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Post by tazi on Dec 28, 2011 9:30:27 GMT
TP should just state why he's out of the squad - perhaps a simple 'he isn't towing the line explanation would suffice' because that way potential buyers can attempt to buy him on the cheap... You'd have thought that someone who professes to be so close to the bloke would know not to turn up to the stadium 5 hours too early for a match because he thought it was a 1500 kick off. Oh and it's toeing not towing. H It seems that you actually believe that i turned up at the ground some 6 hours early. Good lord, what a knobber.....
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 28, 2011 11:22:34 GMT
God theres some tedious fcukers on here... Tedious tactics lead to tedious debates. No Tedious tactics + tedious fuckers = Tedious debates.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 28, 2011 14:33:40 GMT
Fortunately its Pulis that manages the side ;D
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 28, 2011 14:37:08 GMT
the top two threads for a minute there were this one and "why Pulis pisses me off"
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Post by timmymallett on Dec 28, 2011 16:47:06 GMT
Maniche,
Your comments are spot on in my opinion.
Pulis has got results but there are many things he does that surely do not benefit the team. No back up wingers, no proper full backs, no fast strikers, the "cage". I am not going to single out any individual players as they are all trying their best. His tactics (mainly set pieces and bully boy) will eventually see us go down in the next few seasons; like it did to Wimbledon.
I find the way Stoke play mind numbing at times unless both our wingers are on and we try to pass and move a bit; I tend to pick and choose my games now after previously holding 15 years worth of season tickets.
I would love Stoke to entertain me a bit more as I don't base everything on results but the majority of fans just want results; hence their love of Pulis.
For me after this season Pulis can go as my enjoyment has declined rapidly.
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2011 17:18:47 GMT
You'd have thought that someone who professes to be so close to the bloke would know not to turn up to the stadium 5 hours too early for a match because he thought it was a 1500 kick off. Oh and it's toeing not towing. H It seems that you actually believe that i turned up at the ground some 6 hours early. Good lord, what a knobber..... Well I chose to believe you yes. Now I know you are a fucking liar it won't happen again. And I said 5 hours not 6 thicko. H
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Post by tazi on Dec 28, 2011 17:21:04 GMT
It seems that you actually believe that i turned up at the ground some 6 hours early. Good lord, what a knobber..... Well I chose to believe you yes. Now I know you are a fucking liar it won't happen again. And I said 5 hours not 6 thicko. H Fcuking tool...
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2011 17:26:07 GMT
Well I chose to believe you yes. Now I know you are a fucking liar it won't happen again. And I said 5 hours not 6 thicko. H Fcuking tool... Are you still pissed off because Pulis isn't as loved as Macari? That's not my fault you know. Or did you really turn up 5 hours early and feel a bit of prick? H
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Post by tazi on Dec 28, 2011 17:28:29 GMT
Maniche, Your comments are spot on in my opinion. Pulis has got results but there are many things he does that surely do not benefit the team. No back up wingers, no proper full backs, no fast strikers, the "cage". I am not going to single out any individual players as they are all trying their best. His tactics (mainly set pieces and bully boy) will eventually see us go down in the next few seasons; like it did to Wimbledon. I find the way Stoke play mind numbing at times unless both our wingers are on and we try to pass and move a bit; I tend to pick and choose my games now after previously holding 15 years worth of season tickets. I would love Stoke to entertain me a bit more as I don't base everything on results but the majority of fans just want results; hence their love of Pulis. For me after this season Pulis can go as my enjoyment has declined rapidly. Why the next few seasons?...... Why not this season, or next?... Comes across as though you aint too sure.... Improving year after year 'apart from last years position' and yet you believe we'll get relegated......priceless knowledge.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 28, 2011 17:31:55 GMT
I don't base everything on results Yes it seems that football supporting is not for you. Sorry it took you a number of years and a lot of money to reach that conclusion.
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Post by tazi on Dec 28, 2011 17:32:13 GMT
Are you still pissed off because Pulis isn't as loved as Macari? That's not my fault you know. Or did you really turn up 5 hours early and feel a bit of prick? H Why would i be pissed off about that?.....Afterall i did call it that TP was the man....Whereas yourself on the other hand made yourself out to be a prick where TP's concerned. Arrived at 7pm thanks RAF....
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 28, 2011 17:33:20 GMT
This thread has turned into quite a nasty little argument. It seems to have become very personal at times.
That's a shame because, regardless of what our opinions are, the general concensus is that we are up there with the best supporters in the premier league.
So let's respect each other, and the fact that we often have different opinions, a little bit more eh Stokies?
You see ............ Even the much derided Sausage can be moderate in times of stress, can soothe an irritated mindset, put to rest a tortured soul or two, and foster a warm feeling of bonhomie among those that wish to punch the fuck out of each other.
Reet nar thee can fuck off up tharn own arse marmate ;D
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Post by tazi on Dec 28, 2011 17:37:50 GMT
Yeah, sorry RAF..... Cock
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2011 17:41:24 GMT
Yeah, sorry RAF..... Cock ;D I don't take offence Tazi. If you ever say anything shitty to me I just think of Lewis Buxton and smile H
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Post by tazi on Dec 28, 2011 17:46:52 GMT
Yeah, sorry RAF..... Cock ;D I don't take offence Tazi. If you ever say anything shitty to me I just think of Lewis Buxton and smile H Good lad.
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 28, 2011 17:51:41 GMT
;D I don't take offence Tazi. If you ever say anything shitty to me I just think of Lewis Buxton and smile H Good lad. Fucking brown hatters
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Post by tazi on Dec 28, 2011 17:55:55 GMT
Fucking brown hatters ;D
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2011 20:07:07 GMT
Listening to the phone in after yesterday - if you dare phone up and have a go at Pulis or how the team played for that matter you always get someone else coming on having a go at you. Same as this message board really. Pulis has done and is doing a fantastic job - 100 % fact. However this does not mean we should not be allowed to be critical when we feel the need arises. Against Man City and yesterday the two performances were binary. Absolute utter rubbish to watch, devoid of any attacking threat and down right negative. Im sorry but that is true. Maybe I feel slightly less tolerant after paying £38 to watch the Man City game and then to be served up yesterday. I kind of tolerated the dross last Wednesday looking at the bigger picture of Villa and Wigan. However yesterday was awful making me feel even more cheated at Eastlands. Again I maintain I would want no other man in charge of Stoke - however by the same token we are allowed to be critical if we want to be. The last 2 games merit such criticism so dont bore me with ...........We are 8th in the league and doing well in Europe. The last 2 games have been pathetic, end of. The critisism should be consistent though, why do Stoke fans suddenly forget the turgid football when we win.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Dec 28, 2011 20:11:48 GMT
The critisism should be consistent though, why do Stoke fans suddenly forget the turgid football when we win.
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 28, 2011 20:43:10 GMT
Listening to the phone in after yesterday - if you dare phone up and have a go at Pulis or how the team played for that matter you always get someone else coming on having a go at you. Same as this message board really. Pulis has done and is doing a fantastic job - 100 % fact. However this does not mean we should not be allowed to be critical when we feel the need arises. Against Man City and yesterday the two performances were binary. Absolute utter rubbish to watch, devoid of any attacking threat and down right negative. Im sorry but that is true. Maybe I feel slightly less tolerant after paying £38 to watch the Man City game and then to be served up yesterday. I kind of tolerated the dross last Wednesday looking at the bigger picture of Villa and Wigan. However yesterday was awful making me feel even more cheated at Eastlands. Again I maintain I would want no other man in charge of Stoke - however by the same token we are allowed to be critical if we want to be. The last 2 games merit such criticism so dont bore me with ...........We are 8th in the league and doing well in Europe. The last 2 games have been pathetic, end of. The critisism should be consistent though, why do Stoke fans suddenly forget the turgid football when we win. So you're saying we should sing "We are Stoke we are Stoke we are stoke .... but we weren'r really shit last week we were just pissed off"
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Post by werrington on Dec 28, 2011 20:45:03 GMT
I put on another thread that some on here should start their own back slapping MB which only opens if we win a match?
They dont want debate
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Post by onionman on Dec 28, 2011 20:53:52 GMT
Listening to the phone in after yesterday - if you dare phone up and have a go at Pulis or how the team played for that matter you always get someone else coming on having a go at you. Same as this message board really. Pulis has done and is doing a fantastic job - 100 % fact. However this does not mean we should not be allowed to be critical when we feel the need arises. Against Man City and yesterday the two performances were binary. Absolute utter rubbish to watch, devoid of any attacking threat and down right negative. Im sorry but that is true. Maybe I feel slightly less tolerant after paying £38 to watch the Man City game and then to be served up yesterday. I kind of tolerated the dross last Wednesday looking at the bigger picture of Villa and Wigan. However yesterday was awful making me feel even more cheated at Eastlands. Again I maintain I would want no other man in charge of Stoke - however by the same token we are allowed to be critical if we want to be. The last 2 games merit such criticism so dont bore me with ...........We are 8th in the league and doing well in Europe. The last 2 games have been pathetic, end of. The critisism should be consistent though, why do Stoke fans suddenly forget the turgid football when we win. If we get a good result, by definition, it's impossible for the match to have been turgid. For me anyway. Even if we only have one shot on target in a 1-0 win, I've got enough excitement out of (A) the moment the ball goes in the net and (B) the release of tension when the final whistle blows, to make up for any lack of aesthetics. I know others go to the game partly to see other things like an entertaining style of pass and move. For me, the entertainment is all in the watching Stoke try and get a result. I guess that means Stoke is a kind of escapism from real life rather than a chance to see some entertainment. Pulis probably loves people like me.
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2011 21:03:05 GMT
The critisism should be consistent though, why do Stoke fans suddenly forget the turgid football when we win. If we get a good result, by definition, it's impossible for the match to have been turgid. For me anyway. Even if we only have one shot on target in a 1-0 win, I've got enough excitement out of (A) the moment the ball goes in the net and (B) the release of tension when the final whistle blows, to make up for any lack of aesthetics. I know others go to the game partly to see other things like an entertaining style of pass and move. For me, the entertainment is all in the watching Stoke try and get a result. I guess that means Stoke is a kind of escapism from real life rather than a chance to see some entertainment. Pulis probably loves people like me. Wanting to see more entertaining football is not the same as expecting Stoke to all of a sudden play carpet football to rival Arsenal and Barcelona. It a matter of playing the game with attacking intent, to set out primarily to win the game instead of not to lose it. Its about wanting our team to play with some sort of balance that is not totally dominated by defence. Also we've won quite a few matches this season and the performances I could only describe as turgid.
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Post by onionman on Dec 28, 2011 21:19:25 GMT
If we get a good result, by definition, it's impossible for the match to have been turgid. For me anyway. Even if we only have one shot on target in a 1-0 win, I've got enough excitement out of (A) the moment the ball goes in the net and (B) the release of tension when the final whistle blows, to make up for any lack of aesthetics. I know others go to the game partly to see other things like an entertaining style of pass and move. For me, the entertainment is all in the watching Stoke try and get a result. I guess that means Stoke is a kind of escapism from real life rather than a chance to see some entertainment. Pulis probably loves people like me. Wanting to see more entertaining football is not the same as expecting Stoke to all of a sudden play carpet football to rival Arsenal and Barcelona. It a matter of playing the game with attacking intent, to set out primarily to win the game instead of not to lose it. Its about wanting our team to play with some sort of balance that is not totally dominated by defence. Also we've won quite a few matches this season and the performances I could only describe as turgid. I do see where you're coming from and clearly you're not alone. Maybe the majority feel the same as you. But for me, every good result we've had this season (and any season before it) has been an enjoyable experience. Sometimes agonising, yes, but I like watching the grinding out of results. Then again, some people will happily sit through five days of next to nothing happening in a Test cricket match just to see the gradual unfolding of a result. I do that too. Tell you what does bore me though: fishing. That's one hell of a grind-out of a result.
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Post by shooters on Dec 28, 2011 21:24:35 GMT
I go along with the onionman. I go to be part of a stoke win and that leaves me happy enough. Exactly the same as when i played football.TP is delivering for Stoke and the club are delivering for the fans - Winning is everything imo as it's a competitve sport and not to be confused with entertainment that you passively sit back & watch. I am not going to Stoke to be entertained I want to be part of a winning team/club/set of fans etc..If we lose i want to have seen us fight for the point , the win..but sometimes you have to accept that they were better , we had an off day, a bad decision etc.. There's nothing wrong with criticising on here as that helps us all get over the stresses & strains in different ways.Before Blackburn i had concerns about TP again but he rides the storm and the club continue to progress. Southend away was my Pulis moment - " Binary Stoke Pulis again ..you can eff off..." to which a sage behind replied "he won't change but he'll get the job done ".. roll on wigan,gillingham and even effing Valencia these days.
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Post by AlliG on Dec 28, 2011 21:26:40 GMT
I put on another thread that some on here should start their own back slapping MB which only opens if we win a match? They dont want debate But are there not equally some who cannot wait to get out the knives when we lose? That is the real problem on here nowadays. It is very difficult to have a reasoned, considered discussion about the good points or the bad. The most vocal from the two extreme wings seem to drown out the voices of those who fluctuate around the "pretty good", "reasonable", "so-so" and "disappointing" regions around the middle ground. Far too many players (or performances) are either "brilliant" or shite" when the reality is that most of them are probably sometimes a bit better than reasonable and other times a bit worse. It is quite difficult to have a reasonable discussion with someone who's opening gambit is "insert name" is "******* ****". Equally the same applies to those who will not acknowledge that there is room for improvement, either individually or collectively. Having read this board daily for 10 years, I might now only come on once a week. I certainly post far less than I used to and even then I am likely to get half way through a post and think, "sod it. Life's too short". There used to be a few posters on here who held quite differing views to my own but I used to read their posts with interest, because at the very least they could put their side of the argument reasonably and with good supporting arguments. However most of those also appear to have either hung up their keyboards (or certainly post much less frequently). The whole of the internet nowadays just seems to be a very angry place where everything is black or white with no shades of grey, so why should here be any different?
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 28, 2011 21:30:03 GMT
Wanting to see more entertaining football is not the same as expecting Stoke to all of a sudden play carpet football to rival Arsenal and Barcelona. It a matter of playing the game with attacking intent, to set out primarily to win the game instead of not to lose it. Its about wanting our team to play with some sort of balance that is not totally dominated by defence. Also we've won quite a few matches this season and the performances I could only describe as turgid. I do see where you're coming from and clearly you're not alone. Maybe the majority feel the same as you. But for me, every good result we've had this season (and any season before it) has been an enjoyable experience. Sometimes agonising, yes, but I like watching the grinding out of results. Then again, some people will happily sit through five days of next to nothing happening in a Test cricket match just to see the gradual unfolding of a result. I do that too. Tell you what does bore me though: fishing. That's one hell of a grind-out of a result. It aint necessarily so my Stokie friend. I've fished since I was 6 (47 years) exactly the same as I've supported Stoke City. My sons, and anyone I've ever taken fishing have NEVER blanked. I catch fish every time I go fishing. The most I've caught in a day is over 300lb of carp in a day at Gyrn Castle Fisheries in Llanassa and it was back breaking but fantastic sport. My eldest son hooked into a double figure carp when he was 9 but I had to land it for him. I still have the photo of him with the fish. Fishing is easy if you do you it right and it's fantastic.
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Post by onionman on Dec 28, 2011 21:38:38 GMT
I do see where you're coming from and clearly you're not alone. Maybe the majority feel the same as you. But for me, every good result we've had this season (and any season before it) has been an enjoyable experience. Sometimes agonising, yes, but I like watching the grinding out of results. Then again, some people will happily sit through five days of next to nothing happening in a Test cricket match just to see the gradual unfolding of a result. I do that too. Tell you what does bore me though: fishing. That's one hell of a grind-out of a result. It aint necessarily so my Stokie friend. I've fished since I was 6 (47 years) exactly the same as I've supported Stoke City. My sons, and anyone I've ever taken fishing have NEVER blanked. I catch fish every time I go fishing. The most I've caught in a day is over 300lb of carp in a day at Gyrn Castle Fisheries in Llanassa and it was back breaking but fantastic sport. My eldest son hooked into a double figure carp when he was 9 but I had to land it for him. I still have the photo of him with the fish. Fishing is easy if you do you it right and it's fantastic. ;D Maybe I'll take up fishing if Pulis and Test cricket stop giving me my boring fix.
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2011 21:46:09 GMT
It aint necessarily so my Stokie friend. I've fished since I was 6 (47 years) exactly the same as I've supported Stoke City. My sons, and anyone I've ever taken fishing have NEVER blanked. I catch fish every time I go fishing. The most I've caught in a day is over 300lb of carp in a day at Gyrn Castle Fisheries in Llanassa and it was back breaking but fantastic sport. My eldest son hooked into a double figure carp when he was 9 but I had to land it for him. I still have the photo of him with the fish. Fishing is easy if you do you it right and it's fantastic. ;D Maybe I'll take up fishing if Pulis and Test cricket stop giving me my boring fix. Where have you been the last decade, Test cricket is very rarely boring these days and drawn games are pretty rare too. I bet Pulis misses Geoff Boycott and Chris Tavare blocking it back for 5 hrs for about 3 runs don't miss that shite one bit.
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