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Post by luke2u on Oct 21, 2011 10:13:26 GMT
Agree. Him and Whitehead should be our first choice. I thought Deano had a fine game tonight. Deano really shouldn't be anywhere near our starting 11 In fact I think Deano could be the one to play with Palacios. Looking at yesterdays game, he was the only player who was still running in the last 10 minutes. I think we need someone with his work rate.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2011 10:33:40 GMT
Whitehead was absolutely shit against opposition that wouldn't give too much trouble to the Vale.
The passage of play in the last 5 minutes summed him up to a tee. He got the ball, failed to play a simple 5 yard pass and lost possession. He then got it back, ran down the wing and kicked it out for a throw in.
It was absolute shit but because he had run around like a demented fool, he got standing ovation and a chant of "Deano, Deano".
At that point, I frustratingly exclaimed "some will clap any old shit" which prompted the guy in front to say that he delivered a peach of a cross for KJ's goal. It was a corner for fucks sake!
Whitehead is absolutely shit and is only a professional footballer because he has 3 lungs and could run a marathon every day of the week. He is the most talentless premiership footballer since Danny Collins donned the famous stripes.
In a midfield pecking order of Rory, Whelan, Palacious, Salif, Whitehead, Arismendi (in no particular order), Whitehead should only figure ahead of Arismendi.
The only use he has is in home games against the likes of Liverpool or Arsenal when he will chase and harrass players who think they are a damn site better than they are.
How anyone can say that he should be in the team ahead of Rory or Whelan is absolutely beyond me. He isn't as good as Salif.
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Post by foster on Oct 21, 2011 10:35:27 GMT
I'd go Whelan or Delap with Palacios in the starting line up everytime.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 10:39:01 GMT
In that second, when he slipped KJ through, he showed the quality that is lacking from our centre midfield.
Not slating Glen, Delap etc but he certainly seems to have an eye for a pass.
He put Super Jonny Walters through in the last European game too.
Looks promising.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Oct 21, 2011 10:39:37 GMT
I thought when Palacios came on the players around him seemed to need to remind themselves to pass to him. They've got so used to nobody being there in his position, waiting for a simple ball in field, that they automatically look upfield for somebody to lob it onto. And the black boots looked proper retro 'real' football.
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Oct 21, 2011 10:39:50 GMT
Whelan and Palacios for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 10:40:04 GMT
Whitehead was absolutely shit against opposition that wouldn't give too much trouble to the Vale. The passage of play in the last 5 minutes summed him up to a tee. He got the ball, failed to play a simple 5 yard pass and lost possession. He then got it back, ran down the wing and kicked it out for a throw in. It was absolute shit but because he had run around like a demented fool, he got standing ovation and a chant of "Deano, Deano". At that point, I frustratingly exclaimed "some will clap any old shit" which prompted the guy in front to say that he delivered a peach of a cross for KJ's goal. It was a corner for fucks sake! Whitehead is absolutely shit and is only a professional footballer because he has 3 lungs and could run a marathon every day of the week. He is the most talentless premiership footballer since Danny Collins donned the famous stripes. In a midfield pecking order of Rory, Whelan, Palacious, Salif, Whitehead, Arismendi (in no particular order), Whitehead should only figure ahead of Arismendi. The only use he has is in home games against the likes of Liverpool or Arsenal when he will chase and harrass players who think they are a damn site better than they are. How anyone can say that he should be in the team ahead of Rory or Whelan is absolutely beyond me. He isn't as good as Salif. Utter HorseShyte.
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Post by foster on Oct 21, 2011 10:40:51 GMT
Whitehead was absolutely shit against opposition that wouldn't give too much trouble to the Vale. The passage of play in the last 5 minutes summed him up to a tee. He got the ball, failed to play a simple 5 yard pass and lost possession. He then got it back, ran down the wing and kicked it out for a throw in. It was absolute shit but because he had run around like a demented fool, he got standing ovation and a chant of "Deano, Deano". At that point, I frustratingly exclaimed "some will clap any old shit" which prompted the guy in front to say that he delivered a peach of a cross for KJ's goal. It was a corner for fucks sake! Whitehead is absolutely shit and is only a professional footballer because he has 3 lungs and could run a marathon every day of the week. He is the most talentless premiership footballer since Danny Collins donned the famous stripes. In a midfield pecking order of Rory, Whelan, Palacious, Salif, Whitehead, Arismendi (in no particular order), Whitehead should only figure ahead of Arismendi. The only use he has is in home games against the likes of Liverpool or Arsenal when he will chase and harrass players who think they are a damn site better than they are. How anyone can say that he should be in the team ahead of Rory or Whelan is absolutely beyond me. He isn't as good as Salif. Im getting mixed signals here. Do you rate him or not?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 21, 2011 10:42:38 GMT
The ball Palacios played for KJ near the end for the one on one was top class, if he can do more of that then he should start every week.
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 21, 2011 10:59:22 GMT
Once Higgy returns and WP is Stoke fit i'm hoping for a Palacios Wilson midfield.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2011 11:00:14 GMT
WD said to DaveJohnno - "Utter Horseshite" Davejohnno asks WD - "which bit" Fosters asks "do you rate him or not" - DJ answers - NO...he is talentless beyond belief, his only quality being that he can run a marathon every day of the week. He is nowhere near as good as Rory, Whelan or Palacios and shouldn't be anywhere near our starting 11 unless we are absolutely desperate. His only use in a Stoke shirt should be as a sub when we need legs to stem the tide of an opposition chasing an equaliser.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 11:06:55 GMT
WD said to DaveJohnno - "Utter Horseshite" Davejohnno asks WD - "which bit" Fosters asks "do you rate him or not" - DJ answers - NO...he is talentless beyond belief, his only quality being that he can run a marathon every day of the week. He is nowhere near as good as Rory, Whelan or Palacios and shouldn't be anywhere near our starting 11 unless we are absolutely desperate. His only use in a Stoke shirt should be as a sub when we need legs to stem the tide of an opposition chasing an equaliser. All of it. A Tony Pulis centre midfield is tasked with protecting the back 4, breaking the opposition play up, generally putting a shift in + working 'arrrrrd. We all know Deano's limitations, the same as we all know Rory's. They can still be very effective in our team though due to the way we play. Deano has put in some very good performances for us.
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Post by vestanpance on Oct 21, 2011 11:08:01 GMT
It's Whelan and Palacios for me.
Imagine....two central midfielders who are capable of regularly passing the ball, not only to each other but to other players in our team.
Also, Shotton couldn't have done any more to cement his place if he'd worn a sandwich board that read "I don't know if you've noticed, but i'm fucking brilliant at football" throughout the match. He's like Glenn Johnson, only much, much better.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2011 11:11:37 GMT
More bad than good for me WD. He was excellent v Liverpool and woeful beyond belief v Sunderland and Swansea. Of all of our midfield options, he is the weakest though I may be pushing it a bit in saying that Salif should be ahead of him in the pecking order. I will give you that one!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 11:12:54 GMT
More bad than good for me WD. He was excellent v Liverpool and woeful beyond belief v Sunderland and Swansea. Of all of our midfield options, he is the weakest though I may be pushing it a bit in saying that Salif should be ahead of him in the pecking order. I will give you that one! I'm not saying he's the best player ever. I'd have Whelan + Rory ahead of him and once Palacios is fit, he'll obviously be ahead in the pecking order too. I still think he's been a very good player for us though, he's certainly played his part.
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Post by vestanpance on Oct 21, 2011 11:15:35 GMT
I'm not his biggest fan dave, but to suggest that Diao should be ahead of him is pushing it a little.
He's a grafter who has made the absolute most of his talents, as limited as they are. I have a respect for that to be honest. You can't say he doesn't try.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 21, 2011 11:19:49 GMT
I still find the Arismendi situation quite puzzling. He didn't pull up any trees on the loan spells he has had but from the little I've seen from him he looked okay and also put a peach of a pass through for JW at Thun away.
It just seems strange that he hasn't really been given any real chance????
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 21, 2011 11:20:51 GMT
Dave, for someone who defends Delap with a religious zeal, your character assasination of Whitehead seems a little churlish to say the least. You admit he has a use on occasion so let's leave it at that. You know he's not going to trouble the first XI for Prem games when everyone is fit and available and neither will Diao (I still don't get the RAF inspired lovefest from last night). I would find it hard to accept that when fit Palacios and Whelan aren't our best midfield pairing and it'll be even more interesting to see where Wilson plays once Higgy is back.
Going back to Arismendi seeing as you sort of mentioned him, you have to ask how far off he is if he can't get into the side ahead of Diao, but Pulis thinks just because Salif has European and international experience it negates his ability to fully function as a central midfielder should. MCF could have done what Diao did last night, even at his age and carrying his weight!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2011 11:21:14 GMT
I have already accepted that Vestan. I do have an unhealthy worshipping of Salif though. He is so bad at times, he is the highlight of a dull game. I would never accuse Deano (or any of our players for that matter) of not trying. Deano gives more than 100% every time he plays and you can ask no more than that. I just don't want to see him in the starting 11 when others are available because he simply isn't good enough. My post on here was to whoever it was above that suggested that Deano and Palacios should be our regular midfield pairing. Never, ever in my opinion. Rory and Whelan remain our best pairing whilst Palacios, i'm sure, will be quite a player once fit. At this point, it will surely be Palacios plus one of Rory or Whelan.
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Post by vestanpance on Oct 21, 2011 11:26:17 GMT
Fair comments all Dave.
I would say that it goes to show how football is so much in the eye of the beholder. I think Delap is absolute gash. He can't pass, tries to control the ball with what appears to be his shins and gives it away at least half the time he touches it, yet on here criticism of him leads to a fatwa.
I think Palacios & Whelan will lead to Stokies collectively realising what the centre of the pitch is actually for, and we will be massively better for it.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Oct 21, 2011 11:33:35 GMT
Whitehead was absolutely shit against opposition that wouldn't give too much trouble to the Vale. The passage of play in the last 5 minutes summed him up to a tee. He got the ball, failed to play a simple 5 yard pass and lost possession. He then got it back, ran down the wing and kicked it out for a throw in. It was absolute shit but because he had run around like a demented fool, he got standing ovation and a chant of "Deano, Deano". At that point, I frustratingly exclaimed "some will clap any old shit" which prompted the guy in front to say that he delivered a peach of a cross for KJ's goal. It was a corner for fucks sake! Whitehead is absolutely shit and is only a professional footballer because he has 3 lungs and could run a marathon every day of the week. He is the most talentless premiership footballer since Danny Collins donned the famous stripes. In a midfield pecking order of Rory, Whelan, Palacious, Salif, Whitehead, Arismendi (in no particular order), Whitehead should only figure ahead of Arismendi. The only use he has is in home games against the likes of Liverpool or Arsenal when he will chase and harrass players who think they are a damn site better than they are. How anyone can say that he should be in the team ahead of Rory or Whelan is absolutely beyond me. He isn't as good as Salif. The fact that you deemed it fit to criticise fans clapping their own player says plenty about you. Deano would be my 4th choice midfielder in the centre. He is a squad player who will come in and put 100% in when called upon. His game is based on his engine and harrying players. If he makes a mistake but then busts a gut to go and win the ball back then I will clap him. It's called supporting your team. What is more, it's what the foundations of our success have been built on. Players who were initially poorer than their counterparts but could match them and get results through pure grit and determination. We now have better players available but let's not belittle players like Deano for putting in 100% effort in. And then to make matters worse try and take the piss out of your own supporters for showing their support.
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Post by ParaPsych on Oct 21, 2011 11:35:09 GMT
At that point, I frustratingly exclaimed "some will clap any old shit" which prompted the guy in front to say that he delivered a peach of a cross for KJ's goal. It was a corner for fucks sake! Three assists from crosses (2 corners, 1 open play) for Deano this season. 3 more than Pennant. Clearly the guy in front of you knows his stuff. Maybe Deano should play on the wing? Actually I was incredibly frustrated with him when he got into a good wide position towards the end yesterday (during his wing stint) and tried to pass it inside to someone running in rather than cross it. Needless to say he cocked it up. He can't pass. He can cross. Why didn't he just try the one he can do? A player like Whitehead should always try to hit the ball as hard as he can. Anything else is asking for trouble.
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Post by simpson93 on Oct 21, 2011 11:35:50 GMT
and plays in black boots!! Glad i wasnt the only one who loved his boots
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2011 11:51:38 GMT
I too loved the black boots. Of our squad, only Fuller is good enough to get away with coloured boots. The rest of them should wear black! My mates take the piss out of me for continually droning on about it! to itsmorethanagame....Whatever you say mate! People can applaud and cheer who the hell they want, I couldn't give a flying toss. I applauded Salif all through the game because he is is brilliant. Some people will clap anything and I have never understood, nor will I understand, how some stoke fans value headless chicken running around more than quality play. Hence my comment. I support my team as much as the next supporter and back them wholeheartedly before during and after games. They never give less than 100% and they get nowt less than 100% from me in return. I am sure I am not alone in letting out the odd exasperated expletive though, usually at away games.
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Post by lordb on Oct 21, 2011 12:22:58 GMT
agrree with general consensus that Palacios was ace however the game was dead at that stage & there was lots of space with there being 20 players instead of 22 & the pitch being bigger.
Suspect he's not 100% ready yet (hope he is mind) however we havnt paid £8m for nowt can only see him being 1st choice for our CM. Think we are going to reap the benefits The wingers will enjoy having him in the side as will strikers looking fo a cute pass beind the defence.
anyone no what his shooting is like?
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Oct 21, 2011 13:28:52 GMT
In that second, when he slipped KJ through, he showed the quality that is lacking from our centre midfield. Not slating Glen, Delap etc but he certainly seems to have an eye for a pass. He put Super Jonny Walters through in the last European game too. Looks promising. Somebody played that exact same pass to Walters a couple of weeks ago (against United or Besiktas).
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Post by stokelad84 on Oct 21, 2011 13:31:57 GMT
At that point, I frustratingly exclaimed "some will clap any old shit" which prompted the guy in front to say that he delivered a peach of a cross for KJ's goal. It was a corner for fucks sake! Three assists from crosses (2 corners, 1 open play) for Deano this season. 3 more than Pennant. Clearly the guy in front of you knows his stuff. Maybe Deano should play on the wing? Actually I was incredibly frustrated with him when he got into a good wide position towards the end yesterday (during his wing stint) and tried to pass it inside to someone running in rather than cross it. Needless to say he cocked it up. He can't pass. He can cross. Why didn't he just try the one he can do? A player like Whitehead should always try to hit the ball as hard as he can. Anything else is asking for trouble. If Pennant would put some corners in against Swansea, maybe just maybe we wouldn't have lost!
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Post by onionman on Oct 21, 2011 14:01:11 GMT
I too loved the black boots. Of our squad, only Fuller is good enough to get away with coloured boots. The rest of them should wear black! My mates take the piss out of me for continually droning on about it! to itsmorethanagame....Whatever you say mate! People can applaud and cheer who the hell they want, I couldn't give a flying toss. I applauded Salif all through the game because he is is brilliant. Some people will clap anything and I have never understood, nor will I understand, how some stoke fans value headless chicken running around more than quality play. Hence my comment. I support my team as much as the next supporter and back them wholeheartedly before during and after games. They never give less than 100% and they get nowt less than 100% from me in return. I am sure I am not alone in letting out the odd exasperated expletive though, usually at away games. Fuller is good enough, yes, but even he should only wear black boots. All modern day footballers, from grassroots level to the Premier League, need to get back to basics. I was distraught around seven or years ago when I went to buy a new pair of boots and the only ones that fitted me, from three different shops in a relatively big city centre, were bright colours. A part of me died the next day when I lined up at full-back for my low standard Sunday league outfit, ready to smash the ball as far as I could into the next door field the first time it came to me, with a pair of red boots on my feet.
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Post by Gods on Oct 21, 2011 14:04:34 GMT
I thought Wilson's black boots looked great.
I would always favour a player in black boots ahead of some ridiculous fancy-dan in some garishly coloured boots.
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Post by gnosallpotter on Oct 21, 2011 14:15:56 GMT
That was the first through ball I have seen (probably exaggerating) from a Stoke player in the centre since Lawrence played in Fuller for his goal against Aston Villa in the first season.
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