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Post by knowingeye on Feb 1, 2012 8:19:57 GMT
I never liked the idea if him at Stoke City and said as much directly to Peter Coates as the Icelandics (for John, Icelanders) were exiting the club. PC was adamant that he wanted TP as the style of football gave the club a chance in the Championship and on to promotion. PC also fully committed to the club Academy development also fully supported by Phil Rawlins. I said at the time to both PC & PR that TP would not fully support Academy players bringing them through the system.
Gladly I was proved wrong by PC in his choice of TP as manager at that time. PC & PR delivered in terms of the Academy despite the exit of Blake, Bennett and Pejic to name three Academy stalwarts. The Academy in terms of facilities is light years from what it was and the training facilities are proper Premier standard.
TP has taken the club into the top half of the Premier League, playing in Europe and further than many could have wished for.
Many still question TP's tactics. So are they genius, survival or clueless?
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Post by geoffscott on Feb 1, 2012 8:41:26 GMT
BEREFT!
That was how one reporter described our performance last night.
Stoke were bereft of any ideas!
Which basically means our manager didnt know what to do!
In our 4th year in the premier league, with our most expensive starting line up in history our manager still hasn't got a clue how to compete against Manchester Utd!
A team missing the likes of Rooney and Nani, plus an inexperienced goalkeeper making his premier league debut, that we failed to test.
After an investment of £60 - £70 million, Tony Pulis still does not believe he is worthy (or the players he has bought are worthy) of competing against the likes of Man Utd.
Scared rabbit in the headlights comes to mind!
Surely Peter Coates will not continue to invest whilst this poor attitude continues.
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Post by fan4life on Feb 1, 2012 8:50:59 GMT
clueless
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Post by luke2u on Feb 1, 2012 8:55:51 GMT
I think a lot is wrong, and despite 8th place, and should do all we can to hold that place, we're not even trying to play football. On top of it, no new players to make us any better, and really try to fight for a place in the top half of the table.
Now we're only going to play survival, which is really diasappointing when we are where we are now. Lately our play have been really poor, and with nothing changed in the window, I think TP stands out as clueless, ready for a survival battle.
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Post by stodge on Feb 1, 2012 8:57:35 GMT
but then we have the most expensive team we have ever had, relatively we have never been 8th in the top flight yet in reality so unable to win it.
I do agree we are somewhat one dimensional though
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 1, 2012 8:58:41 GMT
It is Icelanders not Icelandics
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 9:08:27 GMT
I don't like some of Pulis' tactics either but he's a pragmatist and his ideology will never change. His argument will always be that it's all about the bigger picture.
You only have to go back to our first season in the Premier League, he basically cherry picked away games such as West Brom and Hull for us to pick up 3 points to supplement our strong home form. Everything else such as the 0-0 draw at Anfield was a bonus.
The problem he has is that football changes like everything else and he is in danger of becoming a footballing dinasour if he doesn't broaden his horizons slightly.
Just from a pure economic point of view football clubs are in the main skint and cannot sustain year on year losses. Coates will not keep shelling out £10m on thirty something forwards with little resale value and rightly so.
We show no signs of promoting talent within and no sign of casting our net far and wide to places such as Central America where Wigan have had lots of success buying players for peanuts and selling them on for big money.
We can't keep treading water season after season, unless you are on of the chosen few you're never an "established" Premier League team, Coventry, Southampton, Leeds, Charlton, Nottm Forest are all testament to that.
My biggest worry is we don't have a follow on plan to the three year plan that got us to this point. I just don't see how we can advance from our current position unless we change our youth/scouting network, and unless Pulis is prepared to open his mind just a little bit to a more expansive way of playing football.
Like it or not it will become harder and harder for the club to shift season tickets with the fare that's on offer at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 9:10:05 GMT
It is Icelanders not Icelandics 18,790 posts of pedantry................. |
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 1, 2012 9:44:19 GMT
It is Icelanders not Icelandics You're absolutely right and we mustn't call them "Puffin Munchers" either, as it's Urban Slang! |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 1, 2012 10:19:58 GMT
Given his comments in the Sentinel today - pretty bloody clueless
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 10:42:30 GMT
BEREFT! That was how one reporter described our performance last night. Stoke were bereft of any ideas! Which basically means our manager didnt know what to do! In our 4th year in the premier league, with our most expensive starting line up in history our manager still hasn't got a clue how to compete against Manchester Utd! A team missing the likes of Rooney and Nani, plus an inexperienced goalkeeper making his premier league debut, that we failed to test.After an investment of £60 - £70 million, Tony Pulis still does not believe he is worthy (or the players he has bought are worthy) of competing against the likes of Man Utd. Scared rabbit in the headlights comes to mind! Surely Peter Coates will not continue to invest whilst this poor attitude continues. Amos (ok it was his debut but still was hoping it would be De Gea) Evra (£5.5 million 190 appearances) Ferdinand (£33 million 254 appearances) Evans (no vidic maybe but still a regular with 64 appearances) Smalling (£12 million 29 appearances) Park Ji-sung (£4 million 131 appearances Carrick (£14 million 165 appeanaces) Scholes (united legend 469 appearances) Valencia (£16 million 59 appearances) Berbatov (£30 million 106 appearances) 14 Hernandez (6 milllion) 45 appearances that 11 cost £120 million with 1512 appearances at the top level between them. (Above nicked from another thread) Hell of a weak side eh!!!! |
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 1, 2012 10:44:16 GMT
BEREFT! That was how one reporter described our performance last night. Stoke were bereft of any ideas! Which basically means our manager didnt know what to do! In our 4th year in the premier league, with our most expensive starting line up in history our manager still hasn't got a clue how to compete against Manchester Utd! A team missing the likes of Rooney and Nani, plus an inexperienced goalkeeper making his premier league debut, that we failed to test.After an investment of £60 - £70 million, Tony Pulis still does not believe he is worthy (or the players he has bought are worthy) of competing against the likes of Man Utd. Scared rabbit in the headlights comes to mind! Surely Peter Coates will not continue to invest whilst this poor attitude continues. Amos (ok it was his debut but still was hoping it would be De Gea) Evra (£5.5 million 190 appearances) Ferdinand (£33 million 254 appearances) Evans (no vidic maybe but still a regular with 64 appearances) Smalling (£12 million 29 appearances) Park Ji-sung (£4 million 131 appearances Carrick (£14 million 165 appeanaces) Scholes (united legend 469 appearances) Valencia (£16 million 59 appearances) Berbatov (£30 million 106 appearances) 14 Hernandez (6 milllion) 45 appearances that 11 cost £120 million with 1512 appearances at the top level between them. (Above nicked from another thread) Hell of a weak side eh!!!! Brilliant reality check. Well done sir. |
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 1, 2012 10:44:24 GMT
If he wins he's a genius, if he loses he's clueless.
Has it ever been any different??
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 1, 2012 10:50:27 GMT
Amos (ok it was his debut but still was hoping it would be De Gea) Evra (£5.5 million 190 appearances) Ferdinand (£33 million 254 appearances) Evans (no vidic maybe but still a regular with 64 appearances) Smalling (£12 million 29 appearances) Park Ji-sung (£4 million 131 appearances Carrick (£14 million 165 appeanaces) Scholes (united legend 469 appearances) Valencia (£16 million 59 appearances) Berbatov (£30 million 106 appearances) 14 Hernandez (6 milllion) 45 appearances that 11 cost £120 million with 1512 appearances at the top level between them. (Above nicked from another thread) Hell of a weak side eh!!!! Brilliant reality check. Well done sir. And if you take out Ferdinand and Berbatov's inflated price tag it cost the same as ours! We had a strikeforce costing £18 million last night. You'd never have known it. |
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Feb 1, 2012 10:56:41 GMT
No you'd never have known it because one of them was in the United half while his ten teamates were in ours.
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Feb 1, 2012 10:59:09 GMT
Our performance last night has nothing to do with the shit fielding a weakened team or not, it's about how well or otherwise we played.
I was initially impressed with team selection other than Jones being on instead of Jerome and really thought we would try to take the game to them. However, and as per usual, we remained " in the cage" rarely venturing out from our defensive shell. Jones was seemingly playing in midfield aka the " Mama Role " and he just doesn't have the balls to get stuck in enough to play there. Walters played so deep as seen by his giving away a needless penalty in our box.
We couldn't put 2 passes together and continued with the usual hump it and hope tactics on the rare occasions we actually managed to get hold of the ball.
The Independent this morning summed it up perfectly, Stoke as usual " appeared overawed by the big stage "
I am sick and tired of the aren't we doing well brigade, we have been in this bloody league now for over 3 years, spent a decent amount of money, and therefore should be capable of putting in a better performance at places like Old Trafford.
Our recent league form is poor, the last 3 home games have not been good enough, Sunderland now is massive, it's about time for us to get back to a bear pit performance.
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Post by shep207 on Feb 1, 2012 11:07:42 GMT
If he wins he's a genius, if he loses he's clueless. Has it ever been any different?? On here it's more like: 'If he wins, he's just done the job he's supposed to do. If he loses, he's a clueless, tactically inept wanker' |
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Post by kevkj on Feb 1, 2012 11:14:15 GMT
Our performance last night has nothing to do with the shit fielding a weakened team or not, it's about how well or otherwise we played. I was initially impressed with team selection other than Jones being on instead of Jerome and really thought we would try to take the game to them. However, and as per usual, we remained " in the cage" rarely venturing out from our defensive shell. Jones was seemingly playing in midfield aka the " Mama Role " and he just doesn't have the balls to get stuck in enough to play there. Walters played so deep as seen by his giving away a needless penalty in our box. We couldn't put 2 passes together and continued with the usual hump it and hope tactics on the rare occasions we actually managed to get hold of the ball. The Independent this morning summed it up perfectly, Stoke as usual " appeared overawed by the big stage " I am sick and tired of the aren't we doing well brigade, we have been in this bloody league now for over 3 years, spent a decent amount of money, and therefore should be capable of putting in a better performance at places like Old Trafford. Our recent league form is poor, the last 3 home games have not been good enough, Sunderland now is massive, it's about time for us to get back to a bear pit performance. Great post and spot on some on here need to remove those rose tinted glasses,loads of awful performance s this eason after spending a fortune. |
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Post by geoffscott on Feb 1, 2012 11:36:09 GMT
Brilliant reality check. Well done sir. And if you take out Ferdinand and Berbatov's inflated price tag it cost the same as ours! We had a strikeforce costing £18 million last night. You'd never have known it. And all of the above just goes to show, no matter the line up, no matter how much money Peter Coates is prepared to invest in Stoke City..... Whilst other managers with a far smaller budget will rise to the challenge, Tony Pulis will never approach games like, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs away looking for a weakness and thinking his side can compete. I will never pay money to attend these games, which for me is disappointing, but more disappointing is seeing fellow supporters accept the 'we are Stoke City and we have no right to be on the same pitch as these teams' mentality. Actually by the declining attendances at Stoke's away fixtures in the premier league I would say those that defend the defeatist attitude are in a very small minority. |
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Post by keithy george on Feb 1, 2012 22:28:18 GMT
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Post by fan4life on Feb 6, 2012 12:05:42 GMT
He as got the IQ of a bleeding pile !!!! PULIS OUT.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 6, 2012 12:19:26 GMT
At this moment in time - survival
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 6, 2012 12:19:30 GMT
How about lucky?  |
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Post by jay1610 on Feb 6, 2012 12:20:44 GMT
The problem with his tactics is that they are too rigid. This means that when they work they are great and can be really effective, but when they are countered by the opposition then the players look like 11 strangers. On top of this, Pulis is really poor at making tactical changes, this for me is where he should earn his money. The only game-changing subs I can recall from his reign pretty much centre around Fuller; Cardiff at home 06/07 and a few others. We will never change the actual formation or shape of the side. This was obvious on saturday, why did he bring Shotton on? We were 0-1 down, why not bring another striker or midfielder on and try and pin Sunderland further back? Like everyone else I am aware of the great job Pulis has done in getting to and keeping us in the Prem, but he is so one-track minded at times it's frustrating.
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Post by danzim on Feb 6, 2012 12:25:33 GMT
FICKLE FICKLE FICKLE.....JESUS...........PULIS IS THE MAN FOR STOKE CITY. THE PLAYERS HE HAS BROUGHT IN PLAYS THE STYLE HES CHOSEN. BE REALISTIC WE STILL ARENT BETTER THAN AN 8TH PLACE SIDE EVEN WITH THE NEW SIGNINGS.
FOR GOD SAKE PLEASE BE MERRY AND ENJOY WATCHING YOUR TEAM OR IN ALL SERIOUSNESS GO WATCH VALE.
Ok all good now
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Post by jay1610 on Feb 6, 2012 12:30:43 GMT
Is it fickle, or do people just want him to pick the team that he has previously and is, it would seem, our strongest??? From around this time last year we looked a good team, so surely it's not unreasonable to want the manager to return to what he has proved is possible? 'Fickle' is an insult to the 20,000+ who turned up in the snow to watch the game on Saturday in my opinion. Why don't YOU go the Vale danzim if you're looking for in-fighting?
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 6, 2012 12:36:49 GMT
FICKLE FICKLE FICKLE.....JESUS...........PULIS IS THE MAN FOR STOKE CITY. THE PLAYERS HE HAS BROUGHT IN PLAYS THE STYLE HES CHOSEN. BE REALISTIC WE STILL ARENT BETTER THAN AN 8TH PLACE SIDE EVEN WITH THE NEW SIGNINGS. FOR GOD SAKE PLEASE BE MERRY AND ENJOY WATCHING YOUR TEAM OR IN ALL SERIOUSNESS GO WATCH VALE. Ok all good now I agree but stop SHOUTING  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 12:48:35 GMT
Bit of everything. I was down in the dumps yesterday, but then I came across all my Europa scarves(sad I know) including the one from Besiktas away.
Now I know the problems can't be ignored and need to be addressed, but two things came to my mind. Pulis got us to Europe! The best we've done for a generation. Secondly, we went on a bad run before the period of games where we clicked and got us into Europe.
The likelihood is that we will go through a good run again this season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 13:18:11 GMT
BEREFT! That was how one reporter described our performance last night. Stoke were bereft of any ideas! Which basically means our manager didnt know what to do! In our 4th year in the premier league, with our most expensive starting line up in history our manager still hasn't got a clue how to compete against Manchester Utd! A team missing the likes of Rooney and Nani, plus an inexperienced goalkeeper making his premier league debut, that we failed to test.After an investment of £60 - £70 million, Tony Pulis still does not believe he is worthy (or the players he has bought are worthy) of competing against the likes of Man Utd. Scared rabbit in the headlights comes to mind! Surely Peter Coates will not continue to invest whilst this poor attitude continues. Amos (ok it was his debut but still was hoping it would be De Gea) Evra (£5.5 million 190 appearances) Ferdinand (£33 million 254 appearances) Evans (no vidic maybe but still a regular with 64 appearances) Smalling (£12 million 29 appearances) Park Ji-sung (£4 million 131 appearances Carrick (£14 million 165 appeanaces) Scholes (united legend 469 appearances) Valencia (£16 million 59 appearances) Berbatov (£30 million 106 appearances) 14 Hernandez (6 milllion) 45 appearances that 11 cost £120 million with 1512 appearances at the top level between them. (Above nicked from another thread) Hell of a weak side eh!!!! Weaker than the one Blackburn put three past. |
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Post by armitagestokie on Feb 6, 2012 13:28:39 GMT
survival without a doubt
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