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Post by onionman on Dec 27, 2011 22:00:12 GMT
His team selections often drive me mad - including several times this season.
But then his team selections have been driving us all mad since his first Stoke game, when he subbed Bjarni at Walsall and a few thousand Stokies promptly told him he didn't know what he was doing.
He proved everyone wrong that day at Walsall (the substitution was vindicated even though we still lost), and on balance he's proved me wrong more often than not, otherwise we wouldn't have continued on this upward curve since he joined the club.
I guess the bottom line is there's a method to his madness which has worked so far and shows no sign of failing yet.
He bullshits the media (and by extension the fans) on transfer talk because he wants to get the best deal he can for the club. He publicly brushes misdemeanours from players under the carpet because he doesn't want to worsen dressing room problems. I don't think he does it out of arrogance to us fans.
Criticism is fair enough, of course, because he doesn't get everything right. But those who criticise without any sense of perspective come across as if they're either long-standing opponents to Pulis trying to score points, or just plain old moaning tossers.
I find it a bit sad that phrases like "we're 9th FFS" and "remember where we've come from" are now used mockingly so that anyone who thinks people should keep criticism in perspective is characterised as a loon.
Yes, it was disappointing to draw at home to Villa. But in the scheme of things, considering we'd won four of our previous five games, it's a reasonable point.
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 22:19:22 GMT
The thing that pisses me off more than anything about him is occasions like the Pennant situation right now. I don’t mind if he’s had the towel out and nutted him, I don’t mind if he’s been scrapping with another player with his flip flops on but for fucks sake treat me like a fucking adult and don’t fucking pretend he’s out of the side on merit. That just makes you look like a lying cunt. TP should just state why he's out of the squad - perhaps a simple 'he isn't towing the line explanation would suffice' because that way potential buyers can attempt to buy him on the cheap... You'd have thought that someone who professes to be so close to the bloke would know not to turn up to the stadium 5 hours too early for a match because he thought it was a 1500 kick off. Oh and it's toeing not towing. H
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Post by stoneroses on Dec 27, 2011 22:26:58 GMT
Mr_Sausage
wankest reply ive ever had the misfortune of reading.. after what ive read apart from your nice avatar i will never read anything you put again, i'll just skip past and pretend people like you dont exist as its impossible to be that deluded or intelligent.
Without a doubt the worst summing up of anything to do with stokes recent history ive ever read. If you come out with any of that bollocks at a match id literally just punch you...
'Quite lucky to get promotion' you on acid?
Go learn about football, get some books, dvd's, maybe even WATCH a match what ever it takes.. 8000 posts is a reason this board is associated with un-intelligent cyber fools.
My view on the subject matter is that we are in the best period of history this club has ever been in, embrace it, enjoy it, and the little nitty bits i.e woodgate at right back etc gives up something to have a chat about down the pub besides from basking in this beautiful time to be a stokie.
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 22:31:37 GMT
Of course you would Rambo!
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 22:40:47 GMT
criticise however much you want, we have achieved more than we could have hoped for so far in the prem and europa, yes we are going to have the odd shit game, and we all moan about them. TP has issues with players and injury problems to solve he is 'managing' very well, that's his job. I don't see anyone else doing any better, coates and TP are winning team. Stoke City have never had it so good long may it continue.
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 22:42:49 GMT
Spurs?
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 22:44:08 GMT
fuck off and support spurs then
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 22:45:32 GMT
fuck off and support spurs then So I've shat on your point and you don't like it? I can respect that H
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 27, 2011 22:46:30 GMT
People are well within their rights to criticise poor performances, like our last 2 games. The problems start when idiots say we are wank, TP can't bring us any further or a certain player is wank based on one bad game.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 27, 2011 22:48:19 GMT
Sausage, thought it was a fair ( slightly harsh ) assessment of Stoke city over the last four years !
Not sure we had too much luck with our promotion , we got promoted by merit IMO !
But spot in with rest , too much sentiment involved with supporters , Tony pulis rules with iron fist and rightly so but at the same time he's just an employee of Stoke city , he needs to keep coming up with the goods ( which by large he is doing ) hes paid extremly well to do so,he ain't beyond reproach !
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 27, 2011 22:50:19 GMT
Mr_Sausage wankest reply ive ever had the misfortune of reading.. after what ive read apart from your nice avatar i will never read anything you put again, i'll just skip past and pretend people like you dont exist as its impossible to be that deluded or intelligent. Without a doubt the worst summing up of anything to do with stokes recent history ive ever read. If you come out with any of that bollocks at a match id literally just punch you... 'Quite lucky to get promotion' you on acid? Go learn about football, get some books, dvd's, maybe even WATCH a match what ever it takes.. 8000 posts is a reason this board is associated with un-intelligent cyber fools. My view on the subject matter is that we are in the best period of history this club has ever been in, embrace it, enjoy it, and the little nitty bits i.e woodgate at right back etc gives up something to have a chat about down the pub besides from basking in this beautiful time to be a stokie. Someone's been watching The Football Factory again. I bet you tell people to "Jog on" too ;D Best time in the clubs history? Were you there in the 70's? I doubt it as you have probably only been watching Stoke since they got into the prem. As for not understanding football. I played until I was 44 and was still top scorer in the team I was in and then coached for 4 years after that (the team where Joey Jones AND Neville Southall started off. So stick to FIFA, your playstation 3, and stop spouting hoolie movie one liners on a message board.
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 22:50:25 GMT
fuck off and support spurs then So I've shat on your point and you don't like it? I can respect that H i was thinking about some of the prem managers, with the team and resources we have got no manager has done better than Pulis in my humble opinion, floppy chops would leave spurs in the blink of an eye and take his best players with him to wherever he goes next. I would never want him to manage stoke, same with a few other prem managers i could name ;D
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 27, 2011 22:55:12 GMT
Sausage, thought it was a fair ( slightly harsh ) assessment of Stoke city over the last four years ! Not sure we had too much luck with our promotion , we got promoted by merit IMO ! But spot in with rest , too much sentiment involved with supporters , Tony pulis rules with iron fist and rightly so but at the same time he's just an employee of Stoke city , he needs to keep coming up with the goods ( which by large he is doing ) hes paid extremly well to do so,he ain't beyond reproach ! I wasn't meaning it to be harsh just honest as I see it. Of course others, particularly the 'nouveaux Stokies' will see it as the opposite but football and this board are about opinions. Even during our promotion season I thought we had a fair slice of luck but that's part of football. I don't want to see TP go anywhere but I'd like him to get a good number two and it's a shame we couldn't get Ray Wilkins. As for those who come onto this thread just to hurl insult, strangely the same people would lambast others for doing the same on the davesviews thread. I'd love to be 21 and watching Stoke with that footballing innocence but unfortunately I'm not ;D
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 22:56:42 GMT
So I've shat on your point and you don't like it? I can respect that H i was thinking about some of the prem managers, with the team and resources we have got no manager has done better than Pulis in my humble opinion, floppy chops would leave spurs in the blink of an eye and take his best players with him to wherever he goes next. I would never want him to manage stoke, same with a few other prem managers i could name ;D I'll offer you Paul Lambert who hasn't had anywhere near the backing Pulis has. H
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 22:59:00 GMT
i was thinking about some of the prem managers, with the team and resources we have got no manager has done better than Pulis in my humble opinion, floppy chops would leave spurs in the blink of an eye and take his best players with him to wherever he goes next. I would never want him to manage stoke, same with a few other prem managers i could name ;D I'll offer you Paul Lambert who hasn't had anywhere near the backing Pulis has. offer me him in his 3rd season in the prem with europa and FA cup final under his belt ;D H
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 27, 2011 23:00:02 GMT
i was thinking about some of the prem managers, with the team and resources we have got no manager has done better than Pulis in my humble opinion, floppy chops would leave spurs in the blink of an eye and take his best players with him to wherever he goes next. I would never want him to manage stoke, same with a few other prem managers i could name ;D I'll offer you Paul Lambert who hasn't had anywhere near the backing Pulis has. H Gus Poyet has been doing a good job too but unfortunately doubt he'd want to be a number two now. Paul Lambert is a good shout as would be Brendan Rogers.
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 23:02:23 GMT
I'll offer you Paul Lambert who hasn't had anywhere near the backing Pulis has. offer me him in his 3rd season in the prem with europa and FA cup final under his belt ;D H Again, that wasn't your point , and I've shat on it again. You'll get over it. H
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 27, 2011 23:04:07 GMT
Listening to the phone in after yesterday - if you dare phone up and have a go at Pulis or how the team played for that matter you always get someone else coming on having a go at you. Same as this message board really. Pulis has done and is doing a fantastic job - 100 % fact. However this does not mean we should not be allowed to be critical when we feel the need arises. Against Man City and yesterday the two performances were binary. Absolute utter rubbish to watch, devoid of any attacking threat and down right negative. Im sorry but that is true. Maybe I feel slightly less tolerant after paying £38 to watch the Man City game and then to be served up yesterday. I kind of tolerated the dross last Wednesday looking at the bigger picture of Villa and Wigan. However yesterday was awful making me feel even more cheated at Eastlands. Again I maintain I would want no other man in charge of Stoke - however by the same token we are allowed to be critical if we want to be. The last 2 games merit such criticism so dont bore me with ...........We are 8th in the league and doing well in Europe. The last 2 games have been pathetic, end of. Spot on everyone should have an opinion. It's such a shame that some can't be constructive and are just abusive. TP is the best thing to happen to Stoke in 40 years however even he has his shortfalls and there's nothing wrong with trying to point them out it doesn't make you less of a supporter.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 27, 2011 23:06:08 GMT
there are a few that can't deal anyone criticising Pulis and there are a few that can't deal with anyone defending him
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 23:06:10 GMT
Again, that wasn't your point , and I've shat on it again. You'll get over it. H it was exactly my point, u r full of shit i might add but it's directed away from my point luckily ;D ;D
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 23:08:48 GMT
Again, that wasn't your point , and I've shat on it again. You'll get over it. H it was exactly my point, you r full of shit i might add but it's directed away from my point luckily ;D ;D You can't reason with the thick as shit. I've given you options, you just choose to not only ignore them but forget your original point. Hilarious. H
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 27, 2011 23:09:45 GMT
Again, that wasn't your point , and I've shat on it again. You'll get over it. H it was exactly my point, you r full of shit i might add but it's directed away from my point luckily ;D ;D OOooeerrr You just reminded me my colon is full so I'm off to the thunderbox for a splatter ;D
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 23:16:19 GMT
it was exactly my point, you r full of shit i might add but it's directed away from my point luckily ;D ;D You can't reason with the thick as shit. I've given you options, you just choose to not only ignore them but forget your original point. Hilarious. H I had thought my point had been made clear but obviously you are too thick to get it so i will elaborate I DON'T SEE ANYONE OTHER THAN TP DOING BETTER FOR STOKE CITY. In fact no other prem managers come close to achieveing what he WE have achieved it is a truly amazing time to be a Stoke fan.. frustrating games will happen
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 27, 2011 23:20:10 GMT
I DON'T SEE ANYONE OTHER THAN TP DOING BETTER FOR STOKE CITY. So no other manager, given £90million+ to spend on players, wouldn't have achieved what TP has done?
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 23:20:17 GMT
You can't reason with the thick as shit. I've given you options, you just choose to not only ignore them but forget your original point. Hilarious. H I had thought my point had been made clear but obviously you are too thick to get it so i will elaborate I DON'T SEE ANYONE OTHER THAN TP DOING BETTER FOR STOKE CITY. In fact no other prem managers come close to achieveing what he WE have achieved it is a truly amazing time to be a Stoke fan.. frustrating games will happen Do you remember posting this , it wasn't that long ago?
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 23:24:45 GMT
I DON'T SEE ANYONE OTHER THAN TP DOING BETTER FOR STOKE CITY. So no other manager, given £90million+ to spend on players, wouldn't have achieved what TP has done? who knows ??? in my opinion no he is the one we have got and he is the manager that has delivered, if he gets us to where blackburn are we can all shout for his head meanwhile lets enjoy the ride eh ???
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 27, 2011 23:28:05 GMT
I DON'T SEE ANYONE OTHER THAN TP DOING BETTER FOR STOKE CITY. So no other manager, given £90million+ to spend on players, wouldn't have achieved what TP has done? from the starting position and dripped over the seasons as it has been. I'd be surprised.
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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 27, 2011 23:30:22 GMT
I had thought my point had been made clear but obviously you are too thick to get it so i will elaborate I DON'T SEE ANYONE OTHER THAN TP DOING BETTER FOR STOKE CITY. In fact no other prem managers come close to achieveing what he WE have achieved it is a truly amazing time to be a Stoke fan.. frustrating games will happen Do you remember posting this , it wasn't that long ago? and? i have given an opinion not tried to state a fact which has been disproved because you have mentioned other managers and teams who are clearly better than TP and Stoke City... errrm my opinion is a valid opinion do one ;D
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 27, 2011 23:31:06 GMT
I DON'T SEE ANYONE OTHER THAN TP DOING BETTER FOR STOKE CITY. So no other manager, given £90million+ to spend on players, wouldn't have achieved what TP has done? Roy Keane spent £90m and got the sack. Also, we wouldn't be in a position to spend £90m if TP didn't bring £60m into the club every Premier League season
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 28, 2011 0:21:01 GMT
Listening to the phone in after yesterday - if you dare phone up and have a go at Pulis or how the team played for that matter you always get someone else coming on having a go at you. Same as this message board really. Pulis has done and is doing a fantastic job - 100 % fact. However this does not mean we should not be allowed to be critical when we feel the need arises. Against Man City and yesterday the two performances were binary. Absolute utter rubbish to watch, devoid of any attacking threat and down right negative. Im sorry but that is true. Maybe I feel slightly less tolerant after paying £38 to watch the Man City game and then to be served up yesterday. I kind of tolerated the dross last Wednesday looking at the bigger picture of Villa and Wigan. However yesterday was awful making me feel even more cheated at Eastlands. Again I maintain I would want no other man in charge of Stoke - however by the same token we are allowed to be critical if we want to be. The last 2 games merit such criticism so dont bore me with ...........We are 8th in the league and doing well in Europe. The last 2 games have been pathetic, end of. Anybody can criticise Pulis but if you took it to court the judge would laugh his bollocks off ;D
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