, and dealt us a fair hand sometimes? I've been watching Stoke for a long, long time, and have sat through some crap games, and seen Stoke managed by some crap managers. TP, without doubt, has achieved more than any manager since Waddo TP could do better according to a lot., but he hasn't done too badly so far. He deserves out support, through BAD times as well as GOOD times.He's got mine, and will keep it.He's not doing badly, despite disappointing results sometimes.Stay with it, lads and lasses,it took us a long time to get where we are, and I'm prepared to make some sacrifices to stay where we are, including some best forgotten games and results. and to add to that look whats happened to wolves, all screaming for mad micks head and look who they've ended up with ....clipboard connor to quote the dingles |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 20:38:36 GMT
I can't believe some of the shite being directed towards TP, by some Stokies. As one caller on P+G said, he was in Valencia because of TP. I'll drink to that. For all his short comings, TP has made Stoke City a team to follow and be proud of. Our football leaves a lot to be desired on occasion, but at least we are in the right place, we're in the Prem. The team last night were squad players, and for my money, were just as good as the 'best' team we played at home. We can all say what if, but that means nothing. What if KJs goal efforts had gone in? What if Arismendi had won a free kick on the edge of the box? What if Rory had been marking his man for their goal? What if? What if? What if we suddenly started getting refs that saw the real game, and dealt us a fair hand sometimes? I've been watching Stoke for a long, long time, and have sat through some crap games, and seen Stoke managed by some crap managers. TP, without doubt, has achieved more than any manager since Waddo. TP could do better according to a lot, but he hasn't done too badly so far. He deserves out support, through BAD times as well as GOOD times.He's got mine, and will keep it.He's not doing badly, despite disappointing results sometimes.Stay with it, lads and lasses,it took us a long time to get where we are, and I'm prepared to make some sacrifices to stay where we are, including some best forgotten games and results. Perhaps some people aren't content to watch garbage football as a means to an end . I've said many times, Pulisball will be tolerated and accepted when it's winning football. When it is isn't... it stinks the place out and people will get very very agitated very quickly. |
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 24, 2012 20:44:54 GMT
A new happy clappy thread, these are usually good value ;D
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 24, 2012 20:54:30 GMT
I don't think anyone doubts what he has achieved at the club, and success wise, he is up there, regardless of the money spent.
Problem for me is that he has taken all the excitement, fun and pleasure of watching football out of the game, if all you care about is winning then fair enough, but it's a lot more than that to me.
I've only been supporting stoke for 16 or so years, and am probably one of the younger fans, but personally I have never been so bored and bereft of passion about us.
I couldn't give a shit if we were in League 1 as long as I was being entertained and enjoying watching us play.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 20:59:04 GMT
I don't think anyone doubts what he has achieved at the club, and success wise, he is up there, regardless of the money spent. Problem for me is that he has taken all the excitement, fun and pleasure of watching football out of the game, if all you care about is winning then fair enough, but it's a lot more than that to me. I've only been supporting stoke for 16 or so years, and am probably one of the younger fans, but personally I have never been so bored and bereft of passion about us. I couldn't give a shit if we were in League 1 as long as I was being entertained and enjoying watching us play. Nice one. A person who's prepared to be honest and can see the situation for what it is. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 24, 2012 21:16:24 GMT
I don't think anyone doubts what he has achieved at the club, and success wise, he is up there, regardless of the money spent. Problem for me is that he has taken all the excitement, fun and pleasure of watching football out of the game, if all you care about is winning then fair enough, but it's a lot more than that to me. I've only been supporting stoke for 16 or so years, and am probably one of the younger fans, but personally I have never been so bored and bereft of passion about us. I couldn't give a shit if we were in League 1 as long as I was being entertained and enjoying watching us play. Nice one. A person who's prepared to be honest and can see the situation for what it is. meanwhile on my planet, a day to rival Bolton as the best of my football life, bliss |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 21:19:16 GMT
Nice one. A person who's prepared to be honest and can see the situation for what it is. meanwhile on my planet, a day to rival Bolton as the best of my football life, bliss No doubt about it. 5000 Stokies on the piss, behaving themselves and watching a good performance from the boys...fantastic. Sorry... what was your point??? |
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 24, 2012 21:20:12 GMT
I don't think anyone doubts what he has achieved at the club, and success wise, he is up there, regardless of the money spent. Problem for me is that he has taken all the excitement, fun and pleasure of watching football out of the game, if all you care about is winning then fair enough, but it's a lot more than that to me. I've only been supporting stoke for 16 or so years, and am probably one of the younger fans, but personally I have never been so bored and bereft of passion about us. I couldn't give a shit if we were in League 1 as long as I was being entertained and enjoying watching us play. bullshit. if we got relegated playing like west brazil their'd be hell up on here. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 21:23:23 GMT
I don't think anyone doubts what he has achieved at the club, and success wise, he is up there, regardless of the money spent. Problem for me is that he has taken all the excitement, fun and pleasure of watching football out of the game, if all you care about is winning then fair enough, but it's a lot more than that to me. I've only been supporting stoke for 16 or so years, and am probably one of the younger fans, but personally I have never been so bored and bereft of passion about us. I couldn't give a shit if we were in League 1 as long as I was being entertained and enjoying watching us play. bullshit. if we got relegated playing like west brazil their'd be hell up on here. Is this some new law of Physics or Thermodynamics I've missed? If you play entertaining football, you get relegated??? |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 24, 2012 21:26:07 GMT
meanwhile on my planet, a day to rival Bolton as the best of my football life, bliss No doubt about it. 5000 Stokies on the piss, behaving themselves and watching a good performance from the boys...fantastic. Sorry... what was your point??? Ill happily watch Villa at home boxing day to have Valencia away... I totally give a shit if were in league one and watching flowing football compared to the gravity of these days.. Im just telling it like it is. The lsst 5 seasons have been the most enjoyable of my life. I really dont know where we go from here. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 21:29:15 GMT
No doubt about it. 5000 Stokies on the piss, behaving themselves and watching a good performance from the boys...fantastic. Sorry... what was your point??? Ill happily watch Villa at home boxing day to have Valencia away... I totally give a shit if were in league one and watching flowing football compared to the gravity of these days.. Im just telling it like it is. The lsst 5 seasons have been the most enjoyable of my life. I really dont know where we go from here. Well... we lost last night and got knocked out of a competition. We played well in an entertaining performance. You said it was one of the best days of your life |
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 24, 2012 21:30:14 GMT
bullshit. if we got relegated playing like west brazil their'd be hell up on here. Is this some new law of Physics or Thermodynamics I've missed? If you play entertaining football, you get relegated??? i didn't say that though did i.i said IF we went down playing like west brazil then carnage would ensue.nobody in their right mind would prefer to see us playing tippy-tap in league 1 than playing hoofball in the prem. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 21:32:38 GMT
Ill happily watch Villa at home boxing day to have Valencia away... I totally give a shit if were in league one and watching flowing football compared to the gravity of these days.. Im just telling it like it is. The lsst 5 seasons have been the most enjoyable of my life. I really dont know where we go from here. Well... we lost last night and got knocked out of a competition. We played well in an entertaining performance. You said it was one of the best days of your life It's also quite interesting to note that both "best" days of your football life have been in Cup competitions where Pulis has taken the shackle off our cage and let the players play. |
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Post by Davef on Feb 24, 2012 21:34:02 GMT
Is this some new law of Physics or Thermodynamics I've missed? If you play entertaining football, you get relegated??? i didn't say that though did i.i said IF we went down playing like west brazil then carnage would ensue.nobody in their right mind would prefer to see us playing tippy-tap in league 1 than playing hoofball in the prem. You've lost me. What would be the difference between relegation playing the WBA Mowbray way or Stoke the Pulis way? You don't think hoofball could get us relegated? |
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 24, 2012 21:36:32 GMT
no i don't,but the point i've been trying to make us nobody would prefer to see us play attractive football in league 1 than to play as we are in the prem.
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Post by lommack on Feb 24, 2012 21:37:50 GMT
"I couldn't give a shit if we were in League 1 as long as I was being entertained and enjoying watching us play"
I have read some piss poor things on here over the last few weeks but that is utter utter absolute fucking dog shit
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 24, 2012 21:38:43 GMT
Ill happily watch Villa at home boxing day to have Valencia away... I totally give a shit if were in league one and watching flowing football compared to the gravity of these days.. Im just telling it like it is. The lsst 5 seasons have been the most enjoyable of my life. I really dont know where we go from here. Well... we lost last night and got knocked out of a competition. We played well in an entertaining performance. You said it was one of the best days of your life Yeah is that ok? Would you like you dispute it? Now I dont know what your point is. It was an even better away day than Rotherham. Even though we lost. |
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 24, 2012 21:41:20 GMT
Well... we lost last night and got knocked out of a competition. We played well in an entertaining performance. You said it was one of the best days of your life Yeah is that ok? Would you like you dispute it? Now I dont know what your point is. It was an even better away day than Rotherham. Even though we lost. i don't know mate,i watched us draw 0-0 at southend.awesome. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 24, 2012 21:48:33 GMT
I honestly thought Pulis had finally figured out a decent system that combined, pace, decent movement and a fair degree of entertainment at the back end of last season, we beat Arsenal 3-1, battered Newcastle 4-0 and dismantled Bolton 5-0 which was one of the greatest days of my life even though I didn't go to Wembley.
We had two pacey wingers, the centre of midfield wasn't akin to Barcelona I admit but it did it's job well and actually supplied the wingers and forwards with the ball, Marc Wilson was at LB which I didn't like but that was the only downside.
During that period we were what's come to be known as "classic Stoke City" we were in the faces of the opposition, the crowd was hostile and you sensed the team had a special bond between them in that they wanted to give their all for this football club, even though we lost the cup final I looked forward to the start of this season more than I've ever looked forward to any previously, because I thought Pulis had finally matured and created an attacking yet solid team that was a joy to watch.
However it was just a honeymoon period, fast forward a few months and we've got a Woodgate at right-back, A Delap still shuffling around the midfield, Walters playing absolutely every game even though he needs at least 3 games rest, Cameron Jerome, Ricardo Fuller + by the looks of it Diego Arismendi and Kenwyne Jones rotting away on the bench and in the reserves even though we know for sure at least 3 of those would have a hugely positive impact on the way we play, Ryan Shotton starting on the right instead of Jermaine Pennant, we were told it was because of a "Breach of club discipline" by Jermaine, not to worry we all thought, it'll be sad to lose Jermaine but we have January approaching and Ben Marshall looking very promising.
January comes and goes, we finish the window with a grand total of ZERO new signings, and we sell our most promising young prospect for a while to Leicester, we've also lost at home this season to such superpowers as Newcastle, QPR and West Bromwich Albion, i'll repeat that, WE LOST AT FUCKING HOME TO FUCKING WEST FUCKING BROMWICH FUCKING ALBION, ahem, the players look jaded and disinterested, the fans are getting increasingly fucked off and thus quieter, the football is getting more predictable and dismal with each passing game, teams have been lining up against us without strikers and still winning for fucks sake. Bolton also somehow returned the 5-0 battering we gave them, which is just unforgivable.
So to summarise in the space of a few months Pulis has turned Stoke City FC from a team that looked like genuine top 10 premiership material, to a dismal, disjointed side with out-of position ageing players and has made watching Stoke a chore, and a sodding expensive one this season at that. Plus there's no guarantee that we'll actually stay up given how we've been playing recently.
I'd like a change at the end of the season, I await the absolute morons to wade in with their Curbishley argument but I don't care, I want to see Stoke perform to the standard we know they can achieve, I want to see younger players being utilised, I want to us to be a club who signs players from abroad and while Pulis is in charge this just won't happen, it'll be the same square pegs in round holes nonsense + a player fallout every season.
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 24, 2012 22:00:53 GMT
"I couldn't give a shit if we were in League 1 as long as I was being entertained and enjoying watching us play" I have read some piss poor things on here over the last few weeks but that is utter utter absolute fucking dog shit Why? I would love to be on cloud 9 loving life, but the fact is I'm not and I find watching us play boring and predictable and it's taken all the enthusiasm out of me to the point where being in the Prem isn't that important and I just wanna be excited every Saturday morning. I'm not questioning or playing down Pulis' achievements, it's just the way he sets his teams up and plays football is of no real interest to me. That said, when we play like last night with attacking intent, pace and passion I have no problem at all, it's just a shame that only happens 3-4 times a season. |
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 24, 2012 22:04:08 GMT
I have always been proud to follow Stoke regardless of who the manager was or is!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 22:15:28 GMT
Can,t agree on this one, lancer. Admittedly we,ve done well, but if only he would stop picking his favourites and playing players out of position, we would be doing even better than we are. Before anyone starts I don,t want him out, I just want him to play the best team available, and also to get rid of some of the dross in the squad. Bring in younger, fitter, ball players in midfield. A lot of people are saying how well arismendi played, but will tony give him a chance, because the midfield he has be en using is not providing the goods. Why has he not given more young players a chance, especially when we have been sat on 30 points for ages. He keeps playing the same system that is letting us down week in week out. It is no wonder people get fed up. I repeat, I don,t want him out, because I don,t know who could replace him, but I wish that he would try something different.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 22:19:20 GMT
Well... we lost last night and got knocked out of a competition. We played well in an entertaining performance. You said it was one of the best days of your life Yeah is that ok? Would you like you dispute it? Now I dont know what your point is. It was an even better away day than Rotherham. Even though we lost. My point is... both your "best" days of football have occurred when TP has had the bollocks to take the shackles off his players. Coincidence? I think not. Just think how many more entertaining glorious days we could have had in the last couple of years if The Great One didn't shit himself when he thinks about playing a midfielder out of the "cage" |
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Post by lommack on Feb 24, 2012 22:20:20 GMT
jstoke are you saying that watchin 3rd division football would be better than watching a Stoke side winning FA cup semi finals 5-0, seeing the first Stoke side to get to their first FA cup final in over a century and have the honour to witness a Stoke City team represent the English Premier League in Europe.
You would give up all this to massage your footballing sensibilities
If so you are a bit of a cock
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 24, 2012 22:26:54 GMT
I think the point is we are capable of playing the way we did in that semi and now have a few better players to boot but we still metamorphosis back to HAVE IT!
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Post by theincontinents on Feb 24, 2012 22:27:51 GMT
So those of you who want a change - just who would it be?
I heard Kevin Blackwell described as genius by a TP out clown on the plane to Alicante yesterday - the same bloke that had managed to be involved with a group who were paying 500 euros for a return taxi trip to Valencia - so he obviously knows all about spending money wisely and who to entrust organisation to!
Apart form him I've heard no one put together an argument for just who would actually come to Stoke and take the next great leap forward. What we have in TP is manager who has a great relationship with the board, which is a rare thing in football these days, in fact the last Stoke manager to have had a really good relationship with his board was Waddo who was hounded out by the 1970's version of the brain dead/permanently inebriated (and I was there to witness it) and just look at the hall of fame of managers we had after Waddo; Ball, Kamara, Little, Boskamp etc and just think of the glory they have bought us.
TP's team selections and tactics are sometimes baffaling and it can be very frustrating to watch on occasions but nights like the one I had last night more than make up for it. TP has shown before that we can have serious dips in form and play some seriously negative football but he always comes back to deliver.
Just be very sure of what you wish for because if your drive TP away with your negativity you can be sure that Jose will not be leaving Real Madrid to come to Stoke and we would end up with the likes of Mick Fucking Mcarthy or maybe even the great genius that is Kevin Blackwell. Give your heads a shake we've had some of the very best of days over that last 4 years as other posters have already described and I am comparing them to our last golden(ish) patch between 1971 and 1976.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 24, 2012 22:29:40 GMT
So those of you who want a change - just who would it be? I heard Kevin Blackwell described as genius by a TP out clown on the plane to Alicante yesterday - the same bloke that had managed to be involved with a group who were paying 500 euros for a return taxi trip to Valencia - so he obviously knows all about spending money wisely and who to entrust organisation to! Apart form him I've heard no one put together an argument for just who would actually come to Stoke and take the next great leap forward. What we have in TP is manager who has a great relationship with the board, which is a rare thing in football these days, in fact the last Stoke manager to have had a really good relationship with his board was Waddo who was hounded out by the 1970's version of the brain dead/permanently inebriated (and I was there to witness it) and just look at the hall of fame of managers we had after Waddo; Ball, Kamara, Little, Boskamp etc and just think of the glory they have bought us. TP's team selections and tactics are sometimes baffaling and it can be very frustrating to watch on occasions but nights like the one I had last night more than make up for it. TP has shown before that we can have serious dips in form and play some seriously negative football but he always comes back to deliver. Just be very sure of what you wish for because if your drive TP away with your negativity you can be sure that Jose will not be leaving Real Madrid to come to Stoke and we would end up with the likes of Mick Fucking Mcarthy or maybe even the great genius that is Kevin Blackwell. Give your heads a shake we've had some of the very best of days over that last 4 years as other posters have already described and I am comparing them to our last golden(ish) patch between 1971 and 1976. Look again not a change in manager just fucking attitude! |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 24, 2012 22:32:56 GMT
jstoke are you saying that watchin 3rd division football would be better than watching a Stoke side winning FA cup semi finals 5-0, seeing the first Stoke side to get to their first FA cup final in over a century and have the honour to witness a Stoke City team represent the English Premier League in Europe. You would give up all this to massage your footballing sensibilities If so you are a bit of a cock I just don't get where this equation.... entertaining football = relegation comes from. |
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 24, 2012 22:34:38 GMT
Putting it like that yeah it does seem like I am a complete an utter cock and if someone said to me 6 years ago we would be in this position I would be over the moon.
Premiership or not, the only thing I'm going on is how excited I am every weekend, and it's a lot less than it was 8 years ago.
I can completely understand how you can see comments like that a load of toss, but I am honestly not enjoying supporting us as much as I was before.
I grew up in London with United, Arsenal and Chelsea fans all around me but I was so proud to be supporting Stoke regardless of the fact we were in Division 2 (at the time) and used to wear my kit everywhere and chant Stoke songs when drunk walking through Leicester Square.
Nowadays I just feel so apathetic about Stoke and I don't see any other reason for it than Pulis and they way he plays football.
Thanks for the insults though, appreciated.
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