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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Nov 18, 2011 9:06:06 GMT
Did anyone just hear Gus Poyet on Talkshite.  |
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Nov 18, 2011 9:07:16 GMT
No, go on enlighten us.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Nov 18, 2011 9:17:15 GMT
I would encourage you to listen online when you can. Spoke that he knows Suarez well and he's no racist but negro isn't a bad world elsewhere in the world. (almost admitting he said it but it's not his fault needs to adapt to what is right and wrong. Ronnie said is it not right and that the rest of the world needs to change. Poyet said "England is trying to change the world." Making out England is acting Superior and patronising saying "Do you want to make the rest of the world on the left hand side of the road." Said Blatters comment were wrong but seemed to me he was saying that because he felt he should as he later said comments should be sorted with a handshake. When it comes online it is worth a listen. It will show that we are making this moral stand but the rest of the world WILL NOT be behind us. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 18, 2011 9:28:02 GMT
Could not believe it!
Anything that goes on on the puitch is allowed, if you get punched in the face you should take it because if you speak out about it you're a coward and it's the same if someone says something to you in the heat of the moment. Gus's logic is players are allowed to do things and say things in the heat of the moment and it's not a problem and people should just take it as is. It doesn't matter that it's against the law as it's only things said in the heat of the moment - Un-bloody-believable.
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Nov 18, 2011 9:29:54 GMT
My brother lives in spain in a non tourist area. I went to visit him in the summer and i know the spanish crowds are racist but was shocked when having a meal and a black man walked past and the abuse (what i could pick up on) was horrendous. My brother who has been there for years and is fluent in the language said it is the norm over there. I knew it was bad in some places but not to that extent. It was embarrassing
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 18, 2011 9:41:27 GMT
that spain story is terrible, but from similar experience in various countries, racism is the norm.
Poyet needs to understand that Suarez is in England. He must abide by our laws if he wishes to live and work here. Else he can bugger off.
What Blatter said was just plain wrong. If I shout racist abuse at someone and then offer to shake his hand, it shouldn't be OK, the same as if I headbutt a stranger and offer to shake his hand, he is still entitled to press charges. Its called living in a civilised nation.
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Post by foster on Nov 18, 2011 9:52:20 GMT
I would encourage you to listen online when you can. Spoke that he knows Suarez well and he's no racist but negro isn't a bad world elsewhere in the world. (almost admitting he said it but it's not his fault needs to adapt to what is right and wrong. Ronnie said is it not right and that the rest of the world needs to change. Poyet said "England is trying to change the world." Making out England is acting Superior and patronising saying "Do you want to make the rest of the world on the left hand side of the road." Said Blatters comment were wrong but seemed to me he was saying that because he felt he should as he later said comments should be sorted with a handshake. When it comes online it is worth a listen. It will show that we are making this moral stand but the rest of the world WILL NOT be behind us. You only need to look at the side of a tin of polish to see the word Negro written there in 3 different languages. I've heard it used in loads of countries, quite openly. It's not considered as badly as it is here. Still racist mind, but not meant in such a racist manner or malice as if an English person were to say it. |
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Post by Bognor Stokie on Nov 18, 2011 9:56:00 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 18, 2011 10:17:43 GMT
Honestly, he wasn't saying that5 this morning. It sounded more like he was saying it was acceptable in other countries and because Suarez is Uruguayan it's normal for things like that to be said in the heat of the moment and he doesn't understand English culture. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 18, 2011 10:22:56 GMT
Love or hate Talksport, I found Poyet's attitude staggering. You can't precis what he said on this forum without losing the shock value. As far as I'm concerned his chances of managing a Premiership team (unless it's Brighton) disappeared in that interview. Coupled with Blatter's ramblings we've hardly moved on at all.
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Post by vahl on Nov 18, 2011 10:29:41 GMT
Simply put this is a prime example of football and how it's perceived.
In England, football is a way of life. You grow up with it from such a young age, you switch on the tv and you're guaranteed to find some form of football, we have the greatest stadiums in the world, our football stars are bigger celebs than our actors, it's a defining British obsession.
Around the world football is loved, just not to these extremes. Most see it as a sport. Just a game of football.
Point is, we probably look to the world like a bunch of screaming kiddies who can't have the toy they wanted.
Britain is a very PC country - in fact - we are the most PC country on Earth. This can sometimes allow us to blow things out of proportion though, especially things as trivial as racism at football. It must be one of the hardest things to prove as well.
There's no place for racism in football or indeed any walk of life as we're all fucking human, but I am 100% certain (even knowing fuck all about the stats etc) that racism in England is entirely in the minority when it comes to 'crimes committed' at football.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 18, 2011 10:31:19 GMT
Racism exists in most cultures, having lived in the deep south of the USA for a few years now I hear an undercurrent of racism very often at dinner parties and social gatherings. Its subtle and things are said in cryptic words but its certainly there. Although it tends to come predominantly from people over 60 who were brought up in a much more openly racist society.
Just a thought though the word Negro in Spanish does actually mean Black and is commonly used
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2011 10:34:32 GMT
Just because negro means black in Spanish doesn't mean it isn't racist. It all depends on the context in which it was used. Unless people think Suarez just took to repeatedly shouting "black!" for no reason like that bloke from the Fast Show.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Nov 18, 2011 10:38:00 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 18, 2011 10:41:21 GMT
If any good can come from racisit idiocy then shutting that fuck nugget Irani up is surely it. |
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Post by Bognor Stokie on Nov 18, 2011 10:42:37 GMT
JJIP - ok fair do's - I didn't hear the interview and maybe he shouldn't have made any comment at all as there is an ongoing investigation and court case. Problem for Gus is he and Suarez are friends so he's going to defend his countryman when put on the spot.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Nov 18, 2011 10:47:44 GMT
JJIP - ok fair do's - I didn't hear the interview and maybe he shouldn't have made any comment at all as there is an ongoing investigation and court case. Problem for Gus is he and Suarez are friends so he's going to defend his countryman when put on the spot. Defend him he tried, but I think he just hung him! ;D Basically defended him with ignorance as an alibi. He more or less publically backed Blatter too. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 18, 2011 10:52:38 GMT
Sheikh, at least Irani was close to expressing his disbelief. He would have been within his rights to end the interview as far as I'm concerned. It's a pity Nicky Campbell on 5Live didn't do the interview. Poyet was quite aggressive in his stance I thought.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 18, 2011 10:57:19 GMT
Sheikh, at least Irani was close to expressing his disbelief. He would have been within his rights to end the interview as far as I'm concerned. It's a pity Nicky Campbell on 5Live didn't do the interview. Poyet was quite aggressive in his stance I thought. It is a staggering interview jimmy. There must be consequences. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Nov 18, 2011 10:57:54 GMT
Sheikh, at least Irani was close to expressing his disbelief. He would have been within his rights to end the interview as far as I'm concerned. It's a pity Nicky Campbell on 5Live didn't do the interview. Poyet was quite aggressive in his stance I thought. Spot on any journalist bar a ex sportsman would have torn him to shreads and got him to say even more, infact enough for him to cause a real storm with it. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Nov 18, 2011 10:58:09 GMT
My brother lives in spain in a non tourist area. I went to visit him in the summer and i know the spanish crowds are racist but was shocked when having a meal and a black man walked past and the abuse (what i could pick up on) was horrendous. My brother who has been there for years and is fluent in the language said it is the norm over there. I knew it was bad in some places but not to that extent. It was embarrassing A mate of mine lives in Madrid and teaches English to business types. He's fluent in Spanish and has immersed himself in the culture (he married a Basque* lady and ran 2 businesses out there over a period of 8 years). He will back up what your brother says - racist attitudes are far more prevalent in Spain than in the UK. * If you want racisim/xenophobia tales, he can tell you loads - try being English in that neck of the woods. |
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Post by Bognor Stokie on Nov 18, 2011 11:08:30 GMT
STM - I agree with you 100 % (I've just wasted 7m 42 secs listening to the Talkshite online interview and Gus is a numpty) I guess I hoped he hadn't said something quite so stupid as on Radio Sussex we hear him a lot and he can be 'entertaining' but in this case he was very silly to say anything and looks like a fool.
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Post by Orfuss on Nov 18, 2011 11:09:53 GMT
Just listened to it, once again I'm glad I'm english and live in our tollerant country. Hard man Gus eh.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 18, 2011 11:23:14 GMT
Gus - Making racist comments doesn't make you a racist - oh yes it does.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 18, 2011 11:27:52 GMT
There you go then. You would never catch our Tone behaving like this.
Some of the shite being spouted at the moment in football makes Big Ron's demise a bit of a shame.
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Post by PotterEd on Nov 18, 2011 11:28:49 GMT
Well I think he's hanged himself and his little buddy Suarez, there. Saying we want the rest of the world not to be racist is the same as us wanting the rest of the world to drive on the left is beyond stupidity and ignorance.
The only shame about the interview is that Irani and Brazil were conducting it and they're not intelligent enough to have properly challenged Poyet on his views. I hate to say it but our friend, Adrian Durham would have hammered him for what he was saying. I think that's the one and only time I'll ever say anything positive about that scrote!
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Nov 18, 2011 11:34:22 GMT
Well I think he's hanged himself and his little buddy Suarez, there. Saying we want the rest of the world not to be racist is the same as us wanting the rest of the world to drive on the left is beyond stupidity and ignorance. The only shame about the interview is that Irani and Brazil were conducting it and they're not intelligent enough to have properly challenged Poyet on his views. I hate to say it but our friend, Adrian Durham would have hammered him for what he was saying. I think that's the one and only time I'll ever say anything positive about that scrote! I'm sure AD will have his entire afternoon's agenda in place now. By the time he's finished, Poyet will be walking the plank at Brighton. I can here Durham's intro now - "Surely there's no place for these comments and no place for Poyet in the English game. Brighton fans - do you really want this man in charge of your club...? Call us now.". - not that we know Adrian Durham's tactics too well....   |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 18, 2011 12:22:04 GMT
JJIP - ok fair do's - I didn't hear the interview and maybe he shouldn't have made any comment at all as there is an ongoing investigation and court case. Problem for Gus is he and Suarez are friends so he's going to defend his countryman when put on the spot. Wasn't a dig at yourself and apologies if it came across that way, I just couldn't fathom how daft Poyet was being especially with his experience of English Culture and the way of life. He should have known a lot better. Granmted he's going to defend Suarez but I don't think he's helped his case one iota. It may be common place in South America but that doesn't make it right, and when it is a criminal act in this country then footballers, like everyone else, should have to face all the consequences regardless of their culture. |
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Nov 18, 2011 13:24:27 GMT
Well I think he's hanged himself and his little buddy Suarez, there. Saying we want the rest of the world not to be racist is the same as us wanting the rest of the world to drive on the left is beyond stupidity and ignorance. The only shame about the interview is that Irani and Brazil were conducting it and they're not intelligent enough to have properly challenged Poyet on his views. I hate to say it but our friend, Adrian Durham would have hammered him for what he was saying. I think that's the one and only time I'll ever say anything positive about that scrote! I'm sure AD will have his entire afternoon's agenda in place now. By the time he's finished, Poyet will be walking the plank at Brighton. I can here Durham's intro now - "Surely there's no place for these comments and no place for Poyet in the English game. Brighton fans - do you really want this man in charge of your club...? Call us now.". - not that we know Adrian Durham's tactics too well.... Brighton fans listening to Talksport? Have they started playing Gloria Gaynor and the Village People? |
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Post by emery1985 on Nov 18, 2011 13:47:52 GMT
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