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Post by canadianmoose on Dec 26, 2011 18:24:58 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 26, 2011 18:31:00 GMT
Yeh but his knee could explode at any time!  |
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Post by canadianmoose on Dec 26, 2011 18:32:39 GMT
Yeh but his knee could explode at any time! Still waiting.......................................  |
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 26, 2011 18:40:50 GMT
Ah, another thread started when Ba scores.
He has a degenerative knee problem and we were unwilling to take the risk on him, especially after his club moved the goalposts and wanted more money. We were quite right too and the fact he hasn't been injured so far doesn't mean he wouldnt have got injured for us on his 1st days training and then it's £9M down the drain.
He's a top player and would have fitted in brilliantly but we rightly decided he wasn't worth the risk and the club moved on, something some fans need to do.
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Post by canadianmoose on Dec 26, 2011 18:43:19 GMT
Lets see what happens in the medical should he be transferred!
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 26, 2011 18:43:58 GMT
Demba Ba would not have scored anywhere near as many goals for Stoke City as he has done so far for Newcastle.
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Dec 26, 2011 19:36:08 GMT
Demba Ba would not have scored anywhere near as many goals for Stoke City as he has done so far for Newcastle. He has by far better delivery at newcastle, he wouldn't see the ball half as much if he was here. |
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Post by scotpotter on Dec 26, 2011 21:01:57 GMT
His knee will go soon and that will be that!
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 26, 2011 21:41:05 GMT
He'd never have been 'Pulis' fit, unlike Palacios ???
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Post by lewis2k on Dec 27, 2011 0:13:57 GMT
im still waiting to see his "long term" injury to show!!
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Dec 27, 2011 0:23:21 GMT
Stoke didn't sign him because of a current knee problem though did they? Why? Because he hasn't got one.
They didn't sign him because his knee could "explode" at any time, did they? Why? Because it's highly likely that it isn't going to.
They refused to sign him because of a previous knee operation that they thought would cause a degenerative knee condition and one that *could* get worse over a period of time. As atotal layman and one that has no ability in the medicalfield, the only conlcusion I cna come to is that they thought he would develop arthritis some time in the future.
This club was prepared to lash out 9M on him based purely on his ability. I would hope that the medical people are good enough at their jobs to spot any potential problems that would cause the club to ask questions about that.
What we don't know about is the Insurance side of things etc etc.
I don't understand why we are torturing ourselves on a weekly basis. He didn't sign for us and Newcastle were prepared to take a free transfer punt on him with the 35M Andy Carroll money in the bank. Fair play to them and good luck to the player.
We could quite easily be sitting here with a 9M crock on the treatment table, just as easily as sitting here with the hottest striker in Europe in our squad.
Life's a shitter sometimes.
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Post by Mekaneck on Dec 27, 2011 0:28:27 GMT
Where's this £9million come from? it was never that much.
We dropped a bollock. Not the first time and wont be the last.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Dec 27, 2011 0:30:59 GMT
Where's this £9million come from? it was never that much. We dropped a bollock. Not the first time and wont be the last. 9M with add ons was talked about by Pulis. I think he should know, with respect. |
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Post by Tubes on Dec 27, 2011 0:41:54 GMT
if someone offers you 1/10 odds on getting heads on a coin flip, you'd be wrong to gamble on it. If it turns out to be heads, you'd still have been right to refuse the bet.
The point is about making the right decisions at the time. With hindsight, of course you get some wrong, but a massive financial gamble on an uninsurable player isn't the sort of chance we need to be taking.
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Post by potterinperth on Dec 27, 2011 2:40:32 GMT
If we had been offered the same deal that West Ham (loan) and Newcastle (free) he would currently be playing for us and bar any mishaps probably would have meant Crouch wouldn't have even been thought of
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 27, 2011 3:12:22 GMT
I wonder which will occur first? Ba's knee jacks in or Cameron Jerome turns into a Premier League striker?  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 27, 2011 4:03:21 GMT
I bet Dalglish would swap him for Carroll right now ... pretty sure Pardew wouldn't though!  |
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Post by nott1 on Dec 27, 2011 12:48:07 GMT
I'd rather Ba and his bad knee (which has now healed up) than that useless lump Jones!
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 12:50:07 GMT
Ah, another thread started when Ba scores. He has a degenerative knee problem and we were unwilling to take the risk on him, especially after his club moved the goalposts and wanted more money. We were quite right too and the fact he hasn't been injured so far doesn't mean he wouldnt have got injured for us on his 1st days training and then it's £9M down the drain. He's a top player and would have fitted in brilliantly but we rightly decided he wasn't worth the risk and the club moved on, something some fans need to do. RIGHTLY? Are you fucking mental? One of the biggest balls up in recent history. H |
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Post by StokieMatt on Dec 27, 2011 12:53:37 GMT
Pulis wanted him Coates didnt want take risk with 8 million we never signed him, move on |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 27, 2011 12:53:49 GMT
Ah, another thread started when Ba scores. He has a degenerative knee problem and we were unwilling to take the risk on him, especially after his club moved the goalposts and wanted more money. We were quite right too and the fact he hasn't been injured so far doesn't mean he wouldnt have got injured for us on his 1st days training and then it's £9M down the drain. He's a top player and would have fitted in brilliantly but we rightly decided he wasn't worth the risk and the club moved on, something some fans need to do. RIGHTLY? Are you fucking mental? One of the biggest balls up in recent history. H Correct, H and if you ask TP I'm pretty certain he'd agree. Let's not kid ourselves, we desperately wanted him, the medical staff raised an issue which caused us to try and move the goalposts (with a pretty derisory offer) and it went pear from there. Hoffenheim saw there arse and didn't want to deal with us anymore as the move to West Ham subsequently proved. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 27, 2011 13:04:05 GMT
Sentinel mentioned a guaranteed 7.1, rising to 8.2 www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Stoke-City-Ba-deal-remains-balance/story-12533725-detail/story.htmlThe fee was a guaranteed £7.1m to be spread over a period of payments – rising to a maximum of £8.2m with add-ons, such as Stoke remaining in the Premier League over the course of Ba's contract at the Britannia.Regardless of what happened, it's all very sad. 21 in 25 Premier League starts says it all. It'd be fascinating to know what went on between the period we pulled the plug and the time he rocked up at West Ham and signed for them for buttons after another failed medical. Clearly we pissed him/Hoff off somewhere along the line. I vaguely remember Kemp saying that Ba could not play for a period of months while he underwent some remedial treatment - which he subsequently never underwent and promptly started plundering goals for the Hammers almost immediately |
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 27, 2011 13:04:14 GMT
RIGHTLY? Are you fucking mental? One of the biggest balls up in recent history. H Correct, H and if you ask TP I'm pretty certain he'd agree. Let's not kid ourselves, we desperately wanted him, the medical staff raised an issue which caused us to try and move the goalposts (with a pretty derisory offer) and it went pear from there. Hoffenheim saw there arse and didn't want to deal with us anymore as the move to West Ham subsequently proved. This If you act like cunts you generally end up being treated like one, and get fucked. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 27, 2011 13:06:24 GMT
In light of us "getting our pants pulled down and backside slapped" (copyright T. Pulis) over Palacios, it looks even stranger.
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 27, 2011 14:01:48 GMT
Someone remind me how many goals he's scored since we turned him down while his knee "degenerates"?
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Post by smigchop on Dec 27, 2011 14:04:13 GMT
Ba is the new drogba, he's an absolute goal machine!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 14:05:21 GMT
Ah, another thread started when Ba scores. He has a degenerative knee problem and we were unwilling to take the risk on him, especially after his club moved the goalposts and wanted more money. We were quite right too and the fact he hasn't been injured so far doesn't mean he wouldnt have got injured for us on his 1st days training and then it's £9M down the drain. He's a top player and would have fitted in brilliantly but we rightly decided he wasn't worth the risk and the club moved on, something some fans need to do. RIGHTLY? Are you fucking mental? One of the biggest balls up in recent history. H We only know that with hindsight though don't we? We could have paid the £6-7m for him and his knee could have gone within weeks. |
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2011 14:09:25 GMT
RIGHTLY? Are you fucking mental? One of the biggest balls up in recent history. H We only know that with hindsight though don't we? We could have paid the £6-7m for him and his knee could have gone within weeks. It has fuck all to do with hindsight or a bone fide argument that he might break down at any time. Stoke tried to get fly on the deal and caught a fucking flea in the ear. That said I doubt he would have had the service he needs to score the 14 he already has done for Newcastle. H |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 27, 2011 14:09:51 GMT
RIGHTLY? Are you fucking mental? One of the biggest balls up in recent history. H We only know that with hindsight though don't we? We could have paid the £6-7m for him and his knee could have gone within weeks. The only issue for me, Rob is that we seemed relaxed spending good money on Palacios (who I like by the way) despite him coming off the back of an injury. Ba was far closer to match fitness than WP when we were trying to complete the deals so it seems a strange one. Clearly it was done with the best intentions by the medical team but as it stands it looks like they were over cautious on this one. |
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 27, 2011 14:19:23 GMT
We only know that with hindsight though don't we? We could have paid the £6-7m for him and his knee could have gone within weeks. It has fuck all to do with hindsight or a bone fide argument that he might break down at any time. Stoke tried to get fly on the deal and caught a fucking flea in the ear. That said I doubt he would have had the service he needs to score the 14 he already has done for Newcastle. H It has everything to do with hindsight. We are not a big enough club to be able to take a risk on a £8M player unless we are 100% satisfied with his medical. Just because he hasn't broke down so far doesnt mean be wouldn't have broke down for us and, like I said, we were right not to take the risk on him for that price. We would have signed him on the deals Wet Spam and Newcastle got but the risk was to high to pay £8M for him. |
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