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Post by oasis on Feb 5, 2012 18:18:43 GMT
WE WILL NOT GO DOWN THIS SEASON. Hope thats cleared things up for some people
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Post by mistersausage on Feb 5, 2012 18:21:40 GMT
Thankfully, as was the case last season, there will be some clubs who are worse than Stoke.
Ultimately we will run out of luck unless we change our outlook and get one or two more players and a plan B.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 5, 2012 18:25:46 GMT
7 more points will clearly keep us up, and my guess is we'll end up between 45-50 points.
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Post by RAF on Feb 5, 2012 18:28:35 GMT
I don't think we will go down.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 5, 2012 18:33:21 GMT
Thankfully, as was the case last season, there will be some clubs who are worse than Stoke. Ultimately we will run out of luck unless we change our outlook and get one or two more players and a plan B. Yes I think that there are 4 adrift at the bottom, they have some very important fixtures against each other (meaning some of them will get some points!) but I think we will do enough. As for the cup competitions having a negative effect, the next few weeks may just give the opportunity to gain a bit of confidence and / or be forced to play a more attacking style / formation of football. Regardless of our finishing position this season, we need to take a serious look at where the squad needs strengthening and who to offload. If we ignore this then we are in danger or relegation next season.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Feb 5, 2012 18:33:42 GMT
For what its worth I think we will go down I don't see us getting 40 points and while I think the bottom 2 might struggle To get 35 plus I fancy third from bottom will need. 40 , it's why for some tome I've said I see Bolton home as likely to be a £40 million shoot out . By which time we will be in panic mode and the flow of momentum currently Building against us will be in full swing after defeats at Chelsea, spurs, Newcastle, and Fulham . I would be prepared to wager large amounts of cash that the seventeenth club will not need forty points !! Not even close !
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 5, 2012 18:34:59 GMT
We have gone backwards this season, however we will not go down. We will get to at least 40 points, against who and where I am not sure. I don't think we will play particularly well in getting those points. With luck we may continue our cup runs.
I don't think we need a Plan B. We just need to get back to TP's Plan A: wingers with pace, and getting the ball forward quickly to someone with pace and power who can stretch the opposition back four. It isn't pretty but it is exciting and effective. We are currently playing too slowly and too long to an easily marked striker who needs, and lacks, the support of players breaking from midfield.
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Post by matisfaction on Feb 5, 2012 18:57:02 GMT
We have gone backwards this season, People come out with this every season, but mid table finishes and good cup runs contradict this statement. The quality of football isn't great, but as a whole, have we really gone backwards?
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 5, 2012 19:21:55 GMT
Last season I felt we went forwards. I had been very sceptical about the arrival of Jermaine Pennant but to see us with pace on both wings was brilliant. It seemed like real evolution of TP's system. The use of Jonny Walters in the support striker role was also a surprise and a success. His constant running both in defence and attack was an improvement on how Mama had been able to play as second striker. We looked more dynamic than we had previously. Both Wilko and Marc Wilson were looking competent full backs and were starting to offer support to our wingers. Kenwyne seemed to be getting used to the demands of playing up front for Stoke, we had the prospect of Fuller returning to fitness, two good classy keepers, strength at CB. The future looked rosy.
This season we have seen a return to CB's at RB. Pennant pushed out of the side by a developing CB, and a reliance on hitting long balls to a one paced striker with no support and without the ability to beat his man or chase mis-directed balls into the channels behind defences.
We will stay up. We may get a little bit of luck in the cups; if we do, then something amazing is possible. That said I really do believe we have taken a step backwards. I can not remember a time when I have looked forward less to going to games, whether at home or away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 20:15:06 GMT
Sponge hope your right but I still think we are in real real trouble and the chelsea,spurs man city run will crystallise it .
It's not new I've said it since qpr and don't want to be right .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 20:18:11 GMT
We won't go down, we will finish mid table, which when you add to that a European campaign and another fa cup final then it's pretty decent! The football however as been abysmal these last few weeks.
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Post by bertieb on Feb 5, 2012 20:20:36 GMT
I think we may have cobbled enough points together at this stage to stay up but it wont be by a great margin IMHO. 11th downwards I think for us this season, I said last season that I don't think we will be a top ten team with TP here, that's just the way I see it no pro or anti stance just my opinion.
RS
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Post by beefy634 on Feb 5, 2012 20:23:42 GMT
this thread had to come up sometime didnt it! WE WONT GO DOWN! although we wont be top ten like many were creaming over while sitting in 8th for so long we will finnish above relegation. too many teams are in a worse situation than us in many ways. this is a blip.........big blip but a blip non the less
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Post by tomsviews on Feb 5, 2012 20:26:41 GMT
course we wont go down, we are ten points ahead of relegation places, two more wins and we will be comfortably safe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 20:43:51 GMT
I think we will go down
ppl will shoot me down...ok......its just what I think
for what its worth.....I'm a season ticket holder...and will remain to be...if we drop down.....I will be loyal...I have not enjoyed this season
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 5, 2012 21:06:53 GMT
A lot of people saying we are going backwards here! I then just ask how many points did we have last year after 24 matches played? The correct answer is 30, the same as we have now! I must also emphasize that we already have played 38 matches this season, so the tear and wear on our players is considerably larger. Maybe not that bad after all despite losing a lot of unnecessary points as we did last year as well!
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 5, 2012 21:09:37 GMT
WE WILL NOT GO DOWN THIS SEASON. Hope thats cleared things up for some people +1 These might be the best times to ever be a Stoke fan. Premiership football, Europe and a realistic chance of going close in the FA Cup
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Feb 5, 2012 21:31:07 GMT
For us to go down the current three bottom teams have not just got to out perform us they have also got to make up a 10 point deficit and inferior goal difference, we have 14 games to pick up an extra 7 points max surely that's do-able? Apart from the games against the big teams our home form this season has been atrocious, we are shit against the lesser sides at home because they are less arrogant than the top sides and realise that they have to make the effort to nullify our threat which they have done with frightening ease. When you watch other teams even in the lower divisions it is glaringly obvious that our weakness is our midfield which contributes nothing to our attack and until we address it we had just better get used to this season after season. I don't want Tony to go, I just want him to grow a pair and let the team play how we all know they can.
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Post by stokiefromhaslo on Feb 5, 2012 21:40:39 GMT
Luckily this year there are quite a few worse teams than us, if the league replicated last seasons we would be struggling. Thats like saying good job there are 18 worse clubs than man city else they would find themselves in a relegation battle ever thought we are better than them teams and dont deserve go down? You know you'll always get words of wisdom from a Shikari fan ;D
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Feb 5, 2012 21:52:04 GMT
the last 3 seasons were about staying in the league. Pulis admitted that. And we did. This season was meant to be the start of the next 'plan' but we've gone backwards, after investing yet more money in the squad.We won't go down, but this season will go down as a complete failure regardless of how we do in the cups, because the league must always come first. I am quite disappointed that despite making the Cup Final last year and getting into Europe, we haven't really improved our squad or our tactics this season.....I think TP needs to have a long, hard look at himself, and needs to address the obvious deficiencies in the squad come summer. We will not be able to offer prospective additions to the squad the challenge of European football next season, and if Valencia have done their homework, we won't make it past the next round this year, I'm afraid
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 5, 2012 22:00:35 GMT
No chance.
Next season? That might be a very different story.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 5, 2012 22:04:33 GMT
No we won't and neither should we be in any kind of trouble with he money spent.
Let's just say if we do the manager should be sacked.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 5, 2012 22:05:15 GMT
After cooling down from yesterday, I think we will see a positive reaction in our next home game - whereupon Valencia will suffer. If however, we were to lose that, then we would get a reaction against Canvey Island Crawley Town and progress to the 6th round.
In the meantime, we will beat Fulham away and virtually secure our survival in the prem.
No problems, all is well in the land of binary football and we will continue to grind on.
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Post by borat on Feb 5, 2012 22:12:22 GMT
If we go down I will chop my bollocks off and feed them to my dogs, hope that's cleared things up
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Feb 5, 2012 23:27:05 GMT
If we go down I will chop my bollocks off and feed them to my dogs, hope that's cleared things up Owwwwwwww!!!!
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 6, 2012 0:03:46 GMT
30 points
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Post by jacksscfc on Feb 6, 2012 11:41:29 GMT
To be honest I think 33 points will be enough for survival this season JUST. I cant see Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn or Wolves getting 34 points, however i'm fucked if I know where our next 3 points will come from. I think we will survive and finish in 15th or 16th.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 6, 2012 12:07:08 GMT
A lot of people saying we are going backwards here! I then just ask how many points did we have last year after 24 matches played? The correct answer is 30, the same as we have now! Goal difference isn't too clever. We've spent well over £20M in a market where most spent a hell of alot less and have at best stood still. You can split hairs over steps backwards or stayed the same. We have not improved. At all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 13:23:01 GMT
'I think we will go down
ppl will shoot me down...ok......its just what I think
for what its worth.....I'm a season ticket holder...and will remain to be...if we drop down.....I will be loyal...I have not enjoyed this season'
We shouldn't go down, but I've seen many teams over the years get drawn in, from nowhere and cop it.
I will be very happy with 17th,to many thats failure cf how much we have spent. I want the manager to remain, but apart from the European matches I just havent enjoyed the home league matches this season.
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Post by yossi on Feb 6, 2012 19:00:23 GMT
We will win the fa cup we will win the europa league and we will finish 9th in the prem,and sir Peter Coates will give pulis 50 mill to spend in the summer. Wifes just woke me up tea's ready
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