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Post by spitthedog on Dec 27, 2011 17:08:24 GMT
He's been poor for quite a few games now imho, every game the assessment on him seems to be he needs a rest. He's the blue eyed boy on this board who can't do no wrong, but if you take out his 2 penalties, only 2 goals from 18 games, when he has played most games up front, and I think only a handful of decent performances if we are honest.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 27, 2011 17:14:53 GMT
We've flogged him to within an inch of himself.
He started the season well but as the games keep racking up his performances continue to dip.
His work rate is never in question but he is currently nowhere near as sharp as he's been and when you add in the amount of games he's took some real stick off defenders it's no surprise.
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Post by magicmanfuller on Dec 27, 2011 17:16:42 GMT
your right about him needing a rest. its plain for everyone to see and maybe it will happen against wigan. with regards to your point on his goal record - we havent had any prolific strikers since we got into the prem, but i think its more to do with the way we play and the amount of chances we create rather than the quality of the strikers we have had
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 17:19:10 GMT
Your bang on he is a squad player who for no logical reason has become an Untouchable works hard but so did creswell . No Walters bashing he has a valuable role to play but he isn't the centre piece of the team and yet we seem to treat him like Rooney .
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Post by manchesterpotter on Dec 27, 2011 17:21:54 GMT
Walters needs some time off. When will Jerome get a chance?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 27, 2011 17:25:12 GMT
your right about him needing a rest. its plain for everyone to see and maybe it will happen against wigan. with regards to your point on his goal record - we havent had any prolific strikers since we got into the prem, but i think its more to do with the way we play and the amount of chances we create rather than the quality of the strikers we have had Kitson, Beattie, Tuncay, Walters, Crouch, Jerome, Jones, Fuller. Indeed it is the way we play rather than the quality of the strikers.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 27, 2011 17:25:30 GMT
Its a fair point. I'm a big Walters fan but hes been pants for about 7 weeks now. He needs to be dropped (given a rest) and Jerome needs to have a run of games. Hes not scored enough goals and the only thing he is offering at the minute is hard work. I dont think Walters should be undroppable and he should be treated in the same way as all the others. Hes not performing; give him a rest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 18:16:54 GMT
walters has been poor for most of this season, he's not hit the heights of last season at any point
we suddenly look very short of options up there, jerome is definitely not the answer, looks a very poor signing
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Post by heavysoul on Dec 27, 2011 18:57:17 GMT
He's been poor for quite a few games now imho, every game the assessment on him seems to be he needs a rest. He's the blue eyed boy on this board who can't do no wrong, but if you take out his 2 penalties, only 2 goals from 18 games, when he has played most games up front, and I think only a handful of decent performances if we are honest. I have been told that Walters is the only player in the prem to have played in every game this season. So if you count the Europa games he must be due a rest.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 27, 2011 19:01:03 GMT
Hopefully he will get a rest in the next game as his performances haven't been the best recently, with the amount of games he's played and the effort he put in it was always to be expected, time for Fuller to show us hes still got it.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 27, 2011 19:07:00 GMT
Walters always works hard and is a great asset to our squad. He has looked tired recently , has also taken a few knocks and managed to run them off when it may have been wiser to substitute him. If Crouch is available for the Wigan game then this may be a good opportunity to give him a rest or drop him to the bench. I'm sure he'll be desperate to play at Anfield in January, so lets get him in the best possible shape for that game.
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Post by stokester1989 on Dec 27, 2011 21:38:01 GMT
Walters is our very own Blue eyed boy and he is loved because he gives 100 Percent, he stays out last applouding the fans, he has passion when he scores he runs straight to the fans you can tell that he loves playing for Stoke. hes a team player a very hard grafter. he seems genuine thats why hes loved. However hes been ran into the ground you can tell that hes bloody shatterd and he needs light training and a short rest so that we can get our johhny rested and recharged back into his usual sharpness. also id like to add kenweyne jones looks like he needs rest for approximatly a season or so and let jerome have his chance.
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 27, 2011 21:44:03 GMT
We've flogged him to within an inch of himself. He started the season well but as the games keep racking up his performances continue to dip. His work rate is never in question but he is currently nowhere near as sharp as he's been and when you add in the amount of games he's took some real stick off defenders it's no surprise. Absolutely bang on mate and for me the post of the day. He's been abused in being played out of position, played far too much, and generally taken advantage of by desperate management (nothing sexual mind) For me he's been a shining light for us since signing.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 28, 2011 0:43:13 GMT
You dont drop your best players
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 28, 2011 0:48:26 GMT
You dont drop your best players You do when they are knackered
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 28, 2011 0:50:53 GMT
He does need a rest hopefully Ric and Crouchy will be fit for Saturday and Whelan will be back too and we can get back to business.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 28, 2011 0:52:01 GMT
You dont drop your best players You do when they are knackered Has he told you hes knackered???????
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 28, 2011 1:04:16 GMT
You do when they are knackered Has he told you hes knackered??????? I watch him play he's knackered, if he isn't he's nowhere near what he is capable of.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 8:36:39 GMT
bump
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Post by SussexStokie on Dec 28, 2011 10:39:11 GMT
Walters is not tired he is just a waste of space, yes he needs to rest and as far from the Britannia as possible
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Post by AlliG on Dec 28, 2011 10:42:30 GMT
Walters is not tired he is just a waste of space, yes he needs to rest and as far from the Britannia as possible Are you planning to post your (bizarre) views about Walters on every thread today?
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Post by pittshillplotter on Dec 28, 2011 10:44:12 GMT
TIREDNESS can sometimes be confused with poor lack of pace. Speed on the other hand can compensate for poor skill. Given the pace of the average Premiership defender it is no great surprise that Walters goals tally is somewhat lacking. He does work hard and always puts the effort in , but to be a full blown top notch striker , then you have to score goals. It's as simple as that.!
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Post by danzim on Dec 28, 2011 10:46:39 GMT
Walters is not tired he is just a waste of space, yes he needs to rest and as far from the Britannia as possible Back to Cyprus you go mate. Walters is exactly what Stoke stands for, total commitment and valour for a worthy cause.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 28, 2011 10:48:34 GMT
I think he clearly needs a rest, still trying hard but has lost half a yard when it matters most.
Even bringing Jerome on for 20 mins would help.
If crouch is missing on Saturday why not start Jerome with Jones they seem to do ok together in the few games that i have seen them play
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Post by werrington on Dec 28, 2011 10:53:40 GMT
He is suffering from the tired tactics we employ.....he was superb last season when from March onwards we actually played our best side and attacked teams playing some excellent football!!
Alas Tony has reverted back to type and he is suffering again
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 28, 2011 10:53:51 GMT
My concern is that we need a serious alternative for Walters who unfortunately is not consistent, and we haven't got one The problem is Jerome doesn't look up to it, and i dont think the manager is convinced either otherwise he would have been on against Villa. Walters was making absolutely no impact in that game. If you are not going to put him on in a home game for 20 minutes when it is 0-0 then when are you going to use him?
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Post by werrington on Dec 28, 2011 10:58:50 GMT
My concern is that we need a serious alternative for Walters who unfortunately is not consistent, and we haven't got one The problem is Jerome doesn't look up to it, and i dont think the manager is convinced either otherwise he would have been on against Villa. Walters was making absolutely no impact in that game. If you are not going to put him on in a home game for 20 minutes when it is 0-0 then when are you going to use him? Its the tactics mate and not the personel......if we continue to play the way we ( please no ) are then we need a Fuller or similar to run the channels and create something from nothing or force a defender into making a mistake. Walters has no pace and is not suited to that role and he is not the type to play it. The side needs pace pace and more pace as it looks sterile
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Post by pittshillplotter on Dec 28, 2011 11:02:37 GMT
You wouldn't enter 'muffin the mule' in the Grand National if you wanted to win the race.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 28, 2011 12:00:34 GMT
I think the poor form is a mix of firstly, The slight change of tactics we employ with PC (CM's play a lot closer to Crouch) which makes JW the channel runner, a role that does not sit right with him. Secondly, he has no pace as a front man and struggles to perform at this level (only his hard work and sheer determination as carried him this far. And Thirdly, with all of the above and number of games played and the pressure that his role is paramount to the success of the system as played a role in making him ineffective due to being absoluteley FUCKED.
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Post by PixiePotter on Dec 28, 2011 12:04:20 GMT
The work he does is phenomenal and he's extremely effective, but you need a footballer alongside him like Crouch or Fuller, not Jones.
Against Spurs, Walters and Crouch were awesome, and he always seems to perform better at home, but he needs a rest - he's human after all.
It wouldn't harm playing Jerome against Wigan.
Fuller and Crouch for me would be our best combination, though, if we want to keep it solid, why not play Walters on the right with Shotton behind him in the future?
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