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Post by luke45 on Jul 22, 2011 10:49:19 GMT
...in the history of the league from 1992 - present. We have got a Sportsmans Dinner organised for our local junior football team, and I have been asked to put together a list of the top 10 players in the history of the Premier League for the following categories: - Goalkeepers - Full-backs - Centre-backs - Wingers - Central Midfielders - Forwards The Sportsmans dinner is with ex-Premier League referee Jeff Winter, and the idea as an added fundraiser for the night was to get Jeff to name his best XI out of the shortlisted players and people have to guess it and the closest to his team wins the prize. Anyway, I've put together a shortlist of players so I was just hoping for some opinions on how accurate my shortlist is, and whether I've forgotten any obvious players. It was incredibly tough to do and I've had to leave out some fantastic players. Here goes.... Goalkeepers Brad Friedel - Blackburn David James - Portsmouth David Seaman - Arsenal Petr Cech - Chelsea Edwin Van Der Sar - Man Utd Neville Southall - Everton Tim Flowers - Blackburn Peter Schmeichel - Man Utd Nigel Martyn - Leeds Neil Sullivan - Tottenham Full-backs Stuart Pearce - Notts Forest Gary Neville - Man Utd Ashley Cole - Chelsea Dan Petrescu - Chelsea Denis Irwin - Man Utd Nigel Winterburn - Arsenal Lee Dixon - Arsenal Graeme Le Saux - Chelsea Ian Harte - Leeds Mikael Silvestre - Man Utd Centre-backs Colin Hendry - Blackburn Lucas Radebe - Leeds Utd Jaap Stam - Man Utd John Terry - Chelsea Tony Adams - Arsenal Sami Hyypia - Liverpool Sol Campbell - Tottenham Rio Ferdinand - Man Utd Marcel Desailly - Chelsea Martin Keown - Arsenal Wingers David Beckham - Man Utd Ryan Giggs - Man Utd David Ginola - Tottenham Cristiano Ronaldo - Man Utd Robert Pires - Arsenal Steve Mcmanaman - Liverpool John Barnes - Liverpool Marc Overmars - Arsenal Chris Waddle - Sheffield Wednesday Andrei Kanchelskis - Man Utd Central Midfield Players - Attacking & Defensive Roy Keane - Man Utd Patrick Vieira - Arsenal Paul Scholes - Man Utd Steven Gerrard - Liverpool Gary Speed - Newcastle Paul Ince - Man Utd David Batty - Leeds Utd Paul Merson - Arsenal Frank Lampard - Chelsea Dennis Wise - Chelsea Forwards Alan Shearer - Newcastle Ruud Van Nistelrooy - Man Utd Thierry Henry - Arsenal Dennis Bergkamp - Arsenal Eric Cantona - Man Utd Michael Owen - Liverpool Gianfranco Zola - Chelsea Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - Chelsea Matt Le Tissier - Southampton Paolo Di Canio - West Ham I've tried to keep the shortlists so the players are from a mixture of clubs and not too dominant with players from Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal etc... Not easy though because some players simply have to be picked. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 10:53:13 GMT
Don’t think I’d have Di Canio. I’d have Ian Wright, Les Ferdinand, Andy Cole, Yorke etc before him. Or Fowler.
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Post by luke45 on Jul 22, 2011 10:57:04 GMT
Don’t think I’d have Di Canio. I’d have Ian Wright, Les Ferdinand, Andy Cole, Yorke etc before him. Or Fowler. I can understand why, they all have better striker-rates than him ( I think? ) I just chose Di Canio based on natural ability, some of the skills he produced over the years were sublime. Sort of a similar sort of comparison to Dennis Bergkamp, not as prolific as others but just sheer genius at times. As I say though, I see where your coming from.
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2011 10:58:17 GMT
I'd probably stick Emmanuel Petit in there ahead of Wise, Speed or Batty.
...and where's Petr Cech?
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Jul 22, 2011 10:59:39 GMT
My dream team would be as follows; Seaman Winterburn Dixon Bould Adams Beckham Viera Gerrard Giggs Shearer Henry
All from the top clubs, maybe with the exception of Shearer, but having top players is what makes them top clubs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 11:00:34 GMT
Don’t think I’d have Di Canio. I’d have Ian Wright, Les Ferdinand, Andy Cole, Yorke etc before him. Or Fowler. I can understand why, they all have better striker-rates than him ( I think? ) I just chose Di Canio based on natural ability, some of the skills he produced over the years were sublime. Sort of a similar sort of comparison to Dennis Bergkamp, not as prolific as others but just sheer genius at times. As I say though, I see where your coming from. Fair point, but still....ahead of the Lord himself....Robbie Fowler?
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Post by spunkbubble on Jul 22, 2011 11:00:57 GMT
That list should definitely include Cech, Vidic and Sidibe.
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Post by luke45 on Jul 22, 2011 11:02:46 GMT
I'd probably stick Emmanuel Petit in there ahead of Wise, Speed or Batty. ...and where's Petr Cech? Cech and Petit were very nearly included, I just tried to take length of time they've played in the Premier League in to account too. Wise, Speed and Batty have all played 300+ games in the Premier League, whereas Petit only played 150 games. It's all about opinions I suppose, Petit and Cech would probably make alot of peoples shortlists.
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2011 11:03:47 GMT
That list should definitely include Cech, Vidic and Sidibe. Stick Sidibe down for all 10 striker entries. He's at least 10x better than anything the PL's ever had to offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 11:04:20 GMT
Drogba.
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Post by spunkbubble on Jul 22, 2011 11:07:41 GMT
That list should definitely include Cech, Vidic and Sidibe. Stick Sidibe down for all 10 striker entries. He's at least 10x better than anything the PL's ever had to offer. Correct
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2011 11:08:54 GMT
Cech beens in there for a pretty long time hasn't he? Ravanelli? Phil Neville? Freddie Ljungberg?
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Post by PixiePotter on Jul 22, 2011 11:09:56 GMT
A pretty faultless list - although Fowler has to be in there, ahead of Owen perhaps.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2011 11:12:45 GMT
I'd have Drogba over Hasselbaink and Vidic over Radebe and I'd guess that most Premiership managers would do to.
I think you've got Merson and Le Tissier in the wrong sections fella.
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2011 11:15:33 GMT
Patrice Evra? I reckon he's in the top 4 left backs in the world.
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Post by luke45 on Jul 22, 2011 11:16:37 GMT
Cech beens in there for a pretty long time hasn't he? Ravanelli? Phil Neville? Freddie Ljungberg? Those 3 were considered, Ljungberg especially I was very close to putting in. Cech has made 222 Premier League appearances, which is less appearances than all the goalkeepers I shortlisted apart from two, Ed de Goey and Neville Southall. I'll ponder swapping Ed de Goey for Petr Cech I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 11:24:59 GMT
You've got to have Drog in.
He's been immense and surely qualifies under your "time served" criteria.
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Post by lordb on Jul 22, 2011 11:25:50 GMT
I hate thses things
it's like the previous 104 years of League football didnt exist
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 11:26:49 GMT
I hate thses things it's like the previous 104 years of League football didnt exist Not really.
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Post by luke45 on Jul 22, 2011 11:29:07 GMT
You've got to have Drog in. He's been immense and surely qualifies under your "time served" criteria. I'll consider it. ;D
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Post by lordb on Jul 22, 2011 11:29:07 GMT
also I don't like lists that include current players as I feel such things are best viewed in retrospect
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Jul 22, 2011 11:32:56 GMT
I think you've forgotten Rory - dickhead.
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Post by luke45 on Jul 22, 2011 11:34:26 GMT
also I don't like lists that include current players as I feel such things are best viewed in retrospect Each to their own. Some of the Premier League's current players are amongst the top 10 players of each position since 92' in my opinion. And nobody is ignoring the previous 104 years of the football league, there's 2 reasons why we've done it from the forming of the Premier League: 1. It shortens down the number of players to choose from and allows me to make plans for my future ;D 2. It fits in with the Sportsmans Dinner we are doing it for because Jeff Winter is largely remembered as a Premier League referee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 11:35:23 GMT
Plus you'd need to be 150 years old to be in a position to compare all players over that time period.
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Post by despotter on Jul 22, 2011 11:47:08 GMT
Shay Given has to be in with a shot.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 22, 2011 12:19:38 GMT
pepe reina surely!? over sullivan, martyn, and all overs bar schmeichel and seaman. evra over ian harte and silvestre carragher over radebe, vidic aswell loads over dicanio - beardsley, ian wright, anelka, cole, yorke, fowler
I assume your list requires a certain amount of time spent in the league, else torres on form has got to be up there, and drogba of course. vidic is arguably the best centre half ever in the prem, has he been in it long enough for your list though?
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Post by onionman on Jul 22, 2011 12:24:07 GMT
Petr Cech surely is better than De Goey?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 12:24:25 GMT
I'd probably stick Emmanuel Petit in there ahead of Wise, Speed or Batty. ...and where's Petr Cech? Cech and Petit were very nearly included, I just tried to take length of time they've played in the Premier League in to account too. Wise, Speed and Batty have all played 300+ games in the Premier League, whereas Petit only played 150 games. It's all about opinions I suppose, Petit and Cech would probably make alot of peoples shortlists. Cech would surely be there in place of de Goey though?
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Post by basingstokie on Jul 22, 2011 12:25:53 GMT
You need to incude Petr Cech, Patrice Evra, Vidic, Petit. Possibly Carragher
My top 11 Premiership would be Schmeichel Neville, Adams, Terry, Cole Ronaldo, Keane, Gerrard, Giggs Shearer, Henry
The only really difficult decisions are defence (Ferdinand), Midfield (Scholes/Vieira/Beckham)
Rest pick themselves quite easily
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 22, 2011 12:31:48 GMT
You need to incude Petr Cech, Patrice Evra, Vidic, Petit. Possibly Carragher My top 11 Premiership would be Schmeichel Neville, Adams, Terry, Cole Ronaldo, Keane, Gerrard, Giggs Shearer, Henry The only really difficult decisions are defence (Ferdinand), Midfield (Scholes/Vieira/Beckham) Rest pick themselves quite easily swap Gerrard for Scholes and i think you've pretty much got it spot on. the other centre half is difficult though, Rio & Terry its difficult to split, Terry i suppose just gets it in this side to prevent a Man Utd bias
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