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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 21, 2011 16:46:36 GMT
You really think I can be arsed, to single you out Homzy ... you're either paranoid, or you have got a massive ego fella. Some of the stuff people have posted this afternoon, I agree with and some of the stuff people have posted, I disagree with but I hope I've managed to respect their opinon by at least responding to it - specifically. In my humble opinon, your post is impossible to actually debate because it's so vague. Plenty of others have managed to. If you do not think there have been no overly-negative posts today that's fair enough, but I'm not alone in thinking there was. Because we're they're finally getting you to engage in specifics. I didn't even remotely say there hasn't been any overly-negative posts at all ...
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 21, 2011 16:47:05 GMT
we were very lucky today. no red card and we would not have scored. Our players looked tierd and its only 2 prem games in. We need reinforcements because our squad needs rotating if its going to be 2 games a week. Ideally we could rest 4 or 5 players against thun on thursday. We can't at the moment cos we don't have the squad, and without that rotation, we will look knackered against west brom next weekend. Norwich were poor, so were we.
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Post by Homzy on Aug 21, 2011 16:49:03 GMT
If you read my posts again you will notice I did not say it was a good result. I expect us to win games like this (although it was always going to be tough after Europe and it being their first home game), but all that let us down today was our finishing. The performance was absolutely fine. Not amazing and not perfect, but not bad at all. And if you read my post again instead of being condescending you will find I never said that you said it was a fucking good result. I was commenting on your 'Unrealistic' line. H I wasn't actually being condescending mate, I was just trying to stress that I didn't think it was a good result, i.e. Stoke fans were right to believe we should go there and win. My point is the performance. Had we put away our chances today we'd have won comfortably and I'd wager the majority of posts on here would be hailing a fairly dominant away performance by our standards. Unfortunately we had a bit of a mare in front of goal but that, in my opinion, does not warrant the amount of negative posts I (but not everyone) have read.
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Post by chicagostokie on Aug 21, 2011 16:49:10 GMT
You really think I can be arsed, to single you out Homzy ... you're either paranoid, or you have got a massive ego fella. Some of the stuff people have posted this afternoon, I agree with and some of the stuff people have posted, I disagree with but I hope I've managed to respect their opinon by at least responding to it - specifically. In my humble opinon, your post is impossible to actually debate because it's so vague. Plenty of others have managed to. If you do not think there have been no overly-negative posts today that's fair enough, but I'm not alone in thinking there was. Your glass half full approach is fine Homzy, but some of your excuses are stretching the truth a little. How about QPR's first home Premier League game vs Bolton? It's all well and good to be positive (hat off to you) but others are also extremely worried about our current predicament. The first half today was shocking. No midfield support, the forwards too far apart, very poor passing, no real chances (other than Matty's). I can't see how you can pull any positives from the game until they were down to ten men. Then there is the squad issue.
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Aug 21, 2011 16:50:05 GMT
I dont think my expectations are too high, I know all the "look how far we've come" mentions are valid, HOWEVER, I honestly think now to push on we need at LEAST one midfielder who can strike the ball from outside the box and not have it go in Row Z.
We have the making of a decent team, we really do and I know this is said so many times but WE LACK QUALITY. I'd of thought 3 years in the prem would show us that we need a player who can hit the target instead of ballooning it way over the bar (see Delap, Whitehead, Whelan)
We just need 6 players in my opinion to COMPETITIVELY go to teams like Norwich and Stamp our authority on the game and WIN, not just scrap a draw at last knockings.
First half in the final 3rd we were dog shit. Ethers had the beating of the right back but as soon as Pennant went off injured he had to move over,,, threat removed. Walters really didn't look himself , I still think Jones looks half arsed most of the time and spends 80% of the game on the floor.
We need to move on from the Midfield of Whelan, delap, whitehead and god forbid Diao and for us to REALISTICALLY Compete this season (group stages of Europa while improving on our prem finishes) this midfield has to be changed. I know TP has been trying his ass off get the players in, but time is running out and I am honestly bricking it this week in case the apples dont drop and we're left with what we have at the moment.
In an ideal world this week, I'd like
2 Full backs 2 Midfielders 2 Strikers
I'll settle for one of each though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 16:50:15 GMT
No one will convince me we played okay for the first half today. We were shit. End of.
Improved second half but I still expect more. A lot more.
Three points there for the taking today.
Having said all that, still a great start to the season and if our management get things right before the end of the window things could be looking very positive.
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Post by Homzy on Aug 21, 2011 16:51:02 GMT
Plenty of others have managed to. If you do not think there have been no overly-negative posts today that's fair enough, but I'm not alone in thinking there was. Because we're they're finally getting you to engage in specifics. I didn't even remotely say there hasn't been any overly-negative posts at all ... You said you couldn't have a proper debate with me unless I highlighted specific negative posts/threads. I think there have been enough of them to speak broadly.
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Aug 21, 2011 16:51:16 GMT
Agree with Homzy all the way just on the way back and Kenwynes goal makes the drive a bit easier he missed a sitter too, walters peno miss it could easily have been 3 or 4 on another day good result after a hard week away in europe to carry on our unbeaten start to the season
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2011 16:51:53 GMT
We have just played one of the most difficult games of the season, we have achieved a well-deserved point and could have had all 3.
First half was poor, Woodgate had a worrying game and we picked up another injury. Apart from that let's be pleased with the result.
We now have a few days at home to bring in reinforcements.
5 games into a new season, undefeated and only one goal conceded and still some people moan ;D
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Post by Countydog on Aug 21, 2011 16:52:10 GMT
I am appalled by the reaction of many following our draw today. The bile and criticism is just an absolute joke. Yes it was a poor display and yes the squad is thin but praise to the Manager and the lads out there for getting what could be a very important point.
You might not want to hear it but for me - yes Thursday night football made this game very tough. Its not a ready made excuse its a fact.
Tony knows what we need. We also wont risk the future of this club by paying stupid wages for players who arguably are no better than what we have.
What do people expect ? Perhaps a top four finish !. Be realistic for christs sake
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Post by hchpotter on Aug 21, 2011 16:52:22 GMT
Why should we expect to score against a team just because they are a newly promoted club? Everton are an established premier club and lost 1-0 to QPR who were battered last week.
Wigan have been in the prremiership longer than us and possess the striker that many on here long to see in red and white. Did they hammer Norwich?
This is a tough league and we will have to battle for every point. Without playing particularly well today we got a good hard earned away point.
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Post by wednesburystokie on Aug 21, 2011 16:53:00 GMT
Very good post, because it was someone's opinion and it invites debate, waste of time having this site if we cant do that, i did the 'sorry norwich' post because of frustration at the final whistle.
What do we want next, the mods on here supressing free(ish) speech
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Post by Homzy on Aug 21, 2011 16:53:51 GMT
Plenty of others have managed to. If you do not think there have been no overly-negative posts today that's fair enough, but I'm not alone in thinking there was. Your glass half full approach is fine Homzy, but some of your excuses are stretching the truth a little. How about QPR's first home Premier League game vs Bolton? It's all well and good to be positive (hat off to you) but others are also extremely worried about our current predicament. The first half today was shocking. No midfield support, the forwards too far apart, very poor passing, no real chances (other than Matty's). I can't see how you can pull any positives from the game until they were down to ten men. Then there is the squad issue. I'm not making excuses because I don't think there is anything to excuse. The performance was absolutely fine in my book. Perhaps you're right, though, that my positivity is borne out of my one million per cent belief that we will sufficiently strengthen the squad before the end of the month. Maybe others worry today's performance will be as good as it gets all season because they don't believe we'll strengthen.
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Aug 21, 2011 16:54:33 GMT
I think any sane Stokie would agree with everything Homzy has said.
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Post by chicagostokie on Aug 21, 2011 16:56:35 GMT
Your glass half full approach is fine Homzy, but some of your excuses are stretching the truth a little. How about QPR's first home Premier League game vs Bolton? It's all well and good to be positive (hat off to you) but others are also extremely worried about our current predicament. The first half today was shocking. No midfield support, the forwards too far apart, very poor passing, no real chances (other than Matty's). I can't see how you can pull any positives from the game until they were down to ten men. Then there is the squad issue. I'm not making excuses because I don't think there is anything to excuse. The performance was absolutely fine in my book. Perhaps you're right, though, that my positivity is borne out of my one million per cent belief that we will sufficiently strengthen the squad before the end of the month. Maybe others worry today's performance will be as good as it gets all season because they don't believe we'll strengthen. I think you hit the nail on the head there Homzy and 100% agree. My fear (and maybe others) is that we don't strengthen and we are subject to players out of position and no options on the bench. I believe we may bring in 1 or 2 more, but we have gaps at fullback, need cover on the wing, desperate for a decent CM and probably need 2 forwards. This is a big week for us, and I hope we are all happy at the end of it, with some new players and relief all round. You might know a little more than some of us though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 16:56:37 GMT
I'll defend the regulars on the Match day thread We don't wait until two hours after the game, several rums and coke and a spot of lunch/dinner/supper, before we comment on Kenny Jones missing a sitter from 7 yards with about 5 minutes to go. Nor whelan smacking it over the bar again from 25 yards, nor Deano managing to somehow miss the corner flag from the edge of the box Because we don't get down/up to all that many games anymore, that is our game. I agree, we could all record ourselves singing Delilah, stick them on Youtube and listen to ourselves for ninety minutes ... but where would the fun be in that? Yeah, it is probably worse when its an away game and few of the locals can be bothered to go - the part-timing tvvats - but the rest of us are the same every week. If it inner Joe banging on about unsoiled sheets and calling for the fulltime whistle after 2 minutes, then I'm wondering what the feck Kenny is on for missing from less than the distance of a long jump at the paralympics, or F is wondering why the commentry has gone to shite on the Official Site Get over yourself, Homzy, duck. It was Naaaaaaawich, we weren't very good, we need some players (and we'll get em, before the end of August) and we missed a peno (that shouldn't have been, but that's by-the-by).
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2011 16:57:24 GMT
I think any sane Stokie would agree with everything Homzy has said. Agreed! Perhaps the club should identify the negative clodheads and ban them from the Brit. They might be happier up the Vale
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 21, 2011 16:58:06 GMT
Why should we expect to score against a team just because they are a newly promoted club? Everton are an established premier club and lost 1-0 to QPR who were battered last week. Wigan have been in the prremiership longer than us and possess the striker that many on here long to see in red and white. Did they hammer Norwich? This is a tough league and we will have to battle for every point. Without playing particularly well today we got a good hard earned away point. What is wrong with a supporter of an established Premier League team that are in Europe, well managed, and run by a Chairman who has 100's of millions of pounds, EXPECTING to get a win against a newly promoted team? Just how unrealistic is that?
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2011 17:00:47 GMT
Why should we expect to score against a team just because they are a newly promoted club? Everton are an established premier club and lost 1-0 to QPR who were battered last week. Wigan have been in the prremiership longer than us and possess the striker that many on here long to see in red and white. Did they hammer Norwich? This is a tough league and we will have to battle for every point. Without playing particularly well today we got a good hard earned away point. What is wrong with a supporter of an established Premier League team that are in Europe, well managed, and run by a Chairman who has a 100's of millions of pounds, EXPECTING to get a win against a newly promoted team? Just how unrealistic is that? VERY. Burnley beat ManUre in their first home game after promotion. Today was Norwich's cup final and the 2nd biggest crowd ever since they seated Carrow Road.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 17:01:38 GMT
Agree with Homzy. I didn't think the performance was that bad.
I don't think we have any right to go away anywhere in the Premier League and get three points - and especially not in a game in which we're stuck with Danny Pugh out wide for 70 minutes. We're patched up and threadbare at the moment (yes, down to our transfer policy, which the manager and others have to take responsibility for) and in that context, any result away from home is a good one.
As homzy said, we were more positive and created far more chances away from home than normal.
Promoted teams have to make their home form count. In our first year up we'd have slaughtered fans moaning about how they should be winning at "little Stoke" as bertie big bollocks dickheads. It's not a great time to be playing a promoted team away and we've come away having created the bulk of the chances.
There was a lot wrong with the performance (the usual stuff in the main) but I don't think we were anywhere near as bad or lucky as some are making out.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 21, 2011 17:01:41 GMT
Because we're they're finally getting you to engage in specifics. I didn't even remotely say there hasn't been any overly-negative posts at all ... You said you couldn't have a proper debate with me unless I highlighted specific negative posts/threads. I think there have been enough of them to speak broadly. 1. No I didn't. 2. And you're entitled to that opinion ... my opinion (as I said originally) is that I hate those types of posts, for me 'broad' means 'vague', which ultimately means 'pointless'. If you've got a specific opinion, make it and then let's debate it.
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Post by Homzy on Aug 21, 2011 17:00:32 GMT
I'll defend the regulars on the Match day thread We don't wait until two hours after the game, several rums and coke and a spot of lunch/dinner/supper, before we comment on Kenny Jones missing a sitter from 7 yards with about 5 minutes to go. Nor whelan smacking it over the bar again from 25 yards, nor Deano managing to somehow miss the corner flag from the edge of the box Because we don't get down/up to all that many games anymore, that is our game. I agree, we could all record ourselves singing Delilah, stick them on Youtube and listen to ourselves for ninety minutes ... but where would the fun be in that? Yeah, it is probably worse when its an away game and few of the locals can be bothered to go - the part-timing tvvats - but the rest of us are the same every week. If it inner Joe banging on about unsoiled sheets and calling for the fulltime whistle after 2 minutes, then I'm wondering what the feck Kenny is on for missing from less than the distance of a long jump at the paralympics, or F is wondering why the commentry has gone to shite on the Official Site Get over yourself, Homzy, duck. It was Naaaaaaawich, we weren't very good, we need some players (and we'll get em, before the end of August) and we missed a peno (that shouldn't have been, but that's by-the-by). I haven't even read the matchday thread for what it's worth mate!
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Post by stokie25 on Aug 21, 2011 17:02:14 GMT
I'll defend the regulars on the Match day thread We don't wait until two hours after the game, several rums and coke and a spot of lunch/dinner/supper, before we comment on Kenny Jones missing a sitter from 7 yards with about 5 minutes to go. Nor whelan smacking it over the bar again from 25 yards, nor Deano managing to somehow miss the corner flag from the edge of the box Because we don't get down/up to all that many games anymore, that is our game. I agree, we could all record ourselves singing Delilah, stick them on Youtube and listen to ourselves for ninety minutes ... but where would the fun be in that? Yeah, it is probably worse when its an away game and few of the locals can be bothered to go - the part-timing tvvats - but the rest of us are the same every week. If it inner Joe banging on about unsoiled sheets and calling for the fulltime whistle after 2 minutes, then I'm wondering what the feck Kenny is on for missing from less than the distance of a long jump at the paralympics, or F is wondering why the commentry has gone to shite on the Official Site Get over yourself, Homzy, duck. It was Naaaaaaawich, we weren't very good, we need some players (and we'll get em, before the end of August) and we missed a peno (that shouldn't have been, but that's by-the-by). Agreed. It's a good thread to read whilst listening to radio commentary and probably no different than what was being said in pubs all around the potteries whilst a german station broadcast the game on a 50" TV to them. If people didn't feel they could voice their opinions about the game they're watching when it includes THEIR football club, who a lot of people would bleed for, then it's time to stop going and watch the latest 'big' game on sky
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Post by hchpotter on Aug 21, 2011 17:03:55 GMT
It's unrealistic to expect any easy wins in this division. The owners of newly promoted QPR have a few quid but do we expect to roll them over just becuase we've been in the prem longer than they have?
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Post by Juan Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 17:04:08 GMT
I think any sane Stokie would agree with everything Homzy has said. Agreed, he talks 100% sense. I agree with Homzy but can definitely see why other are saying what they are...good debate
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Post by Homzy on Aug 21, 2011 17:04:25 GMT
You said you couldn't have a proper debate with me unless I highlighted specific negative posts/threads. I think there have been enough of them to speak broadly. 1. No I didn't. 2. And you're entitled to that opinion ... my opinion (as I said originally) is that I hate those types of posts, for me 'broad' means 'vague', which ultimately means 'pointless'. If you've got a specific opinion, make it and then let's debate it. 1. Are you kidding me Paul?! See below. I hate these type of threads. They're so vague, they become impossible debate. Which reactions are you talking about Homzy? If you addressed the specific thread with which you disagree, then maybe a proper debate could be had.2. If I have not given any specific opinion in this thread then I must have gone mad. I've given loads of opinions!
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 21, 2011 17:06:32 GMT
What is wrong with a supporter of an established Premier League team that are in Europe, well managed, and run by a Chairman who has a 100's of millions of pounds, EXPECTING to get a win against a newly promoted team? Just how unrealistic is that? VERY. Burnley beat ManUre in their first home game after promotion. Today was Norwich's cup final and the 2nd biggest crowd ever since they seated Carrow Road. So why did Bolton go to QPR and demolish them 4-0? Excuses excuses march.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 21, 2011 17:08:05 GMT
I amhappy to take a point away from home, We were awful first half You would never have known thta we were playing against 10 men The thing that annoys me about wasting our chances is that most of the time they are not even on target to force a save. That said, we all know we need new signings, as for the Norwich match :- we got a penalty that wasn't, a player sent off that shouldn't have been and then failed to score; but scored an equalliser in extra time. Forget MOTD and watch it on Crimewatch. Take the point though.
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Post by jeffers on Aug 21, 2011 17:08:21 GMT
Just got back as I live an hour away from Norwich.
We had the first 10 minutes, Norwich got a foothold and dominated until half-time where we looked pretty crap. After the sending off we looked the better team and deserved the point.
What I will say is we need to strengthen centre mid and up front and another winger as danny pugh is not good enough. Our shooting from outside the box is fucking terrible as well.
I'm pretty happy with the point as Norwich looked a decent side.
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Post by gibby1409 on Aug 21, 2011 17:08:36 GMT
Agree with Homzy. I didn't think the performance was that bad. I don't think we have any right to go away anywhere in the Premier League and get three points - and especially not in a game in which we're stuck with Danny Pugh out wide for 70 minutes. We're patched up and threadbare at the moment (yes, down to our transfer policy, which the manager and others have to take responsibility for) and in that context, any result away from home is a good one. As homzy said, we were more positive and created far more chances away from home than normal. Promoted teams have to make their home form count. In our first year up we'd have slaughtered fans moaning about how they should be winning at "little Stoke" as bertie big bollocks dickheads. It's not a great time to be playing a promoted team away and we've come away having created the bulk of the chances. There was a lot wrong with the performance (the usual stuff in the main) but I don't think we were anywhere near as bad or lucky as some are making out. Good Post Rob! The only thing I disagree with is the Transfer Policy Dig (If that's what is was) I think that unless the Window is moved to the end of July, then this will always be the case, it's just a normal negotiation, and it's down to whoever Blinks first. I actually agree with not letting Agents and certain No Mark Players fuck us over, so as frustrating as it undoubtably is, then we'll probably need to get used to it.
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