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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 21:05:19 GMT
The manager knows his best starting 11 its the fact that most of it involves players who dont actually play in the positions he puts em in
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 21:06:24 GMT
Jimmy...I agree with practically everything you have posted there, including your concerns re Dicko. I have said as much myself, and actually believe that Wilko is the better of the two, ability wise.
That said, we are not at a higher level YET, and we are in the here and now, and right now, Dicko is the best option that we have at left back, assuming that Pulis isn't/wasn't going to use Griffin at left back.
With Griffin out, our best options at full-back are surely the two youngsters, with Shawcross and the excellent Riggot alongside them.
I echo your views on Cort and Pugh and also your views on Pulis and knowing his best 11.
I can't wait for this all to be over...I just want it to end positively.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 13, 2008 21:44:58 GMT
It really depresses me when people slag all our players off as wank. I don't see anything wrong with suggesting someone is better than someone else, but cussing your own players, who have played a part in our best season for 20 odd years, is wrong imho. It's not like they are trying to make mistakes. By all means slag of the manager's decisions but why attack our players?
So to balance things up - I love all our players...even Parkin got us 3 points against Charlton! And Pulis Jr, er, helped us draw with Newcastle, or something.
With Lawrence and Fuller on form, the others' confidence will grow. I believe we can make it, at least till Sat! ;D
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 13, 2008 22:28:41 GMT
See above, Bristol City game, both played, both useless, you could see one or other of them being sent off, Pugh is infinitely better than either. Just in case anyone missed it and you have very little excuse for having done so on the basis he did mention it several times before the game in question; AGSF went to the Bristol game. ;D Unfortunately not enough other games have been televised for him to work out why regular watchers of Danny's full back performances refer to him as "After Pugh" as he continually waves the winger through. It has also been overlooked by our favorite lapsed supporter that " Pugh and Cresswell both proved themselves in the Preston side that regularly got to the play-offs" by playing in their natural positions and not the square peg positions they are so ineffectual in for us. I can only imagine this long running dislike of home grown players second only to his hatred of foreign imports brought under the previous regime has something to do with a Stoke lad refusing his advances and/or pissing on his beloved pussy.
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Post by slangking on Apr 13, 2008 22:37:56 GMT
See above, Bristol City game, both played, both useless, you could see one or other of them being sent off, Pugh is infinitely better than either. Just in case anyone missed it and you have very little excuse for having done so on the basis he did mention it several times before the game in question; AGSF went to the Bristol game. ;D Unfortunately not enough other games have been televised for him to work out why regular watchers of Danny's full back performances refer to him as "After Pugh" as he continually waves the winger through. It has also been overlooked by our favorite lapsed supporter that " Pugh and Cresswell both proved themselves in the Preston side that regularly got to the play-offs" by playing in their natural positions and not the square peg positions they are so ineffectual in for us. I can only imagine this long running dislike of home grown players second only to his hatred of foreign imports brought under the previous regime has something to do with a Stoke lad refusing his advances and/or pissing on his beloved pussy. # At the risk of being deleted and to give everyone big laffs, can you please remind us of your assessment of Lawrence from earlier in the season? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 13, 2008 22:52:30 GMT
Certainly.
Along with many supporters who regularly watch games I was somewhat disappointed with Liam's performances when he first arrived at the club and early into this season.
He seemed rather one paced for a wide player which was very frustrating given the obvious need for an injection of pace in the side (something the manager himself banged on about but did little to address). All this was not helped by the fact that he was playing on the toes of our own full back (no doubt under instruction) which meant he was creating very little.
It was all fair observation at the time and many would agree that Liam was looking pretty average for a player costing more than half a million smackers to that point.
He has however now found a real way to influence the team by using his football brain and is without doubt the most improved player in the whole of the Championship. He has also been given more license to influence things further up the pitch which is where he is at his best (much the same as Pugh is)
I would have no hesitation in nominating him for my Stoke player of the season. He has come to the fore by being allowed to do what he does best. His confidence has grown and he is almost unrecognisable from the rather average wide man we saw at the start of the season.
It kind of ties in with the point that other regular observers of the side have been trying to tell you about square pegs in round holes, AGSF.
Now:
Talk me through your previous sterling defence of Pericard which you based on the single fact that he had apparently been at Juventus. That was the reason you felt inclined to describe everyone who pointed out he was a useless donkey as thick etc
You can't use your other publicised attendance at the WBA game on your doorstep as evidence for his prowess (he was picking up soap from he prison shower floor) but take it away all the same AGSF.
;D
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Apr 13, 2008 23:29:21 GMT
Slangking, dear me what are you on about? Did you not see the Newcastle game? did you not see the Palace game? Wilko and dicko were immense against prem opposition. Pugh got done like a Frode Kippe against palace as he does consitsenly in that full back position. Whenever I hear the team and Pugh is announced at left back my heart sinks. He's shite, egt rid. At least Dicko puts himself on the line for the club and actually gets stuck in! Defenders are there to defend, not pussy foot around like Danny Pube.
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Post by vientianescfc on Apr 14, 2008 1:53:15 GMT
I have to say I wouldn't play both Dickinson and Wilkinson - they both far too defensive minded and offer nothing going forward. One of them is ok and they add a bit more steel in at the back but two just removes further any possible attacking play. If we just want to shut up shop and play on the counter attack then sure they could both play as we did at home v Newcastle.
Personally my back four against Bristol would be:
Wilkinson Riggot Shawcross Pugh
Sure Pugh isn't a FB but he is willing to get forward and with 3 other very solid defender with him would allow him to get forward. Which is half the reason why he isn't 'as good' at LB as people think he should be - just as Hoefkens proved you can't be a great defender and get forward all the time, the two just don't go together!
On the Griffin side of things he seems to have taken a dip (dive) in form since been given the captains armband, I think Delap is the prime candidate for the armband against Bristol.
As for Cresswell being wank - 'how the fuck' he missed the 'chance' was that Schmiechel did what his dad always used to be good at, he came out very quickly past the penalty spot to take both ball and man. A very good piece of goalkeeping - most would of been still on their line or come out late and given a penalty.
Cresswell was upfront with Fuller who touched ball through to him and he made a good run on to the ball . . . and as I said above was stopped by a very good piece of goalkeeping. The fact that he was playing up alongside Fuller shows that having him in the team provides some flexibility for him to push up to CF so we are essential playing 4-3-1-2.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Apr 14, 2008 6:31:43 GMT
My team Simmo - would be a massive boost to him and he is the better shot stopper, doubt he would let us down Dicko - heart Riggott - seems to have class about him Shawcross - will learn stuff from Riggott Wilko - heart Lawrence - quality Whelan - quality Pugh - nice little battler (Paul Ince fashion) Delap - is a little bit more than the long throw Sidibe - as much as it pains me to say it cause he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo Fuller - quality Pearson ready on the bench to cause mayhem with his pace and the drop down should give him the wake up call. Ameobi - Carthorse and a desperate signing by an under pressure manager Hopefully his injury will allow us out of his contract. Cresswell - on the bench to replace Sidibe or a midfielder if needs be. Thats my pick for Satdee anyway Goooooooaaaaaarrrrrn Stoke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mcf on Apr 14, 2008 6:48:36 GMT
MarkW Trying to justify your shit, incorrect opinions I see. Still slagging the manager who has us top of league while you said he would never, ever get us there. Its so very, very embarrassing for you that I'm sure I'm close to dribbling on myself.
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Post by ianrb1 on Apr 14, 2008 6:51:28 GMT
A lot of the players have gone off the boil, I think it is going to be up to Lawrence and Fuller, the men of the season, to do the business in these remaining games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 6:53:07 GMT
I think Whelan will be back and at his best too.
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Post by mcf on Apr 14, 2008 6:55:01 GMT
DaveJohnno
How can you possibly slag a poster off for knowing nothing about football when he felt that this manager could do something with our club?
You on the other hand, got to see this manager for 3 or so years and came up with the sorry conclusion that he wouldn't do anything.
You Pulis Haters really do take the fucking biscuit.
Taking the opinion of the Pulis Haters on all things Stoke would be like taking the opinion of the Matthews family on chidcare.
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Post by slangking on Apr 14, 2008 6:55:16 GMT
It is funny mcf, he can call someone shiite, then miraculously say he was right all along because this player is now brilliant but shiite when he said he was! ;D
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Post by mcf on Apr 14, 2008 6:56:40 GMT
Its not funny AGSF
Its sad, very, very sad.
;D
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 14, 2008 13:02:14 GMT
That is two of the Pericard Fan Club Three together. All we need now is Fornside to pop along. At least AGSF has the excuse that it is difficult to tell how wank Pericard really is via the radio, Merk.
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Post by mumf14 on Apr 14, 2008 13:04:50 GMT
Woolystanton...I like that Halo...!
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Post by nathan on Apr 14, 2008 18:53:11 GMT
Bump
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Post by stokemark on Apr 15, 2008 8:05:25 GMT
Slangking
You obviously didnt go to Cov - Dicko was brilliant - He may lack a little technically but his passion, enthusiasm and fight are there for all to see. To then say you prefer to see the frankly hopless at left back Pugh is nuts.
Did you not see Sinclair skin him and leave him for dead last Monday ??
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