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Post by Countydog on Nov 2, 2011 11:14:34 GMT
Let me get this straight first of all - I dont want Pulis out he has done a tremendous job however his relationship with Coates concerns me.
Lets be frank the style of football is not great to watch it never has been - but with good results we all tolerate it. When we are losing it looks even worse - no plan B, devoid of idea's and only one way in playing. It has to be a concern that we have spent all this money and look no better than last season in fact arguably worse.
In my opinion 10M for Crouch is bad business.
Pulis is not indispensable. People on here go mad if you dare criticise him but if we continue on a downward spiral then inevitably questions will get asked. There is no room for sentiment and we cannot have unconditional loyalty from Coates if things get worse and we do start to teeter around relegation.
Of course ill be accused of over reacting but for me the warning signs are there and have been before Monday. We lack pace throughout the team, have the worst midfield in the Premier league and dont score many goals.
These are worrying times however you want to look at it and like any other Manager he will be judged on current results not what he has done over the last 4 years.
Worrying times
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 2, 2011 11:17:40 GMT
"look where wev'e come from" "we are tenth ffs" "Look what TP has done for us"
please add any other platitudes.
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Post by banburypotter on Nov 2, 2011 11:20:09 GMT
imo £10million for crouch would be great business if we created the supply for him, he has been blessed with that at other clubs, but here at present we dont seem to able to get the service a player like hime needs.
the chairman/manager relationship is probably the envy of a lot of clubs, but it also presents the problem that the manager is beyond any criticism from above,for the fact of we are where we are.
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Post by Paddypotter on Nov 2, 2011 11:38:57 GMT
Peter Coates wouldn't be where he is today if he ran all business interests like Stoke City, if a dept manager spent a fortune on equipment and never used it or used where it wasn't designed for, I'm sure he'd step in. Then again all football clubs are run differently, what other business can you tell you customers "it doesn't matter if you don't like what you pay to see, sit down, it's a result business" But what if people stop watching and just sit and wait for the results come in? I hate see Stoke losing but I hate seeing us lose before the balls kicked just because when the fixture list came out they sat around a table and decided which games we couldn't win.
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Post by luke2u on Nov 2, 2011 11:42:14 GMT
We need to get more new players, and I don't think what we got this summer is good enough.
If/when given a chance, I think Palacios will be great, and Upson also looks good. The others not good enough, and we still need full backs, midfielders and a goalscorer.
Crouch and Jerome will not score enough goals for us, especially with the service they get. We need to go abroad to find him (like Ba). To those who want argue against it, look at the top goalscorers in the PL for the past seasons, and you don't find many British.
Rooney and Bent perhaps, but we won't buy them. Why don't you think the big clubs buy British strikers? They aren't good enough and don't score the goals needed. Liverpool paid over the top for Carroll, but he doesn't give them enough goals.
It's time to act in a new way in the January window if we want to go forward. I'll say Crouch was a waste of money if we were trying to get a great goalscorer. I see Jones as a better option there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 13:08:51 GMT
"look where wev'e come from" "we are tenth ffs" "Look what TP has done for us" please add any other platitudes. I think "we are tenth FFS" is in the current context a far more reasonable view than some of the knee jerking we've seen on here Perce/ Most teams are going to go on bad runs and get things wrong. If things are still going tits up in January say, then maybe it's time to start panicking. It certainly isn't yet.
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Nov 2, 2011 13:16:22 GMT
It's hardly 'squeaky-bum tim' is it? We're going through one of those spells that we have where we are unspeakably bad, like the one that came to a head at West Ham last season. We bounced back from that the week after and never looked back.
I expect the same to happen again.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 2, 2011 13:18:19 GMT
Worrying times my big hairy ball sack
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 13:18:29 GMT
"look where wev'e come from" "we are tenth ffs" "Look what TP has done for us" please add any other platitudes. I think "we are tenth FFS" is in the current context a far more reasonable view than some of the knee jerking we've seen on here Perce/ Most teams are going to go on bad runs and get things wrong. If things are still going tits up in January say, then maybe it's time to start panicking. It certainly isn't yet. RVD Spot on!!! I feel you are preaching to the newly joined masses of doom merchants that seem to have been bussed into the forum over recent weeks though but good attempt at rational thought...i'm with you anyway!! Played 19, lost 5.....Pulis out!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 13:43:21 GMT
pulis will change it around a little bit, go with kj up front, and we'll have a neat little run again soon
this tends to be how it goes for us
monday however was the worst performance i've seen from us at home in this division
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 2, 2011 15:54:31 GMT
"look where wev'e come from" "we are tenth ffs" "Look what TP has done for us" please add any other platitudes. How about lets take on and match Manure rather than get beat by Chester Lets hang around mid table in the best league in the world. Lets judge the performances over 30 odd games Lets sing when we are winning And for good measure lets tell Coates what he should be doing
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Post by march4 on Nov 2, 2011 16:09:22 GMT
Let me get this straight first of all - I dont want Pulis out he has done a tremendous job however his relationship with Coates concerns me. Lets be frank the style of football is not great to watch it never has been - but with good results we all tolerate it. When we are losing it looks even worse - no plan B, devoid of idea's and only one way in playing. It has to be a concern that we have spent all this money and look no better than last season in fact arguably worse. In my opinion 10M for Crouch is bad business. Pulis is not indispensable. People on here go mad if you dare criticise him but if we continue on a downward spiral then inevitably questions will get asked. There is no room for sentiment and we cannot have unconditional loyalty from Coates if things get worse and we do start to teeter around relegation. Of course ill be accused of over reacting but for me the warning signs are there and have been before Monday. We lack pace throughout the team, have the worst midfield in the Premier league and dont score many goals. These are worrying times however you want to look at it and like any other Manager he will be judged on current results not what he has done over the last 4 years. Worrying times What an utter pile of steaming horse poo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 16:11:23 GMT
"worrying times" you really couldn't make it up
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 2, 2011 16:32:50 GMT
12 points from a possible 30 is lower mid table form and lets be honest its not great is it? If it continues we should end up at around 45 points which should see us safe but given the spends should we do better?
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 2, 2011 16:41:54 GMT
If there is no room for sentiment, what about room for stability?
TP has built up the club so it's not pretty much his club. He has brought in his players, his coaches, he has a group of directors who trust him etc etc. Why throw all of that away and bring in a new manager who would want to start fresh? It would cost millions to pay off and hire a new coaching staff, which would go straight out of the player budget. Players would then be released or sold on the cheap just to get them off the wage bill, which would wreck the team spirit.
Stability with TP is the way forward.
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Post by GlennA on Nov 2, 2011 16:44:57 GMT
"worrying times" you really couldn't make it up The 'downward spiral' bit was my favourite.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 2, 2011 16:46:24 GMT
Mondays game WAS worrying. TP continues to baffle with team selection and the lack of plan b was alarming.
Recent history suggests the manager will steady the ship and things will improve.
Stoke should be no where near relegation and I don't expect them to be so BUT if they are, all of them want fucking with a sharp stick - Manager, Players, coaches et al.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 2, 2011 16:49:35 GMT
Why do you say that Pugs? Everybody below the top 6 could end up in a relegation battle if the form drops.
Stoke will finish mid table come May. People getting excited and expecting top 6 or even top 4 finishes are rather deluded.
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Post by y2j on Nov 2, 2011 16:51:04 GMT
Let's not all get carried away. We have struggled at x recently, but things will improve. Crouch has looked ok to me, lack of service isn't gonna do him many favours, we all know Pennant and Etherington aren't doing it at the min.
Higgy will make a difference, Huth back in and we will look a stronger back 4.
Palacios should be the answer (WE HOPE), but for me in Jan we must look to buy another winger to provide competition, as the 2 wide men haven't got any at the moment.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 2, 2011 16:51:36 GMT
Why do you say that Pugs? Everybody below the top 6 could end up in a relegation battle if the form drops. Stoke will finish mid table come May. People getting excited and expecting top 6 or even top 4 finishes are rather deluded. there are 80million plus reasons why Stoke shouldn't be near relegation. I don't expect top 6, I expect anything between 12 and 8th.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 2, 2011 16:54:40 GMT
I reckon between 10th and 14th if we do well in Europa and the FA cup.
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Post by kerouac on Nov 2, 2011 16:55:04 GMT
Sir Pineapple,have you got Squeeky bum Tims number?
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Post by Tubes on Nov 2, 2011 17:05:20 GMT
Pulis is not indispensable. People on here go mad if you dare criticise him but if we continue on a downward spiral then inevitably questions will get asked. There is no room for sentiment and we cannot have unconditional loyalty from Coates if things get worse and we do start to teeter around relegation. downward spiral? Try and spot the point where Pulis took over. The overwhelming trend is of a club improving year on year. Yes, there are bad spells and bits where the football is terrible. This is common to all football clubs (save maybe one or two who have the money to keep themselves at the top). Even if we continue to progress under Coates and Pulis (which I think we will), there will be bad periods and probably even bad seasons. People can belittle the whole "we're 10th ffs" argument all they like, but the overall picture of the club is one on the rise. Every season we get a little bit better, whether it's in terms of players, league position, or getting closer to that elusive silverware. I know it can be hard sometimes to take a step back and look at this bigger picture, but it might help to keep people sane when we've just lost several games on the bounce. It doesn't mean we shouldn't moan, and question, because that's part of being a supporter, but we need to keep perspective
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Post by richybow on Nov 2, 2011 17:05:36 GMT
Worrying times my big hairy ball sack Big hairy ball sacks are indeed worrying in these times where bald is best. As fer the Footie, I'll let em av the odd bad performance without worrying too much. Big Tony isn't daft and I reckon you'll see some sort of reaction on Sunday. Everybody else has beaten Bolton so I reckon we will too.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 2, 2011 17:17:33 GMT
Cannot deny the good TP has done for the club, however I do have one particular worry and that is his ludicrously negative attitude to away games . Trying to get a draw virtually everytime we play away is a dangerous strategy ( at very best ) in my opinion and leads to wasted opportunities to pick up potentially available points ( Sunderland and Swansea come to mind ). Such points would go along way to allowing for the odd crap performance by TP and his team such as we witnessed on Monday night . It would also be good to see us having a go and playing some positive football for the benefit of our travelling fans ( and the teams ) morale . Hope we do beat Bolton but that is far from a certainty , I reckon ( remember Sunderland !! )
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Post by luke45 on Nov 2, 2011 17:18:56 GMT
After 10 games last-season we sat on 10 points. After 10 games this-season we sit on 12 points. Our first 10 games last-season included Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea. Our first 10 games this-season included Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal. So basically, we have had a tougher opening 10 fixtures this season as opposed to last season, and we are sitting 2 points better off. Worrying times indeed.
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Post by richybow on Nov 2, 2011 17:21:12 GMT
Cannot deny the good TP has done for the club, however I do have one particular worry and that is his ludicrously negative attitude to away games . Trying to get a draw virtually everytime we play away is a dangerous strategy ( at very best ) in my opinion and leads to wasted opportunities to pick up potentially available points ( Sunderland and Swansea come to mind ). Such points would go along way to allowing for the odd crap performance by TP and his team such as we witnessed on Monday night . It would also be good to see us having a go and playing some positive football for the benefit of our travelling fans ( and the teams ) morale . Hope we do beat Bolton but that is far from a certainty , I reckon ( remember Sunderland !! ) Christ, I hope we are not the ones to kick start their season by given us a whupping..... Why does tone set up so negatively away from home do you think?......lack of confidence??
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 2, 2011 17:26:44 GMT
I reckon between 10th and 14th if we do well in Europa and the FA cup. Yep I'll settle for that. I don't think it's too high an expectation. Btw, we're already doing well in the Europa league. Win tomorrow will all but see us in the next round.
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Post by buddyfolly on Nov 2, 2011 17:27:55 GMT
wasted money on crouch and jones they are goal scorers but both are asked to play in the hole and head it backwards then neither has the acceleration to get into a goal scoring position,our two wingers play ever deeper probably to man up an absymal midfield,if we didnt have john walters we would be fucked for sure!
tony has always been the same buys a player then trys to turn him into something else the way he tried to get his lawn mower to hoover his carpet after he had cut the grass.
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Post by ruarig on Nov 2, 2011 17:35:09 GMT
We need to get more new players, and I don't think what we got this summer is good enough. If/when given a chance, I think Palacios will be great, and Upson also looks good. The others not good enough, and we still need full backs, midfielders and a goalscorer. Crouch and Jerome will not score enough goals for us, especially with the service they get. We need to go abroad to find him (like Ba). To those who want argue against it, look at the top goalscorers in the PL for the past seasons, and you don't find many British. Rooney and Bent perhaps, but we won't buy them. Why don't you think the big clubs buy British strikers? They aren't good enough and don't score the goals needed. Liverpool paid over the top for Carroll, but he doesn't give them enough goals. It's time to act in a new way in the January window if we want to go forward. I'll say Crouch was a waste of money if we were trying to get a great goalscorer. I see Jones as a better option there. When you say Crouch won't score goals with the lack of service........ what makes you think Rooney, Bent, Ba or any other 'top' striker would perform any differently given the lack of supply?
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