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Post by Pugsley on Dec 20, 2011 22:53:11 GMT
I'm talking 1998 when Stoke fans were cheering when Birmingham scored against us, banners wanting the manager sacked, the board sacked (Peter Coates included) and storming the Directors Box after the game! Glad you were happy with that situation. Coates not investing, Bates totally clueless and us getting dicked 7 at home to fucking Birmingham. Football supporters should know their place.
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Post by mylovelymayomammy on Dec 20, 2011 23:01:28 GMT
The good old days eh Pugsley?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 20, 2011 23:05:23 GMT
The good old days eh Pugsley? Oh yeah I pine for them to return ;D I respect the Blackburn fans for standing up for what they believe to be right. In fact the appointment of Kean resembles the appointment of Bates - completely insane.
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:10:15 GMT
The good old days eh Pugsley? Oh yeah I pine for them to return ;D I respect the Blackburn fans for standing up for what they believe to be right. In fact the appointment of Kean resembles the appointment of Bates - completely insane. Bates had won 3 successive games as caretaker manager before Jordan was appointed.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 20, 2011 23:13:14 GMT
Oh yeah I pine for them to return ;D I respect the Blackburn fans for standing up for what they believe to be right. In fact the appointment of Kean resembles the appointment of Bates - completely insane. Bates had won 3 successive games as caretaker manager before Jordan was appointed. Big deal. Bates was the cheap option and as usual the Chairman took it. No one in their right mind could of at the time and can not to this day say Bates was the right man for the job.
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:15:49 GMT
Bates had won 3 successive games as caretaker manager before Jordan was appointed. Big deal. Bates was the cheap option and as usual the Chairman took it. No one in their right mind could of at the time and can not to this day say Bates was the right man for the job. Bates was the obvious choice and should have been appointed before Jordan. The reason for our collapse that season is called the Britannia Stadium. Of our 3 managers that season, Bates had the best record.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 20, 2011 23:17:29 GMT
An obvious choice for someone looking to save money and to appoint a yes man.
You can't seriously say Bates was the correct appointment.
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:19:45 GMT
An obvious choice for someone looking to save money and to appoint a yes man. You can't seriously say Bates was the correct appointment. Of course he was, at the time. The alternative was Kamara from the start of the season!!
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Post by onionman on Dec 20, 2011 23:21:24 GMT
Bad an appointment as Bates was, we probably wouldn't have been relegated if he'd stayed in charge.
Kamara lost virtually every game in the second half of the season, and we still only went down on the last day of the season.
Anyway, I cheered the sixth and seventh Birmingham goals in the 0-7 match. It was my way of registering how angry I was with the players that day. Regardless of whatever Jez Moxey had done before the match, there's no excuse for going on strike during a match.
And in any other walk of life, workers get a pay reduction if they go on strike. Those tossers playing for Stoke that day carried on picking up a full pay packet I was contributing towards.
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:23:35 GMT
Bad an appointment as Bates was, we probably wouldn't have been relegated if he'd stayed in charge. Kamara lost virtually every game in the second half of the season, and we still only went down on the last day of the season. Anyway, I cheered the sixth and seventh Birmingham goals in the 0-7 match. It was my way of registering how angry I was with the players that day. Regardless of whatever Jez Moxey had done before the match, there's no excuse for going on strike during a match. And in any other walk of life, workers get a pay reduction if they go on strike. Those tossers playing for Stoke that day carried on picking up a full pay packet I was contributing towards. I didn't agree with someone going on the pitch to speak to Griff. He was only a young lad at the time. Hadn't Moxey announced through the press on the previous day that he was putting the entire squad up for sale? And were we not 6th in the table when all of this happened.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 20, 2011 23:29:59 GMT
I actually feel sorry for Steve Kean. He's really has taken some serious stick from the Blackburn supporters yet he's worked through with great dignity. At the end of the day he was offered the chance to manage a Premier League club and I think 99% of people in his position would have accepted.
In the end he hasnt been good enough yet surely it is the Venky's chicken chasing organisation (or whatever they're called!) that should take the blame.
Wasn't it Venky's who sacked Allardyce, appointed an unproven manager and then proceded to invest bugger all into the club? It is the board that the Blackburn fans should be targeting, not a manager who has given his all and acted with great dignity.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 20, 2011 23:32:36 GMT
I think he announced 8 players would be released at the end of the season march.
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:35:58 GMT
I think he announced 8 players would be released at the end of the season march. Not good for morale. Bates was sacked on 23rd November 1998. At the time, we were 12th in the table, 3 points off the play offs.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 20, 2011 23:38:30 GMT
Bad an appointment as Bates was, we probably wouldn't have been relegated if he'd stayed in charge. Kamara lost virtually every game in the second half of the season, and we still only went down on the last day of the season. Anyway, I cheered the sixth and seventh Birmingham goals in the 0-7 match. It was my way of registering how angry I was with the players that day. Regardless of whatever Jez Moxey had done before the match, there's no excuse for going on strike during a match. And in any other walk of life, workers get a pay reduction if they go on strike. Those tossers playing for Stoke that day carried on picking up a full pay packet I was contributing towards. I didn't agree with someone going on the pitch to speak to Griff. He was only a young lad at the time. Hadn't Moxey announced through the press on the previous day that he was putting the entire squad up for sale? And were we not 6th in the table when all of this happened. No, we were not 6th at the time. We were in the bottom half of the table. Can we at least try not to rewrite history over this. The club was in a complete and total mess at the time.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 20, 2011 23:41:20 GMT
I think he announced 8 players would be released at the end of the season march. Not good for morale. Bates was sacked on 23rd November 1998. At the time, we were 12th in the table, 3 points off the play offs. Again, no. He was sacked at the end of January and we were NOT three points off the play-offs.
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:45:44 GMT
I didn't agree with someone going on the pitch to speak to Griff. He was only a young lad at the time. Hadn't Moxey announced through the press on the previous day that he was putting the entire squad up for sale? And were we not 6th in the table when all of this happened. No, we were not 6th at the time. We were in the bottom half of the table. Can we at least try not to rewrite history over this. The club was in a complete and total mess at the time. So, this was not the table on the day he was sacked?? www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one/1997-1998/table/1997-11-18Look at the table from a couple of week's before.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 20, 2011 23:51:44 GMT
No, that's not he table on the day he was sacked. He was sacked at the end of January. Am I speaking in code here?
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:56:09 GMT
No, that's not he table on the day he was sacked. He was sacked at the end of January. Am I speaking in code here? 23rd November - evidence below; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chic_Bates
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 20, 2011 23:57:43 GMT
No, that's not he table on the day he was sacked. He was sacked at the end of January. Am I speaking in code here? 23rd November - evidence below; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chic_BatesIs wikipedia classed as "evidence" these days? ;D
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:58:50 GMT
Is wikipedia classed as "evidence" these days? ;D Better than no evidence ;D
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 20, 2011 23:59:03 GMT
Stop using evidence to rewrite history march!!
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Post by march4 on Dec 20, 2011 23:59:38 GMT
Stop using evidence to rewrite history march!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 20, 2011 23:59:58 GMT
Is wikipedia classed as "evidence" these days? ;D Better than no evidence ;D Fair point march! ;D ;D
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 21, 2011 0:01:59 GMT
No, that's not he table on the day he was sacked. He was sacked at the end of January. Am I speaking in code here? 23rd November - evidence below; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chic_BatesAre you really going to beat this to death? Chic Bates was sacked at end of January 1998. Chris Kamara took over at the beginning of February 1998. You're telling me it was November 1998 and then linking to a league table from November 1997. Trust me on this one.
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Post by march4 on Dec 21, 2011 0:02:42 GMT
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 21, 2011 0:05:37 GMT
Stop using evidence to rewrite history march!! What was it that Nicholas Boileau said: "A fool always finds a greater fool to admire him."
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Post by march4 on Dec 21, 2011 0:09:11 GMT
Stop using evidence to rewrite history march!! What was it that Nicholas Boileau said: "A fool always finds a greater fool to admire him." Mid-table Smudge, not " The club was in a complete and total mess at the time" Blackburn and Bolton are in a mess. We would have been better off with Chic, wouldn't we?? That is the lesson of history.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 21, 2011 0:13:05 GMT
The club was in a mess, they had that big cold stadium that people refused to call home to pay for
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 21, 2011 0:14:20 GMT
So, I'm a few days out and you're several months out and we're discussing memory being a funny thing? ;D Looking back through some old Oatcakes it seems we were 16 points off the play-offs after that Birmingham humiliation and just 4 points above the bottom three. And that's from a position where we'd actually been in the top five at the end of October. We were playing terribly, dropping like a brick and frantically trying to sell any player we could get a price for. We were a club in crisis.
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Post by march4 on Dec 21, 2011 0:14:46 GMT
The club was in a mess, they had that big cold stadium that people refused to call home to pay for That was the root of the problem and the unrealistic expectations that a good start to the season had brought.
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