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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 8, 2011 15:00:02 GMT
I feel very sorry for the Vale and their fans. I think it's petty and small-time to wish ill upon them. They're a local Potteries football club, supported by local Stoke people. What would you have these people do, go and support Man Utd or Chelsea? Jump on the Stoke City bandwagon now we're in the top tier? These people have the decency to give loyal support to their unfashionable struggling football club, and all some Stokies can do (during a massive purple patch) is rub it in. And if it's because Vale fans used to poke fun at us when we were in a bad way, do people not consider it petty to do the same when they're in even worse shape, and we're currently in such a fantastic state? That's surely not enough reason to hope for their entire fan base to suffer? I doubt people would wish the same misery on other clubs - when other failing clubs' fans come on here saying they're raising money to save their club from administration etc we normally all express our sympathy and best wishes, so why does this empathy with our fellow football fan break down when he's also our neighbour? Vale appear to be an absolute shambles at the moment, and I don't see any prospect of them getting sorted out (Choudhury would only make things worse, he's as dodgey as anything), so personally I feel very sorry for them and wish them all the best. Well said Sir.
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Dec 8, 2011 15:41:44 GMT
I feel very sorry for the Vale and their fans. I think it's petty and small-time to wish ill upon them. They're a local Potteries football club, supported by local Stoke people. What would you have these people do, go and support Man Utd or Chelsea? Jump on the Stoke City bandwagon now we're in the top tier? These people have the decency to give loyal support to their unfashionable struggling football club, and all some Stokies can do (during a massive purple patch) is rub it in. And if it's because Vale fans used to poke fun at us when we were in a bad way, do people not consider it petty to do the same when they're in even worse shape, and we're currently in such a fantastic state? That's surely not enough reason to hope for their entire fan base to suffer? I doubt people would wish the same misery on other clubs - when other failing clubs' fans come on here saying they're raising money to save their club from administration etc we normally all express our sympathy and best wishes, so why does this empathy with our fellow football fan break down when he's also our neighbour? Vale appear to be an absolute shambles at the moment, and I don't see any prospect of them getting sorted out (Choudhury would only make things worse, he's as dodgey as anything), so personally I feel very sorry for them and wish them all the best. well said Sir. You have to respect a proper football fan who supports their local club through thick and thin, when they could justifiably wear a man U or City shirt. Some of my fondest football memories were the sell outs against Vale and the Baggies in the Lou era, in a packed out Boothen... I have no great love of the Vale but the lower leagues keep football alive as a peoples sport, we have more in common with them than with the man Us and Man Citys of this world.
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Post by lancer on Dec 8, 2011 15:52:12 GMT
A lot of fans will be gloating over the problems at Vale Park. They are wrong to do so. The unique thing about English football is the number of professional clubs in the league structure. I'm sure this contributes to the quality of the Championship, which is the 4th highest attended league in Europe - with crowds far bigger than you get in the top division of most countries. The health and strength of the league pyramid depends upon the health and strength of its clubs - even the smaller ones. Everytime a club goes into administration, or worse still, liquidation, the pyramid as a whole is weakened. I hope Vale survive as a league club although I'm struggling to see how they will manage to do so. A bit of honesty from their board would help. Well put, Lakey. I fully endorse every word.My sympathies are with the true Vale fans, who are, and have been as loyal as any Stokies in their love and support of their club. The faithful supporters have kept the Vale alive for a long time now, as have the similar support of Stoke when things were rough.The Vale fans really deserve better than they've been dealt for a long time now. We know we've had to put up with the arsehole section of the Vale support wishing us harm, but we've handed it out to them too.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Dec 8, 2011 15:52:26 GMT
Stoke is the smallest city in Britain to support 2 professional football clubs.
Simple fact of the matter is that 2 clubs in a city of 250,000 is not sustainable.
To paraphrase "This town ain't big enough for the both of us."
So it's "Taxi for The Vale!"
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 8, 2011 15:57:59 GMT
Today at 3:50pm, Stokieson wrote:<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" class="quote" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td width="100%">I feel very sorry for the Vale and their fans. I think it's petty and small-time to wish ill upon them. They're a local Potteries football club, supported by local Stoke people. What would you have these people do, go and support Man Utd or Chelsea? Jump on the Stoke City bandwagon now we're in the top tier? These people have the decency to give loyal support to their unfashionable struggling football club, and all some Stokies can do (during a massive purple patch) is rub it in.
And if it's because Vale fans used to poke fun at us when we were in a bad way, do people not consider it petty to do the same when they're in even worse shape, and we're currently in such a fantastic state? That's surely not enough reason to hope for their entire fan base to suffer? I doubt people would wish the same misery on other clubs - when other failing clubs' fans come on here saying they're raising money to save their club from administration etc we normally all express our sympathy and best wishes, so why does this empathy with our fellow football fan break down when he's also our neighbour?
Vale appear to be an absolute shambles at the moment, and I don't see any prospect of them getting sorted out (Choudhury would only make things worse, he's as dodgey as anything), so personally I feel very sorry for them and wish them all the best.</td></tr></tbody></table>
well said Sir. You have to respect a proper football fan who supports their local club through thick and thin, when they could justifiably wear a man you or City shirt. Some of my fondest football memories were the sell outs against Vale and the Baggies in the Lou era, in a packed out Boothen... I have no great love of the Vale but the lower leagues keep football alive as a peoples sport, we have more in common with them than with the man Us and Man Citys of this world.
Very well put
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Post by deadleg on Dec 8, 2011 16:37:46 GMT
If the Vale went under they would simply be replaced by one of several better-run clubs in the Conference. The football league would not be damaged one jot.
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Post by jonah77 on Dec 8, 2011 16:46:46 GMT
If the Vale went under they would simply be replaced by one of several better-run clubs in the Conference. The football league would not be damaged one jot. this. the only damage would be to the inbred weirdos of burslum.
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Post by march4 on Dec 8, 2011 17:05:00 GMT
As much as i am a Stoke fan its getting more than a joke at the Vale. The supporters are being let down terribly by a board anyone would be ashamed to have. The sooner someone with a vision of something like what i set out below the better for them. 1. Sell Vale Park. 2. Bank the cash and invest in a 10000 all seater stadium on brownfield land somewhere in tunstall/burslem 3. Use the remaining cash from the sale to solidify the club and playing staff. 4. Job done #1 might be a bit of a problem. The land is hardly Wychwood Park and it is built on a former quarry that included mine shafts in one corner. So how much is an unstable plot of land in the back end of Burslem worth??
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 8, 2011 18:11:56 GMT
As much as i am a Stoke fan its getting more than a joke at the Vale. The supporters are being let down terribly by a board anyone would be ashamed to have. The sooner someone with a vision of something like what i set out below the better for them. 1. Sell Vale Park. 2. Bank the cash and invest in a 10000 all seater stadium on brownfield land somewhere in tunstall/burslem 3. Use the remaining cash from the sale to solidify the club and playing staff. 4. Job done I have a much better plan. 1: Sell Vale Park and the entire team. 2: Bank the cash and raise the stadium to the ground. 4: Use the banked cash to tarmac the land. 5: Open a big open market on the land and operate it as a pay as you go car park when the market is closed. Job done .............. Simples
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Post by Mr Wheeze on Dec 8, 2011 19:41:00 GMT
Cant believe some of the responses on here about that lot from Burslem. Some people have gone soft! If it were us in their position, 99% of Vale fans would be laughing their bollocks off at us. Said if before and i'll say it again, i wouldnt wish for them to go bump and fold, but the ongoings at their club at present and their current league position and form are a complete pisser! Oh and im a Stoke fan first and foremost like all other Stoke fans, but i reckon about 75% of so called Vale fans get more pleasure out of seeing us lose than seeing their own team win at weekends.
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Post by meols on Dec 8, 2011 20:09:12 GMT
Cant believe some of the responses on here about that lot from Burslem. Some people have gone soft! If it were us in their position, 99% of Vale fans would be laughing their bollocks off at us. Said if before and i'll say it again, i wouldnt wish for them to go bump and fold, but the ongoings at their club at present and their current league position and form are a complete pisser! Oh and im a Stoke fan first and foremost like all other Stoke fans, but i reckon about 75% of so called Vale fans get more pleasure out of seeing us lose than seeing their own team win at weekends. Totally agree. I've got no sympathy for them whatsoever. Their fans are the most bitter, vile bullshitters around who would revel if the roles were reversed. Have people forgotton the 90's and the shite they used to spout? The sooner they have a local derby against Norton the better.
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Post by bettyswallox on Dec 8, 2011 20:17:14 GMT
Like others have said, if the boot was on the other foot there would be no sympathy towards us and their fans would be rubbing it in at every available opportunity.
I don't want them to go bust, simply because it's a lot funnier seeing them slip towards the Blue Square wilderness. Hopefully Newcastle Town will pass them on the way past.
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Post by Bagwash on Dec 8, 2011 21:02:42 GMT
Cant believe some of the responses on here about that lot from Burslem. Some people have gone soft! If it were us in their position, 99% of Vale fans would be laughing their bollocks off at us. Said if before and i'll say it again, i wouldnt wish for them to go bump and fold, but the ongoings at their club at present and their current league position and form are a complete pisser! Oh and im a Stoke fan first and foremost like all other Stoke fans, but i reckon about 75% of so called Vale fans get more pleasure out of seeing us lose than seeing their own team win at weekends. Agree 100%.I can remember the T shirts they had done when we got relegated and the 'Pride of the Potteries' headlines in the Sentinel. The only good thing I can say about the Vale mongatroids is that they are not gloryhunting shit or scouse fans.
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Post by stokie25 on Dec 8, 2011 21:04:36 GMT
Cant believe some of the responses on here about that lot from Burslem. Some people have gone soft! If it were us in their position, 99% of Vale fans would be laughing their bollocks off at us. Said if before and i'll say it again, i wouldnt wish for them to go bump and fold, but the ongoings at their club at present and their current league position and form are a complete pisser! Oh and im a Stoke fan first and foremost like all other Stoke fans, but i reckon about 75% of so called Vale fans get more pleasure out of seeing us lose than seeing their own team win at weekends. Absolutely! We're not so entrenched in the prem we can pity any local team. They love us failing so it's most rewarding when we don't....sod em
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Post by Do eet fer Paddock on Dec 8, 2011 21:20:13 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 8, 2011 21:29:16 GMT
I feel very sorry for the Vale and their fans. I think it's petty and small-time to wish ill upon them. They're a local Potteries football club, supported by local Stoke people. What would you have these people do, go and support Man Utd or Chelsea? Jump on the Stoke City bandwagon now we're in the top tier? These people have the decency to give loyal support to their unfashionable struggling football club, and all some Stokies can do (during a massive purple patch) is rub it in. And if it's because Vale fans used to poke fun at us when we were in a bad way, do people not consider it petty to do the same when they're in even worse shape, and we're currently in such a fantastic state? That's surely not enough reason to hope for their entire fan base to suffer? I doubt people would wish the same misery on other clubs - when other failing clubs' fans come on here saying they're raising money to save their club from administration etc we normally all express our sympathy and best wishes, so why does this empathy with our fellow football fan break down when he's also our neighbour? Vale appear to be an absolute shambles at the moment, and I don't see any prospect of them getting sorted out (Choudhury would only make things worse, he's as dodgey as anything), so personally I feel very sorry for them and wish them all the best. Well said Sir. Vale being successful (but not as successful as us!!!!) can only be good for the area. When we were in the same division that first time the buzz was amazing. As was said I have infinitely more respect for the 3-4,000 hardcrore Vale fans than I would ever have for the Glory Glory Brigade.
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Post by oasis on Dec 8, 2011 21:30:21 GMT
I feel very sorry for the Vale and their fans. I think it's petty and small-time to wish ill upon them. They're a local Potteries football club, supported by local Stoke people. What would you have these people do, go and support Man Utd or Chelsea? Jump on the Stoke City bandwagon now we're in the top tier? These people have the decency to give loyal support to their unfashionable struggling football club, and all some Stokies can do (during a massive purple patch) is rub it in. And if it's because Vale fans used to poke fun at us when we were in a bad way, do people not consider it petty to do the same when they're in even worse shape, and we're currently in such a fantastic state? That's surely not enough reason to hope for their entire fan base to suffer? I doubt people would wish the same misery on other clubs - when other failing clubs' fans come on here saying they're raising money to save their club from administration etc we normally all express our sympathy and best wishes, so why does this empathy with our fellow football fan break down when he's also our neighbour? Vale appear to be an absolute shambles at the moment, and I don't see any prospect of them getting sorted out (Choudhury would only make things worse, he's as dodgey as anything), so personally I feel very sorry for them and wish them all the best. Absolutely spot on mate! I never want to see any team struggling like the Vale are at this current time. We are all Stokie at the end of the day and like you say, hats off to them who still pay their money to watch them, especially with a premier league club so close by...I have much more respect for these honest fans than I do for the helmets who are from around here and support teams miles away of whose games they have never been to! They are most certainly my second team and should be everyone elses on here! I really hope they sort it out down there and even achieve marginal success
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Post by echetus on Dec 8, 2011 21:30:55 GMT
they could justifiably wear a man you or City shirt. Lets get one thing straight: it is never justifiable to wear a Manchester United/City shirt if you don't live in/come from Manchester.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 8, 2011 21:34:38 GMT
The most startling issue is the fact that Hank Julicher, CEO of Blue Sky International has said that his wife doesn't own shares in the Club. The club says she does? Quote from the Sentiel: He also denied any knowledge of Blue Sky receiving any shares in Port Vale; despite the club's shares register saying his wife Margit owns 30,000, which were used to help vote the chairman and chief executive on to Vale's board.
Oh dear, oh dear..Bye bye Vale
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Dec 8, 2011 21:37:49 GMT
Never mind the abuse they gave us in the 90's! Just think back to all those Man Citeh Parties last May, Were we all Stokies then? I think not! Also for those who saw the video of those two silly tarts celebrating behind the bar somewhere in Burslem on cup final day! Let them rot, The Blue Square is to good for them!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 21:41:11 GMT
Robbie and Phil will be waiting in the wings to save them.
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Post by jonah77 on Dec 8, 2011 22:41:47 GMT
what the fuck is going on with all this sentimental"good for the city"bollocks? they're a bunch of retarded.oafish,simple minded,backwards mongatrons.they get an immense amount of pleasure when anything bad happens to this great club of ours and if the boot was on the other foot they would be howling with laughter and getting all up in our faces on this message board. fuck the club,fuck vale park,fuck burslum and,more importantly,fuck the fat,smelly wankers that support them.
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2011 22:47:06 GMT
what the fuck is going on with all this sentimental"good for the city"bollocks? they're a bunch of retarded.oafish,simple minded,backwards mongatrons.they get an immense amount of pleasure when anything bad happens to this great club of ours and if the boot was on the other foot they would be howling with laughter and getting all up in our faces on this message board. fuck the club,fuck vale park,fuck burslum and,more importantly,fuck the fat,smelly wankers that support them. You need to get off the fence there mate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 0:00:34 GMT
what the fuck is going on with all this sentimental"good for the city"bollocks? they're a bunch of retarded.oafish,simple minded,backwards mongatrons.they get an immense amount of pleasure when anything bad happens to this great club of ours and if the boot was on the other foot they would be howling with laughter and getting all up in our faces on this message board. fuck the club,fuck vale park,fuck burslum and,more importantly,fuck the fat,smelly wankers that support them. A perfect example of ''I'm alright Jack '' mentality . This is only a small City . This kind of attitude only serves to make it look even smaller . Idiotic.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2011 0:09:27 GMT
Hmmm. The same bastards who tried every avenue they could find to block the Britannia being built.
I'm heartbroken, honest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 0:11:21 GMT
Even Vale had less PHW'S than us....! If the cap fits.... ''Binary football'' ''Pulis Out'' ''Hoofball'' ''Anone who supports Pulis is insane'' It's all coming back to me ....
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2011 0:20:03 GMT
I doubt you meet too many Vale fans in your neck of the woods Mumfy?
Even some of the Burslem Beggars can keep on topic let me tell you!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 9, 2011 0:25:18 GMT
I feel very sorry for the Vale and their fans. I think it's petty and small-time to wish ill upon them. They're a local Potteries football club, supported by local Stoke people. What would you have these people do, go and support Man Utd or Chelsea? Jump on the Stoke City bandwagon now we're in the top tier? These people have the decency to give loyal support to their unfashionable struggling football club, and all some Stokies can do (during a massive purple patch) is rub it in. And if it's because Vale fans used to poke fun at us when we were in a bad way, do people not consider it petty to do the same when they're in even worse shape, and we're currently in such a fantastic state? That's surely not enough reason to hope for their entire fan base to suffer? I doubt people would wish the same misery on other clubs - when other failing clubs' fans come on here saying they're raising money to save their club from administration etc we normally all express our sympathy and best wishes, so why does this empathy with our fellow football fan break down when he's also our neighbour? Vale appear to be an absolute shambles at the moment, and I don't see any prospect of them getting sorted out (Choudhury would only make things worse, he's as dodgey as anything), so personally I feel very sorry for them and wish them all the best. Completely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 0:28:31 GMT
I doubt you meet too many Vale fans in your neck of the woods Mumfy? Even some of the Burslem Beggars can keep on topic let me tell you! Like I said...''if the Cap fits...''
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 9, 2011 0:30:31 GMT
Vale had some good sides under Rudge and for a while stabilised in the 2nd tier. They might have been able to stay there and who knows? BUT they were so obsessed with Stoke they ended up choking on it.
I sympathise with their fans but no more than I sympahise with all fans who go through this.
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