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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 11, 2008 13:01:16 GMT
I am a student at Keele university as well as a life long Stoke City fan. I am studying sociology and was wondering if anyone had a spare 5 minutes to answer this questionnaire for part of my research. If you feel you do not wish to broadcast your responses on the Oatcake, please copy and paste the questionnaire into an email and send to: u5c68@ugc.keele.ac.uk Thank you very much.
This questionnaire is in relation to a study on British Muslims and how they are reported on by the written press in Britain. All information you offer in completing this questionnaire will be kept strictly confidential and you may request for your questionnaire to be withdrawn from the study at any time. Please answer all questions as truthfully and to the best of your ability. No judgments will be made towards any of your responses.
SECTION 1: GENERAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING BRITISH MUSLIMS Age: Gender: Religious beliefs: Which newspaper do you read most regularly? 1.The British population is in the region of 60 million. Considering this fact, how many Muslims do you think currently reside in Britain?
2.In which British city do you believe the majority of Muslims in Britain reside?
3.How many Muslim immigrants do you think enter Britain each year?
4.Do you think divorce is illegal for Muslims?
5.Do you believe Britain is a multicultural society? Please explain whether you believe this is a positive or negative thing?
Please select the relevant answers for the next 2 questions and delete those which do not apply to your answer: 6.Where have you gained the majority of your knowledge regarding Muslims and the Islamic faith? Books Education Friends and family The media – please specify which media(s) Other - please specify
7.How often, if at all, do you mix with Muslims (either socially or in an employment or work setting)? Daily Weekly Monthly Less than monthly Never
8.What in your opinion would be the best thing about being a Muslim in this country?
9.What in your opinion would be the worst thing about being a Muslim in this country?
SECTION 2: YOUR GENERAL OPINIONS TOWARDS BRITISH MUSLIMS Please select the relevant answers for the next question and delete those whcih do not apply to your answer. 1.Do you believe British Muslims are reported on differently by the media in comparison to other religious minority groups in this country? Select as many answers as you wish. No - they receive the same coverage Yes - British Muslims receive greater coverage Yes - British Muslims receive less coverage Yes - British Muslims receive more positive coverage Yes - British Muslims receive more negative coverage Other - please specify
2.Please rate the following statements from 1 to 7, with 1 being totally disagree and 7 being totally agree: The Islamic faith is mainly unchanging, fixed or monolithic - Muslims are well integrated into British society - Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan, are repressive against women - British Muslims are unfairly treated by the British government - Islamic countries are unfairly treated by the British government - British Muslims are unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - The Islamic faith is unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - Muslims are a peaceful section of British society - Too many laws have been made to protect British Muslims - The recent media hype concerning Islam and Muslims is unjustified -
SECTION 3: YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTIONS TO BRITISH MUSLIMSTo what extent do you experience each of the following emotions when you think about British Muslims? Please answer on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being not at all and 7 being very much. Sympathy - Anger - Annoyance - Fear - Disgust - Threatened - Sadness - Anxious - Irritation - Tenderness - Warmth -
1.In general, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being very negative and 7 being very positive, what is your overall opinion of Muslims?
Thank you for taking the time to complete this questionnaire
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 11, 2008 13:50:09 GMT
here we go then mate and good luck. age 43 male atheist independent 1,,2.5 million 2,,,london 3,,,15000 4,,,no 5,,,yes(so long as they act like british whites)positive 6,,,general knowledge talking to muslims and travel,books 7,,,weekly 8,,,from the muslims i have met they are pround and look after each other and a strong sense of right and wrong 9,,,red tape and racists section 2 1,,Yes - British Muslims receive more negative coverage,,2 2,,,Muslims are well integrated into British society -5 Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan, are repressive against women -1 British Muslims are unfairly treated by the British government -2 Islamic countries are unfairly treated by the British government -3 British Muslims are unfairly portrayed by British newspapers -2 The Islamic faith is unfairly portrayed by British newspapers -3 Muslims are a peaceful section of British society -1 Too many laws have been made to protect British Muslims -5 The recent media hype concerning Islam and Muslims is unjustified - 2
section 3
Sympathy -4 Anger -1 Annoyance -1 Fear -1 Disgust -1 Threatened -1 Sadness -3 Anxious -1 Irritation -1 Tenderness -3 Warmth - 3
my overall opinion of muslims is positive,,6
the race hate propaganda by the sun daily mail and other certain media moguls have a profound affect on the average joes opinion and has a damaging affect on our nation
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 14:33:27 GMT
SECTION 1: GENERAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING BRITISH MUSLIMS Age: 27 Gender: Male Religious beliefs: Athiest Which newspaper do you read most regularly? The Sun
1.The British population is in the region of 60 million. Considering this fact, how many Muslims do you think currently reside in Britain?
Too many
2.In which British city do you believe the majority of Muslims in Britain reside?
They are bloody everywhere
3.How many Muslim immigrants do you think enter Britain each year?
Too many
4.Do you think divorce is illegal for Muslims?
Who gives a shit
5.Do you believe Britain is a multicultural society? Please explain whether you believe this is a positive or negative thing?
Yes and it pisses me off
Please select the relevant answers for the next 2 questions and delete those which do not apply to your answer: 6.Where have you gained the majority of your knowledge regarding Muslims and the Islamic faith?
Other - please specify - the BNP
7.How often, if at all, do you mix with Muslims (either socially or in an employment or work setting)?
Never
8.What in your opinion would be the best thing about being a Muslim in this country?
Free money
9.What in your opinion would be the worst thing about being a Muslim in this country?
The weather
SECTION 2: YOUR GENERAL OPINIONS TOWARDS BRITISH MUSLIMS Please select the relevant answers for the next question and delete those whcih do not apply to your answer. 1.Do you believe British Muslims are reported on differently by the media in comparison to other religious minority groups in this country? Select as many answers as you wish.
No - they receive the same coverage
2.Please rate the following statements from 1 to 7, with 1 being totally disagree and 7 being totally agree:
The Islamic faith is mainly unchanging, fixed or monolithic - i don't understand Muslims are well integrated into British society - 1 Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan, are repressive against women - 7 British Muslims are unfairly treated by the British government - 1 Islamic countries are unfairly treated by the British government - 1 British Muslims are unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 1 The Islamic faith is unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 1 Muslims are a peaceful section of British society - 1 Too many laws have been made to protect British Muslims - 7 The recent media hype concerning Islam and Muslims is unjustified - 1
SECTION 3: YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTIONS TO BRITISH MUSLIMSTo what extent do you experience each of the following emotions when you think about British Muslims? Please answer on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being not at all and 7 being very much.
Sympathy - 1 Anger - 7 Annoyance - 7 Fear - 7 Disgust - 7 Threatened - 7 Sadness - 1 Anxious - 1 Irritation - 7 Tenderness - 1 Warmth - 1
1.In general, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being very negative and 7 being very positive, what is your overall opinion of Muslims? 1
How many answers are you expecting like the above? There are people who think like this but they will not answer your questionnaire thus rendering your research pointless!!!
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 11, 2008 14:53:39 GMT
loony how is this possible .Where have you gained the majority of your knowledge regarding Muslims and the Islamic faith? Other - please specify - the BNP
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 11, 2008 15:00:57 GMT
if people do think like that then they are entitled to their opinion. so far I have recieved many answers with similar opinions to what you have responded with. I have also had many responces in complete contrast to what you wrote. people do express their opinions, however extreme they maybe, and are more likely to do so over the internet where it is anonymous, that is why I have offered an email address to respond to. I don't care too much about what people think, i just want true responses so i can write a dissertation on it without having to make answers up, as it is an interesting topic. I very much appreciate anyone who offers their response, however extreme or unextreme their opinions are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 15:32:47 GMT
Bostedclog - please read the whole post Well, I am honestly suprised by that oggy!
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Feb 11, 2008 16:06:33 GMT
SECTION 1: GENERAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING BRITISH MUSLIMS Age: 21 Gender: MALE Religious beliefs: NONE/Atheis Which newspaper do you read most regularly? THE SUN/THE STAR
1.The British population is in the region of 60 million. Considering this fact, how many Muslims do you think currently reside in Britain?
I THINK AROUND 7.5MILLION
2.In which British city do you believe the majority of Muslims in Britain reside?
BIRMINGHAM
3.How many Muslim immigrants do you think enter Britain each year?
20,000
4.Do you think divorce is illegal for Muslims?
YES
5.Do you believe Britain is a multicultural society? Please explain whether you believe this is a positive or negative thing?
IT IS, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM EVERYWHERE LIVING IN THE UK. IT IS NEGATIVE BECAUSE IT CAUSES TENSION AND OPENS US UP FOR TERRORSIT ATTACKS
Please select the relevant answers for the next 2 questions and delete those which do not apply to your answer: 6.Where have you gained the majority of your knowledge regarding Muslims and the Islamic faith? Education Friends and family
7.How often, if at all, do you mix with Muslims (either socially or in an employment or work setting)? Daily
8.What in your opinion would be the best thing about being a Muslim in this country?
THE POLICE FORCE AND THE AUTHORITIES, YOU CAN CLAIM RACISM DUE TO THE COLOUR OF YOUR SKIN, ALSO THE UK IS TOO PC SO BEING A MUSLIM IS BENIFICIAL BECAUSE NOBODY CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU WITHOUT BEEN LABELED A RACIST - sad but true!
9.What in your opinion would be the worst thing about being a Muslim in this country?
THE NF, RACIST THUGS...ALSO EXTREME ISLAMIC TERRORISTS. THEY GIVE MUSLIMS A BAD NAME. THE NORMAL BRITTISH MUSLIM THEN BECOEMS A TARGET BY UK PEOPLE
SECTION 2: YOUR GENERAL OPINIONS TOWARDS BRITISH MUSLIMS Please select the relevant answers for the next question and delete those whcih do not apply to your answer. 1.Do you believe British Muslims are reported on differently by the media in comparison to other religious minority groups in this country? Select as many answers as you wish.
Yes - British Muslims receive greater coverage - WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CERTAIN MUSLIMS WANTING TO CAUSE TERROR TO THIS COUNTRY AND TO THE WEST IN GENERAL, SO THERFORE, THE MEDIA REPORTS MORE ABOUT THIS, IT ISNT CHRISTIANS CAUSING TERROR IS IT?
2.Please rate the following statements from 1 to 7, with 1 being totally disagree and 7 being totally agree: The Islamic faith is mainly unchanging, fixed or monolithic 7- Muslims are well integrated into British society - 5 Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan, are repressive against women - 5 British Muslims are unfairly treated by the British government - 1 Islamic countries are unfairly treated by the British government - 1 British Muslims are unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 4 The Islamic faith is unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 2 Muslims are a peaceful section of British society - 4 - NOT ALL ARE Too many laws have been made to protect British Muslims - 2 The recent media hype concerning Islam and Muslims is unjustified - 2
SECTION 3: YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTIONS TO BRITISH MUSLIMSTo what extent do you experience each of the following emotions when you think about British Muslims? Please answer on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being not at all and 7 being very much. Sympathy - Anger - 2 Annoyance - 2 Fear - 5 Disgust - 4 Threatened - 5 Sadness - 4 Anxious - 4 Irritation - 4 Tenderness -2 Warmth - 3
1.In general, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being very negative and 7 being very positive, what is your overall opinion of Muslims?
Thank you for taking the time to complete this questionnaire
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 11, 2008 16:55:32 GMT
Yes - British Muslims receive greater coverage - WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CERTAIN MUSLIMS WANTING TO CAUSE TERROR TO THIS COUNTRY AND TO THE WEST IN GENERAL, SO THERFORE, THE MEDIA REPORTS MORE ABOUT THIS, IT ISNT CHRISTIANS CAUSING TERROR IS IT?
yes didnt we start the whole bloody afair
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Post by fatterthanparkin on Feb 11, 2008 18:42:44 GMT
Bosted - just how far back are you going with your 'We started it' comment?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 11, 2008 19:09:26 GMT
19 Male Catholic Guardian
1. Two million 2. London 3. 30,000 4. I'd say no... but re-marriage is? 5. It's halfway there because it attempts it, but communities tend to stick together. And I'd say "negative", because as a Marxist I would say that multiculturalism presents a problem as it renders the concept of "identity" very difficult to achieve, in that there is no one, unifying cultural force.
6. Friends and the media. Like it or not, the "human consciousness" is a construct of society, and the more you hear of something, the more you take that on board to be "the truth". So whilst I acknowledge that the media is full of spin and half-truths, I am aware that I will have been influenced by it in some way.
7. Never, I don't actually know any Muslims.
8. Britain is the most liberal country on the planet, so there is less religious discrimination here than anywhere else in the world.
9. The only problems that Muslims would face would be applicable to Western society as a whole, nothing would be specific to Britain, but I would say the "terrorist" stereotype.
10. Other- it depends on the story and the event being reported on. Sometimes I feel that there are various "pro-Muslim" reportings from the left-minded Media in order to encourage social harmony and others portray the opposite message.
11.The Islamic faith is mainly unchanging, fixed or monolithic - 6 Muslims are well integrated into British society - 2 Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan, are repressive against women - 6 British Muslims are unfairly treated by the British government - 2 Islamic countries are unfairly treated by the British government - 2 British Muslims are unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 3 The Islamic faith is unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 3 Muslims are a peaceful section of British society - 5 Too many laws have been made to protect British Muslims - 2 The recent media hype concerning Islam and Muslims is unjustified - 4
I'm afraid I can't answer question twelve because I don't think of "Muslims" on such terms, and I view "Islam" with indifference.
Edit- Just realised I've typo'd.
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 11, 2008 19:20:37 GMT
Here's another set of answers, oggy. SECTION 1: GENERAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING BRITISH MUSLIMS Age: 36 Gender: FEMALE Religious beliefs: CHRISTIAN AGNOSTIC Which newspaper do you read most regularly? INDEPENDENT 1.The British population is in the region of 60 million. Considering this fact, how many Muslims do you think currently reside in Britain? 1.5 MILLION 2.In which British city do you believe the majority of Muslims in Britain reside? LONDON 3.How many Muslim immigrants do you think enter Britain each year? 50,000 4.Do you think divorce is illegal for Muslims? NO 5.Do you believe Britain is a multicultural society? Please explain whether you believe this is a positive or negative thing? IT'S FAILING TO BE. I WISH IT WAS MORE SUCCESSFUL. Please select the relevant answers for the next 2 questions and delete those which do not apply to your answer: 6.Where have you gained the majority of your knowledge regarding Muslims and the Islamic faith? Books Education Friends and family The media – please specify which media(s) Other - please specify FRIENDS, MEDIA 7.How often, if at all, do you mix with Muslims (either socially or in an employment or work setting)? Daily Weekly Monthly Less than monthly Never WEEKLY/MONTHLY BUT USED TO BE DAILY 8.What in your opinion would be the best thing about being a Muslim in this country? FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT, SECURE CONFIDENT CULTURE 9.What in your opinion would be the worst thing about being a Muslim in this country? RACISM, EXCLUSION, EXPOSURE TO RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM SECTION 2: YOUR GENERAL OPINIONS TOWARDS BRITISH MUSLIMS Please select the relevant answers for the next question and delete those whcih do not apply to your answer. 1.Do you believe British Muslims are reported on differently by the media in comparison to other religious minority groups in this country? Select as many answers as you wish. No - they receive the same coverage Yes - British Muslims receive greater coverage Yes - British Muslims receive less coverage Yes - British Muslims receive more positive coverage Yes - British Muslims receive more negative coverage Other - please specify GREATER COVERAGE, MORE POSITIVE COVERAGE, MORE NEGATIVE COVERAGE 2.Please rate the following statements from 1 to 7, with 1 being totally disagree and 7 being totally agree: The Islamic faith is mainly unchanging, fixed or monolithic - 2 Muslims are well integrated into British society - 3 Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan, are repressive against women - 5 British Muslims are unfairly treated by the British government - 1 Islamic countries are unfairly treated by the British government - 7 British Muslims are unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 4 The Islamic faith is unfairly portrayed by British newspapers - 4 Muslims are a peaceful section of British society - 4 Too many laws have been made to protect British Muslims - 2 The recent media hype concerning Islam and Muslims is unjustified - 2 SECTION 3: YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTIONS TO BRITISH MUSLIMSTo what extent do you experience each of the following emotions when you think about British Muslims? Please answer on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being not at all and 7 being very much. Sympathy - 5 Anger - 3 Annoyance - 1 Fear - 1 Disgust - 1 Threatened - 1 Sadness - 3 Anxious - 3 Irritation - 1 Tenderness - 5 Warmth - 5 1.In general, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being very negative and 7 being very positive, what is your overall opinion of Muslims? I JUST DON'T HAVE A GENERAL RESPONSE, I TREAT PEOPLE AS PEOPLE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND ISN'T COVERED HERE. I HATE AND FEAR MILITANT RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM OF ANY KIND. AFTER ECONOMIC IMPERIALISM IT'S THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE ON THE PLANET RIGHT NOW. I DON'T AUTOMATICALLY CONNECT IT WITH ISLAM BECAUSE AMERICAN FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANITY IS NO BETTER. Thank you for taking the time to complete this questionnaire YOU'RE WELCOME, GOOD LUCK
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 11, 2008 19:24:42 GMT
The Lefties are out in force, Boother
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 11, 2008 19:39:46 GMT
La revolución, Sal, la revolución.
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 11, 2008 20:02:54 GMT
So, now there's a banner for a Muslim dating site at the top of this, last week we were all gay, this week we're all Muslims...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 23:44:41 GMT
Since I do Sociology myself(only AS level so far) I thought I'd help you SECTION 1: GENERAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING BRITISH MUSLIMS Age:17 Gender: m Religious beliefs: agnostic Which newspaper do you read most regularly? None in particular, possibly the sentinel, just for Stoke news 1.The British population is in the region of 60 million. Considering this fact, how many Muslims do you think currently reside in Britain? 5 Million 2.In which British city do you believe the majority of Muslims in Britain reside? London 3.How many Muslim immigrants do you think enter Britain each year? 5,000 4.Do you think divorce is illegal for Muslims? at a guess, no, it's just frowned upon like catholic 5.Do you believe Britain is a multicultural society? Please explain whether you believe this is a positive or negative thing? Positive in some aspects, it's good to have a diverse society and have different experiences in our societ, however we still need to keep our traditions. Please select the relevant answers for the next 2 questions and delete those which do not apply to your answer: 6.Where have you gained the majority of your knowledge regarding Muslims and the Islamic faith? Books Education 7.How often, if at all, do you mix with Muslims (either socially or in an employment or work setting)? Daily 8.What in your opinion would be the best thing about being a Muslim in this country?Better job opportunities 9.What in your opinion would be the worst thing about being a Muslim in this country? Racism SECTION 2: YOUR GENERAL OPINIONS TOWARDS BRITISH MUSLIMS Please select the relevant answers for the next question and delete those whcih do not apply to your answer. 1.Do you believe British Muslims are reported on differently by the media in comparison to other religious minority groups in this country? Select as many answers as you wish. Yes - British Muslims receive greater coverage 2.Please rate the following statements from 1 to 7, with 1 being totally disagree and 7 being totally agree: The Islamic faith is mainly unchanging, fixed or monolithic -5 Muslims are well integrated into British society - Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Pakistan, are repressive against women -4 British Muslims are unfairly treated by the British government -2 Islamic countries are unfairly treated by the British government -4 British Muslims are unfairly portrayed by British newspapers -5 The Islamic faith is unfairly portrayed by British newspapers -6 Muslims are a peaceful section of British society -4 Too many laws have been made to protect British Muslims -3 The recent media hype concerning Islam and Muslims is unjustified -4 SECTION 3: YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTIONS TO BRITISH MUSLIMSTo what extent do you experience each of the following emotions when you think about British Muslims? Please answer on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being not at all and 7 being very much. Sympathy -3 Anger -2 Annoyance -3 Fear -1 Disgust -1 Threatened -1 Sadness -2 Anxious -3 Irritation -2 Tenderness -2 Warmth -2 1.In general, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being very negative and 7 being very positive, what is your overall opinion of Muslims? 4
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 11, 2008 23:59:51 GMT
f.a.o fatterthanparkin.how far do you want to go back name a century 17,18,19,20, or the 21 or in each of these centurys we have invaded exploited pillaged murdered enslaved and even armed and financed a lot of the terrorism which now exists and affects us all.So yes christianity has a lot to answer for la révolution est pour que tous embrassent
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 12, 2008 0:00:59 GMT
47. Male. No religious persuasion. The Guardian, The Mail. 3.5 million London. 15,000 No to divorce. Yes I think it is mulitcultural...Immigrant's are queing up to get here. Is It Positive....Yes if you're poor or repressed. I never mix with Muslims...because there aren't any where I live Yes there would be a much better standard of living. I have gained my knowledge of Muslim beliefs by mainly media sources. The worst thing about living in a Muslim Country would be its religious beliefs and associated laws.Poverty and life expectancy too. I think the Muslim get greater coverage in the press.
The 1-7 questions.. 1.....2 2.....
Sod it ...I got bored .I'll have another go tomorrow.
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 12, 2008 0:04:59 GMT
where do you live mumf
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 12, 2008 0:06:57 GMT
I live below my avatar...!
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 12, 2008 0:12:23 GMT
im sure theres plenty of muslims in there mate
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 12, 2008 0:16:03 GMT
No there isn't ...Well I can't see any..mind you I'm in the solitary wing..
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Post by serpico on Feb 12, 2008 0:27:44 GMT
Yes - British Muslims receive greater coverage - WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CERTAIN MUSLIMS WANTING TO CAUSE TERROR TO THIS COUNTRY AND TO THE WEST IN GENERAL, SO THERFORE, THE MEDIA REPORTS MORE ABOUT THIS, IT ISNT CHRISTIANS CAUSING TERROR IS IT? Our foreign policy causes the terrorism, IE our occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan etc, our unwavering support of Israel, our propping up of repressive corrupt dictators in the middle east IE Pakistan, the Saudi regime etc. The overwhelming reason for modern day Islamic terrorism is occupation, for instance the 9/11 attacks happened mainly because of the US army bases on holy land in Saudi arabia (15 of the 19 hijackers from saudi arabia), amongst other things, and thats something the US now recognizes, Paul Wolfowitz has even admitted they caused resentment and they've now been largely dismantled, problem is they've been moved to Iraq, so the problems won't go away.
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 12, 2008 0:35:55 GMT
V For Vendetta top film mate have you seen Children of Men
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 12, 2008 0:40:55 GMT
Serpico...."15 of the 19 hijackers from Saudi arabia".
Perhaps they may have thought differently if Saddam had invaded Saudi too after his Invasion of Kuwait.
Just imagine if the vast Oil fields of the middle east were now controlled by him or Iran.
Just imagine if Iran had its own Nuclear weapons..
Why was Israel set up in the first place..?
Who would you prefer as your world guardian angel...
1.Iraq.
2.Iran.
3.Saudi Arabia.
4. America.
5 Siria
You do make some valid points but world peace and proseperity relies predominately on what path America takes... To interfere with that balance would inevitably have dire consequences for world stability and global security. America is the world's Policemen... Every country needs this. The middle east needs it more than most...they might not like it,but we have American bases over here.They call it their holy land...we call it East Anglia and Faslane.
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 12, 2008 0:46:57 GMT
Just imagine if the vast Oil fields of the middle east were now controlled by him or Iran. why what would have happened
Just imagine if Iran had its own Nuclear weapons..
the usa are the only country ever to have used a nuclear bomb in anger.end of. ask the people of nagasaki and hiroshima there thoughts on the matter the usa as my guardian angel .God forbid the thought
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Feb 12, 2008 0:57:32 GMT
My point was that media makes the point of the islamic extrmeists
The reports don't say when 19 Extreme christianites hijacked 4 planes on 9/11/01
or July 7th Bombings were executed by Christianity training camps
The media, what we know says that these are muslim
My point is that media makes reference to the fact taht they are muslim
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 12, 2008 1:00:32 GMT
We won the Nuclear arms race...and it saved hundreds of thousands of lives both American and Japanese.
Never forget this fact....and it is a fact.
So much so that after the second bomb was dropped the Emperor of Japan rejected calls from the military to carry on fighting to the last man.
He realised that there was more at stake.
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 12, 2008 1:19:16 GMT
We won the Nuclear arms race...and it saved hundreds of thousands of lives both American and Japanese you say
japan was a spent force at the time mumf and wasnt capable of wiping its own arse.the airforce had been decimated and the navy crushed at many famous battles.they were no threat to anyone my friend.the usa just wanted to humiliate them and force them to surrender .they (usa)could and should have pulled out and aplied other means to end the war.No-one in their right mind can ever ever condonre the use of such a demonic use of such a desrtructive device.Robert Oppenheimer should hang is head in shame for all eternity
. Quoting from the Bhagavad Gita, he Oppenheimer said "If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 12, 2008 1:26:00 GMT
Bosted Clog...You are entitled to your opinions on such matters and that of individuals opposed at that time or since to the events that took place. However the historical importance and significance is widely reported and considered an act of mercy which broadly speaking has never been contested in the global archives of World Historical events.,and strategies.The Emperor was seen later as the saviour of his people and a couple of years later was entertained by the Queen to embrace the post war entente cordial....although not many British survivors of the Japanese P.O.W camps appreciated this at the time. (As many died in Japanese p.o.w camps as were killed by the two nuclear bombs.)
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 12, 2008 1:43:10 GMT
The surviving victims of the bombings are called Hibakusha , Hibakusha?), a Japanese word that literally translates to "explosion-affected people". The suffering of the bombing is the root of Japan's postwar pacifism, and the nation has sought the abolition of nuclear weapons from the world ever since. As of 31 March 2007, there were 251,834 hibakusha recognized by the Japanese government; most live in Japan.[47] The government of Japan recognizes about 1% of these as having illnesses caused by radiation.[ The memorials in Hiroshima and Nagasaki contain lists of the names of the hibakusha who are known to have died since the bombings. Updated annually on the anniversaries of the bombings, as of August 2007 the memorials record the names of almost 400,000 hibakusha — 253,008[49] in Hiroshima, and 143,124[ in Nagasaki. News accounts often use these figures as a source for the numbers of people who have died because of the bombings. 400000 dead some act of mercy ??? but hey oh cmon stoke stuff the southerners tomorrow chaps
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