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Post by kissmeteeth on Sept 19, 2011 8:42:19 GMT
If I caught some scumbag in my house then I would gladly beat them to a pulp.
A few years ago a mate of mine caught a young burglar in his house. The burglar told him to get out unless he didn't want to get hurt. So my mate locked himself and the burglar in the house.
My mate is an ex bare knuckle fighter and he beat this scumbag to within an inch of his life.
The police (off the record) congratulated him.
He would have killed him if the police hadn't arrived without doubt.
What would you do?
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Post by Arthurdollar on Sept 19, 2011 9:13:08 GMT
Shoot the bastard. Simples.
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Post by frasier45 on Sept 19, 2011 10:17:45 GMT
My mate caught a 14 yr old on the first floor of his house
He'd climbed through his bathroom window
He told the lad ,firmly but calmly to come down the stairs
The lad came strolling down with a swagger and a grin right across his face shouting" there's fcuk all you can do about it unless you want to be arrested "
My mate was more worried about what the lads family would do to his family if he payed a finger on him.
It should be enter at own risk
Anything goes and the authorities should support the victim
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Sept 19, 2011 10:19:07 GMT
We have plenty of things in our bedroom we can use to 'defend' ourselves. If someone came into my home, with my family in it, i wouldnt care what happened to them.
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Post by stokeyagro on Sept 19, 2011 10:23:51 GMT
Prison does fuck all with them, when i was in 20s i get 2 half years for my first burg then 4 years 8 months on second the 3rd only did 6 month on remand got out on drug testing order
ive been clean now over 6 years if i caught any fucker in my house id shoot fuckers
not nice at all to rob anyones house i was on drugs etc no excuses
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 19, 2011 10:30:12 GMT
If the scumbags know they could have their brains kicked in,they may think twice before breaking in.
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Post by DannyStokie on Sept 19, 2011 10:42:04 GMT
I suggest they don't, unless they don't value the use of their legs.
Though, we've been burgled at our old house 3 times, in the garage for my motorbike and my dads. First time it was gypsies, got my quadbike, saw it on the camp, police said there was nothing they could do basically.
2nd time I had chained it to the floor so they stole 6 cans of carling instead,
3rd time I was warned someone was gonna do it, they cut roof off of garage, took more beer, tried to take my push bike but obviously forgot bolt cutters.
When the police came i let it slip that someone warned me, he wanted me to say who, does he think I was really gonna say?
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Post by stokeyagro on Sept 19, 2011 10:46:31 GMT
We been burgled twice first time was a sneak at my dads pub only managed ran sack bedroom then ran off then i had my flat broken in to made well bad mess of the door stole tv etc
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Post by big bea on Sept 19, 2011 10:59:34 GMT
i got 3 dogs, they would get through the front door ( just about ) before been basically ripped to shreads, they lovely dogs but are very protective
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Post by buddha on Sept 19, 2011 19:47:17 GMT
anyone who comes in my gaff will get the thick end of my snooker cue , simples .  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2011 21:16:32 GMT
My shiny new baseball bat, as yet unused, would get a royal christening.
I have never been burgled, touch wood etc, but it's one of the things of my list of 'lines you don't cross'.
If you enter someone else's home without permission, with intent to steal or do harm, sorry, you have to expect what is coming to you.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Sept 19, 2011 23:19:29 GMT
Prison does fuck all with them, when i was in 20s i get 2 half years for my first burg then 4 years 8 months on second the 3rd only did 6 month on remand got out on drug testing order ive been clean now over 6 years if i caught any fucker in my house id shoot fuckers not nice at all to rob anyones house i was on drugs etc no excuses Youd shoot them even though you used to rob people's fucking houses?? So by that logic then you should have been shot? No? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2011 23:44:39 GMT
I 'd like to to hug each and everyone of them in a non-queer type of way whilst using the middle digit on right hand to gently carress the offenders temple.
I used to do this for a living....they never felt a thing...Honest.
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Post by JP on Sept 20, 2011 1:31:12 GMT
Prison does fuck all with them, when i was in 20s i get 2 half years for my first burg then 4 years 8 months on second the 3rd only did 6 month on remand got out on drug testing order ive been clean now over 6 years if i caught any fucker in my house id shoot fuckers not nice at all to rob anyones house i was on drugs etc no excuses What the fuck? |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 20, 2011 2:00:05 GMT
It is not right to cause deliberate physical injury (or worse) to anyone, unless it is a genuine act of self-defence.
It might be understandable but it's not right, and perpetrators should be punished.
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Post by stokeyagro on Sept 20, 2011 6:09:59 GMT
Prison does fuck all with them, when i was in 20s i get 2 half years for my first burg then 4 years 8 months on second the 3rd only did 6 month on remand got out on drug testing order ive been clean now over 6 years if i caught any fucker in my house id shoot fuckers not nice at all to rob anyones house i was on drugs etc no excuses Youd shoot them even though you used to rob people's fucking houses?? So by that logic then you should have been shot? No? So i catch some bag head in my house OH a up mate want a cuppa i used go out rob houses to, here take my tv etc like i said been clean nearly 7 years, got kid etc now grown up don't do burgs or rob cars now was long time a go i have been burgled my self so have my parents in the pub, when i was in ash well long term prison there was old man in there on lifers unit and he shot and killed someone when they robbed his farm house at night SNEAK burg he was old as the hills as well shouldn't, been in there |
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 20, 2011 17:51:43 GMT
It is not right to cause deliberate physical injury (or worse) to anyone, unless it is a genuine act of self-defence. It might be understandable but it's not right, and perpetrators should be punished. But should you wait to be attacked before you do? If i found somebody in my house and had something to hand to smack him with he'd have to have it. I'm not going to get into a conversation with him about whether or not he'd like to leave peacefully after kindly smiling for a photo for the police. I wouldn't go overboard but my idea of 'sufficient force' would be to keep hitting him until he's physically unable to get up. There's no reason i should be put at any risk of injury at all and if that means knocking him unconscious or stabbing him in the leg i think that's perfectly fair. Then he'd be tied up until the police got there. Is that unreasonable? Letting him leave with my stuff and then expecting the police to catch him based on my shitty description is not a deterent. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 18:12:14 GMT
If anybody decides to break into my house then they will suffer the consequences which believe me will be dire. My wife and girls are the only motivation I need to beat seven bells out of any would be robber. I have a variety of blunt intruments with which to gently caress their skulls.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 12:22:24 GMT
It is not right to cause deliberate physical injury (or worse) to anyone, unless it is a genuine act of self-defence. It might be understandable but it's not right, and perpetrators should be punished. It's exactly this type of lily-livered rubbish that has given the crminals the upper hand as it is. It's not like we are talking about attacking innocent people (if we were, your argument is watertight) but we are talking about people who have committed a criminal act in entering your home illegally, and in doing so risked that they may come face-to-face with the householder. The burglar wouldn't hesitate to use force/violence if confronted, you'd expect, so by definition, surely you are carrying out an act of self-defence, so you choose to attack them, once they enter your home? The law should protect the householder, not the other way round. If unreasonable force has been used, (ie the burglar was running away, the householder trips him up and beats them to a pulp, etc) then maybe that becomes an area for a jury to decide whether or not any offence has been committed. But for me, by the letter of the law or not, I'm acting in self defence once the burglar steps over my threshold, and I wouldn't hesitate to take him out. Whether I'd beat him to within an inch of his life is debatable, it depends how the situation developed I suppose. Once thing's for sure, my first priority would be to think of my missus and kids first, quickly followed by a large amount of anger given that someone thinks that they have a right to invade your space in that way. |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 21, 2011 12:38:37 GMT
It is not right to cause deliberate physical injury (or worse) to anyone, unless it is a genuine act of self-defence. It might be understandable but it's not right, and perpetrators should be punished. Bollox. If someone is stupid enough to take on my 2 dogs and survive then the 2 broken legs from my bat will stop them running until the old bill arrive. They can then sit on their arses for 6 weeks while there legs heal. At least they won't be in someone else's house for 6 weeks after the wankers in blue just give them a caution.  |
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 21, 2011 13:01:12 GMT
It is not right to cause deliberate physical injury (or worse) to anyone, unless it is a genuine act of self-defence. It might be understandable but it's not right, and perpetrators should be punished. Gentle liberal as I am I disagree... if someone's committing a crime against me or mine, I'd claim the right to defend myself by any means necessary. If I had a gun I'd shoot to kill a rapist and shoot to badly wound a burglar. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 21, 2011 15:15:35 GMT
It is not right to cause deliberate physical injury (or worse) to anyone, unless it is a genuine act of self-defence. It might be understandable but it's not right, and perpetrators should be punished. Gentle liberal as I am I disagree... if someone's committing a crime against me or mine, I'd claim the right to defend myself by any means necessary. If I had a gun I'd shoot to kill a rapist and shoot to badly wound a burglar. That's exactly what I'm saying sal. Self defence is one thing, but "beating someone to within an inch of his life" as an act of punishment or revenge is wrong. |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 21, 2011 15:31:20 GMT
Gentle liberal as I am I disagree... if someone's committing a crime against me or mine, I'd claim the right to defend myself by any means necessary. If I had a gun I'd shoot to kill a rapist and shoot to badly wound a burglar. That's exactly what I'm saying sal. Self defence is one thing, but "beating someone to within an inch of his life" as an act of punishment or revenge is wrong. Not if they break into my house it isn't. They shouldn't put themselves in the position in the first place. Don't break in=don't get beaten by a bat! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 17:16:07 GMT
The key is to understand what is meant by self defence.
Basically its the ability to defend oneselfs or anothers person or property. This can be either during, after or prior to an incident.
The main part of peoples "self defence" on here is that a key element to self defence is that the person purporting to act in it must not want to fight. It must be there last option and must be reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances.
Clearly hardly anyone would be acting in self defence if they attacked someone with a bat.
A similar situation would be a bullied person at school for example. He goes to school most days knowing he is probably going to be punched. Does that then give him the right to walk round with a knife whether he uses it or not just in case he does?
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Post by kylelightbourne on Sept 21, 2011 18:49:44 GMT
It baffles me how you say youd kill them or virtually kill them for the sake of your family, yet you KNOW the law and you KNOW you would go to prison if you did so, so how is that helping your family????
Self defence, fine, injuring them to a certain degree and tying them up, fair enough but no more than that unless they are threatening serious violence (but thats not what was being talked about above)
And the fella who says he would shoot someone for doing what he used to do himself, unbelievable really
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Post by elystokie on Sept 21, 2011 19:10:34 GMT
I don't keep any weapons with which to attack intruders as I believe it increases my chances of being the one coming off worst sentence wise due to our ludicrous legal system. If they're still stupid enough to enter after the 4 dogs have barked their heads off (though I doubt they'd attack anyone tbh) then I'll attack the fuckers with my fists. I did a fair bit of boxing as a kid and grew up on Bentilee ;D so I'd fancy my chances against some scumbag chav. If I didn't win I'd make sure I came a very close second  |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 22, 2011 2:39:46 GMT
That's exactly what I'm saying sal. Self defence is one thing, but "beating someone to within an inch of his life" as an act of punishment or revenge is wrong. They shouldn't put themselves in the position in the first place. Don't break in=don't get beaten by a bat! Well, yes, even if it's your house it's still wrong stafford. For the record, I can see how the red mist could come down and see you lay into someone. I'd hope I wouldn't do it, but If I did, I'd expect to be punished for it. |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Sept 22, 2011 3:14:20 GMT
Anyone breaking into my house would be welcomed with a polite warning from the Berretta. Any further intrusion would be met with a not so polite emptying of the remaining contents.
Can't say fairer than that, really.
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Post by stillgame4it on Sept 22, 2011 4:17:20 GMT
I am working over in US at the moment, and just been at the hotel bar talking with a guy from Texas (who is working up here in RI).
We ended up getting onto discussing this topic, after he started quizzing me initially about the recent London riots.
From what he was telling me, using your weapon if anyone even comes onto your property after darkness is positively encouraged. He himself has the concealment licence so he can carry a gun whenever/wherever legally.
No doubt there is still burglary and other crime happening in Texas - but I bet the "repeat offending" figures are lower than the UK!
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Post by kylelightbourne on Sept 22, 2011 6:25:12 GMT
Well if they're dead they obviously won't repeat offend ;D
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