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Post by Squeekster on Dec 18, 2011 18:11:24 GMT
Sorry mate but history is just that! I was 13 stone and had a full set of hair 20 years ago. You and us are where we are because we deserve to be there. He was just reacting to an uncalled for dig at his club mate I know mate its a fact though, i have always liked Sheff Weds and idolized David Hurst as a player but we have history too but it counts for jack shit! When we were in the old division 3 did anyone mention we are second oldest club in the world?
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Post by megsonhatesutd on Dec 18, 2011 18:13:52 GMT
Fair enough, I bit, and shouldn't have.
20 years ago we were in Europe like you lot, finishing 3rd in the top league. 2 cup finals in the same year, with 4 players in the England squad.
What I'm trying to say is enjoy it. Book that ticket to Valencia because you don't know whats round the corner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 18:17:08 GMT
Fair enough, I bit, and shouldn't have. 20 years ago we were in Europe like you lot, finishing 3rd in the top league. 2 cup finals in the same year, with 4 players in the England squad. What I'm trying to say is enjoy it. Book that ticket to Valencia because you don't know whats round the corner. Matey there are enough of us on here to know what it has been like to be round that corner and enough of us to know that you don't take this purple patch for granted
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 18, 2011 18:17:51 GMT
Fair enough, I bit, and shouldn't have. 20 years ago we were in Europe like you lot, finishing 3rd in the top league. 2 cup finals in the same year, with 4 players in the England squad. What I'm trying to say is enjoy it. Book that ticket to Valencia because you don't know whats round the corner. And that my friend is exactly what we and all football fans should embrace in todays uncertain world of football.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 18, 2011 18:20:04 GMT
Theres the Liverpools Man Utds etc......then the Villas Evertons etc....then the rest are numerous clubs...ourselves Wolves Forests etc and that is where you sit also I'd say they are potentially at the Villa, Everton level tbh. But they remind me of Sunderland in that they have punched well below their weight since the 30's, a bit like Huddersfield!
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Post by trumptonriots on Dec 18, 2011 18:20:41 GMT
I remember being really gutted in when was it 1993? FA Cup & League Cup finals, Both finals were Arse Vs Sheff Wed and i bloody despised Arsenal then and even more so now for reasons more personal to Stoke City. In the League Cup Wednesday took the lead through that American guy, can't remember his name then that lad Morrow who got dropped to the floor celebrating after by Tony Adams scored their winner. The FA Cup final went to a replay and then Arse scored right at the end of extra time. I remember Mark "camp as Christmas" Bright missing an open goal as well. Arse won both, bad times. I've probably got some things wrong there, but age does deteriorate the mind
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2011 18:21:08 GMT
I like Sheff Wed as a club and they are a big club despite their current position.
Undoubtedly, they would be capable of attracting bigger crowds than us if they were enjoying our current form and stature but don't get carried away into thinking you are a massive club who is so much bigger than us.
Don't forget, we had the best part of 23 years in the doldrums, with countless scumbags and hangers on gracing our club and we lost a whole generation of support as a result.
Sheff Wed have been slumming it for quite some time now (not sure how long but 10 years +) and your crowds have dropped to the 17k-18k mark.
Our crowds held up at around 15-16k on average and in the early 90's, when we had hope even at the lower level, regularly drew 20k plus crowds.
Sheff Wed are a big club but so are we. Sheff Wed are probably bigger but nowhere near as much as our visiting friend seemed to suggest in biting to the ignorance of one of our own.
Stoke and Sheff Wed are both big clubs in their own right but more importantly than anything, are REAL clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 18:24:43 GMT
I remember being really gutted in when was it 1993? FA Cup & League Cup finals, Both finals were Arse Vs Sheff Wed and i bloody despised Arsenal then and even more so now for reasons more personal to Stoke City. In the League Cup Wednesday took the lead through that American guy, can't remember his name then that lad Morrow who got dropped to the floor celebrating after by Tony Adams scored their winner. The FA Cup final went to a replay and then Arse scored right at the end of extra time. I remember Mark "camp as Christmas" Bright missing an open goal as well. Arse won both, bad times. I've probably got some things wrong there, but age does deteriorate the mind John Harks was the American if my memory serves
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Dec 18, 2011 18:27:56 GMT
I have a soft spot for Wednesday, as when things went tits up for them ,they tried to put their house in order by drastically cutting their wage bill as a consequence of which they find themselves where they are now , but they never went into administration unlike Leicester , Middlesboro and Ipswich none of whom suffered as much. I would love to one day see them back in the Prem. where they belong and renew our rivalry of the 60s and early 70s when we had some cracking matches. If they can get promoted this year they will have some momentum and with the crowds they can attract I am sure it won't be to long before they are back to the promised land. And No you can't keep Marshall.
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Post by andyswfc on Dec 18, 2011 18:37:43 GMT
Fair enough, I bit, and shouldn't have. 20 years ago we were in Europe like you lot, finishing 3rd in the top league. 2 cup finals in the same year, with 4 players in the England squad. What I'm trying to say is enjoy it. Book that ticket to Valencia because you don't know whats round the corner. WE are where we deserve to be my friend...no amount of Hirsts Waddles Atkinsons or cup finals will change that..Stoke are where they deserve to be...and they have fought and scratched their road to get there..WE need to take that on board and do the same...I don't give a flyer for who gets how many attending...I don't give a flyer for history...There is no football history anymore....Sky sport sound bites have done away with Stoke City being one of the oldest clubs in the league..Or Sheffield Wednesday being one of the more famous clubs in the league...its all knee jerk and immediate...thats why Stoke take such a fvckin' hammering from the media...they have shoved their way to the Premiership trough, and put some noses out of joint... If Wednesday do half as much I'll be satisfied...because what your purist football fan doesn't understand is...there have been 20'000 at The Victoria and Hillsborough when the teams were sh*t...all of a sudden theres 40'000 at Stamford bridge....when there used to be 10....if it turns sh*t shaped at Chelsea...all your peripheral pundits simply head to Arsenal....doesn't happen in Sheffield or Stoke..we are stuck with what we have...there is no option...thats why i like Stoke City..proper club...proper fans...football as i see it...maybe i'm a dinosaur and totally wrong about it all...but i ain't going to change my views on it...its local. tribal..its pride in what you are and where you come from....you don't trip across a Stoke or Wednesday fan in Fvckin' Finland..they have Liverpool or Chelsea shirts on..but would not recognise a real football supporter if they knocked on the door raped the wife an' ran off with the kids...plastic pundits knitting fog.....
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Post by tazi on Dec 18, 2011 18:39:48 GMT
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Post by trumptonriots on Dec 18, 2011 18:43:09 GMT
Fair enough, I bit, and shouldn't have. 20 years ago we were in Europe like you lot, finishing 3rd in the top league. 2 cup finals in the same year, with 4 players in the England squad. What I'm trying to say is enjoy it. Book that ticket to Valencia because you don't know whats round the corner. WE are where we deserve to be my friend...no amount of Hirsts Waddles Atkinsons or cup finals will change that..Stoke are where they deserve to be...and they have fought and scratched their road to get there..WE need to take that on board and do the same...I don't give a flyer for who gets how many attending...I don't give a flyer for history...There is no football history anymore....Sky sport sound bites have done away with Stoke City being one of the oldest clubs in the league..Or Sheffield Wednesday being one of the more famous clubs in the league...its all knee jerk and immediate...thats why Stoke take such a fvckin' hammering from the media...they have shoved their way to the Premiership trough, and put some noses out of joint... If Wednesday do half as much I'll be satisfied...because what your purist football fan doesn't understand is...there have been 20'000 at The Victoria and Hillsborough when the teams were sh*t...all of a sudden theres 40'000 at Stamford bridge....when there used to be 10....if it turns sh*t shaped at Chelsea...all your peripheral pundits simply head to Arsenal....doesn't happen in Sheffield or Stoke..we are stuck with what we have...there is no option...thats why i like Stoke City..proper club...proper fans...football as i see it...maybe i'm a dinosaur and totally wrong about it all...but i ain't going to change my views on it...its local. tribal..its pride in what you are and where you come from....you don't trip across a Stoke or Wednesday fan in Fvckin' Finland..they have Liverpool or Chelsea shirts on..but would not recognise a real football supporter if they knocked on the door raped the wife an' ran off with the kids...plastic pundits knitting fog..... Brilliant post.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 18, 2011 18:43:29 GMT
you don't trip across a Stoke or Wednesday fan in Fvckin' Finland.. Great post mate but Stoke do have quite a large Scandinavian following who have followed them passionately throughout all the dross. The working mans ballet caught cancer in 1992 and is dying a horrible mutated death!
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Dec 18, 2011 18:43:50 GMT
Fair enough, I bit, and shouldn't have. 20 years ago we were in Europe like you lot, finishing 3rd in the top league. 2 cup finals in the same year, with 4 players in the England squad. What I'm trying to say is enjoy it. Book that ticket to Valencia because you don't know whats round the corner. WE are where we deserve to be my friend...no amount of Hirsts Waddles Atkinsons or cup finals will change that..Stoke are where they deserve to be...and they have fought and scratched their road to get there..WE need to take that on board and do the same...I don't give a flyer for who gets how many attending...I don't give a flyer for history...There is no football history anymore....Sky sport sound bites have done away with Stoke City being one of the oldest clubs in the league..Or Sheffield Wednesday being one of the more famous clubs in the league...its all knee jerk and immediate...thats why Stoke take such a fvckin' hammering from the media...they have shoved their way to the Premiership trough, and put some noses out of joint... If Wednesday do half as much I'll be satisfied...because what your purist football fan doesn't understand is...there have been 20'000 at The Victoria and Hillsborough when the teams were sh*t...all of a sudden theres 40'000 at Stamford bridge....when there used to be 10....if it turns sh*t shaped at Chelsea...all your peripheral pundits simply head to Arsenal....doesn't happen in Sheffield or Stoke..we are stuck with what we have...there is no option...thats why i like Stoke City..proper club...proper fans...football as i see it...maybe i'm a dinosaur and totally wrong about it all...but i ain't going to change my views on it...its local. tribal..its pride in what you are and where you come from....you don't trip across a Stoke or Wednesday fan in Fvckin' Finland..they have Liverpool or Chelsea shirts on..but would not recognise a real football supporter if they knocked on the door raped the wife an' ran off with the kids...plastic pundits knitting fog..... Very elequently put I concur100%.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 18, 2011 18:48:16 GMT
Fair enough, I bit, and shouldn't have. 20 years ago we were in Europe like you lot, finishing 3rd in the top league. 2 cup finals in the same year, with 4 players in the England squad. What I'm trying to say is enjoy it. Book that ticket to Valencia because you don't know whats round the corner. WE are where we deserve to be my friend...no amount of Hirsts Waddles Atkinsons or cup finals will change that..Stoke are where they deserve to be...and they have fought and scratched their road to get there..WE need to take that on board and do the same...I don't give a flyer for who gets how many attending...I don't give a flyer for history...There is no football history anymore....Sky sport sound bites have done away with Stoke City being one of the oldest clubs in the league..Or Sheffield Wednesday being one of the more famous clubs in the league...its all knee jerk and immediate...thats why Stoke take such a fvckin' hammering from the media...they have shoved their way to the Premiership trough, and put some noses out of joint... If Wednesday do half as much I'll be satisfied...because what your purist football fan doesn't understand is...there have been 20'000 at The Victoria and Hillsborough when the teams were sh*t...all of a sudden theres 40'000 at Stamford bridge....when there used to be 10....if it turns sh*t shaped at Chelsea...all your peripheral pundits simply head to Arsenal....doesn't happen in Sheffield or Stoke..we are stuck with what we have...there is no option...thats why i like Stoke City..proper club...proper fans...football as i see it...maybe i'm a dinosaur and totally wrong about it all...but i ain't going to change my views on it...its local. tribal..its pride in what you are and where you come from....you don't trip across a Stoke or Wednesday fan in Fvckin' Finland..they have Liverpool or Chelsea shirts on..but would not recognise a real football supporter if they knocked on the door raped the wife an' ran off with the kids...plastic pundits knitting fog..... Brilliantly put mate and 47,303 at Eastlands today again today puts it into play the hangers on.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 18, 2011 18:55:33 GMT
There's some toucheeeeeeee fookers on this thread, Mark... this board is always full of touchy folkers...& definitely more touchy than feely
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2011 19:55:37 GMT
You have kind of summed up what I was saying there SWFC.
Crowds and all that are irrelevant. We are both big clubs in our own rights and more importantly than anything, Stoke City and Sheffield Wed are PROPER football clubs with REAL fans who know more about supporting our clubs than 99.9% of those hangers on who support the Liverpool's, Manures, Arsenals and Chelsea's of this world.
When you visit to keep us posted about the progress of Marshall, there should be no arguments, venom or snidey comments. The majority of us remember only too well what we are all about and would only wish good football supporting folk of clubs like Wednesday, all the very best.
In much the same way, I can't really abide Leeds, but you really can't fault their away support since their fall from grace. Their home crowds dropped to about 20k at one point, but their away followings have been sell-outs wherever they have gone. Fair play to them for that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2011 13:05:34 GMT
Be nice if we heard some positive news on Marshall's contract soon.... twitter.com/#!/John__Percy john__Percy can you do some digging john and find out if we r any closer to extending loan or perm signing Ben Marshall. #injohnpercyitrust
@nickbeighton the plan is for permanent but its up to Stoke. Friendship between Pulis and Megson puts you in box seatwww.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/160235-benny-marshall/Just watching MOTD and he reminds me a lot of Wolves Matt Jarvis in the way he plays! Vital we keep hold of him, what a talent He reminds me of a young Chris Waddle Love the bloke, top player and could potentially be in the England set-up in years to come.
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Post by mcf on Dec 21, 2011 13:12:06 GMT
When we were getting slated at the weekend in the Mail - was it Barcelona or Sheffield Wednesday that we were being measured against?
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Dec 21, 2011 13:58:09 GMT
When we were getting slated at the weekend in the Mail - was it Barcelona or Sheffield Wednesday that we were being measured against? Stockport
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Post by jbstokie on Dec 21, 2011 16:37:23 GMT
There's nothing arrogant about stating that playing well in League One is different than playing in the Premier League.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Dec 21, 2011 17:16:55 GMT
I agree with JB, the original post was misinterpreted, he only meant that it is hard to judge how good a Premier League player he would be having only seen him up against League 1 opposition.
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Post by djralphy2k9 on Dec 21, 2011 17:17:37 GMT
We're in the league you used to be in a few years back, the only difference being we have 3 x the crowds you used to get. Another thing on our side is history, tradition and success. I'm fairly sure most Premier League clubs would prefer us in the top league instead of Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan etc etc. i would love to see sheff weds with us in the premiership, they are a great club and would rather have them there instead of QPR, Wolves and Notlob
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Post by worstgolfer on Dec 21, 2011 17:28:46 GMT
just remind me what division you are playing in again? And to think we question the bigger clubs for their arrogance!! No offence but what has The Premiership done to some fans of our club whoa just there is what are you trying to say about me? i have seen stoke play in the prem,second,and third division and like it or not there is a gap in class betwen the divisions. [as there should be!!] i am pleased to see anyone connected with stoke city doing well but there are only xi starting places so i believe its better for the fringe players to go out on loan and gain some experience. richard cresswell has scored a few for sheff utd but i dont see anyone clamouring for his reinstatement of the team. in pulis i trust
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Post by worstgolfer on Dec 21, 2011 17:32:57 GMT
We're in the league you used to be in a few years back, the only difference being we have 3 x the crowds you used to get. Another thing on our side is history, tradition and success. I'm fairly sure most Premier League clubs would prefer us in the top league instead of Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan etc etc. crowds x3 ? are you having a laugh rose tinted spectacles and all that. i wonder how many you would be getting if you dropped to mid-table? p.s.if you dont like our site then piss off back to your own board numpty
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 21, 2011 22:12:37 GMT
Jesus, we are talking 100 years ago here....can we keep the size of a club to its current achievments please???? Talking history i.e. 100 years or even 50 or 20 is a bit much.
If a team forms anew and gets pushed through the leagues within 10 years and wins the league...are they big because of their owners, because of their support size or because they win stuff?
Clearly a club should be judged in size by 3 inputs:
1) The support, national and international 2) The income channels - the owners riches, the merchandise sales, national and international popularity in marketing and investment (R.E. Club Worth including player assets) 3) Recent achievments - Cups won/lost, competitions wualified for, consistent league finishes.
Whats the point in history honestly? so we can all feel good when in a bad situation? How about realising the facts, when grandad says ''well in my day''.....that stays there, we dont suddenly gain a higher status because of what used to be!
Im even sceptical about the amount home support means, as teams can easily manage to challenge champions league status with 40k fans so long as there is an international popularity and merchandise sales plus a billionaire in the backing (Chelsea). Fans only dictates occasion and stadium size. Its great that your fans still go to games but in all honesty there are not many teams in your northern regions to challenge in terms of support?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 21, 2011 22:24:46 GMT
I hope he is good enough and comes back, we need good young players pushing for games here
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 27, 2011 16:40:12 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 27, 2011 20:30:15 GMT
twitter.com/#!/John__Percy/status/151757782226448385 #Stoke ready to offer Ben Marshall a new contract and then loan him to #SWFC for rest of season. Could be sorted this week. #SCFC
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 8:35:33 GMT
bump
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