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Post by jarhead on Apr 13, 2008 19:53:13 GMT
I want defenders in defence who can FUCKIN DEFEND!!! FFS! In Wilko,Dicko they will destroy any winger early to let them know they are in a game and not piss about like Griff,Pugh do and look weak when one on one for a tackle or stop a cross coming over,look v Palace for a perfect example!!!
We have conceded to many goals due to poor defending from both full-back positions and has cost us.
Lets have 4 defenders and the lads in front of them in Pearson,Lawrence,Whelan,Fuller,Amobei etc etc get on with creating scoring goals to win us these important games.
The crap that Pulis spouts that Pugh plays to create from the left-back spot is just a joke as he has no pace or trickery to beat a man or produce in the final 3rd as 1, he is probably bolloxed. 2, not Roberto Carlos!!! But Pulis paid 500k of Peters money so he has to play but is not helping the situation out on the pitch.
Be a man Pulis and drop players not performing and give em a kick up the arse!!!
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Post by slangking on Apr 13, 2008 19:55:00 GMT
See above, Bristol City game, both played, both useless, you could see one or other of them being sent off, Pugh is infinitely better than either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 19:57:24 GMT
One thing is for sure he has no room for such devotion to players if they are not doing the job they are supposed to be doing when we get the to the prem other wise we will be mullered.
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Post by applemacman on Apr 13, 2008 19:58:13 GMT
Sorry but Cresswell has the touch of a one Mr Sutcliffe!
Shocking yesterday I'm afraid
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 19:58:50 GMT
Slang...still waiting for the example of Pugh offering us more from a full-back position.
At the end of the day, Pugh was signed to play on the left hand side of midfield. It emerged quickly that he wasn't good enough to fulfill that role consistently so he was moved to full-back, where quite clearly, he isn't good enough either, hence he isn't deployed in this position away from home as he can't defend.
His two decent games for us, came from a central midfield position v Newcastle and Watford. Despite this, his recent outings in centre midfield, including yesterday, proved exactly what he is...a typical utility player. i.e Not good enough in any one position to nail down a starting position. Jack of all trades, master of none of them.
Pugh offers us nothing from full-back, and is a constant source of goals for the opposition. Every man and his dog can see that, with the exception of you of course.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Apr 13, 2008 19:59:10 GMT
slangking your a rare example of someone that doesn't appreciate wilko and dicko. Everyone is entitled to their view but you spouting some crap here. As jarhead said we need someone to defend at present and Pugh isn't doing this.
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Post by bobafett on Apr 13, 2008 19:59:28 GMT
This Cresswell witch hunt really has to stop . He was more involved than Pearson at coventry and imo TP got the substitution right . He's not creative like Lawrence but his workrate is first class and he's weighed in with some important goals .
Why stoke fan's feel the need to always critisise there own players is a mystery to me . Why can't we just all get behind a team that is top and has a very good chance of getting promoted ?
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Post by jarhead on Apr 13, 2008 20:00:22 GMT
Are you potters22 as the new wind up merchant because you clearly are as deluded and thick?
Pugh a better left-back because he can pass a ball but can't defend? Fuck me you know your stuff don't ya!!!
And v Newcastle at home both young lads were up against Duff,Nzogbia,Viduka,Owen etc and kept them out with passion grit and a desire in wearing the red n white shirt and were both MOM in many peoples eyes and got rave reviews from Hansen n co!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 20:02:21 GMT
boba...Pearson was our only decent player during the first half, and prior to his substitution, had really come into the game during the 2nd half and looked a real threat.
Cresswell on the other hand, did what he always does. Runs around a lot, whilst offering very little.
It isn't a witch hunt, just a matter of highlighting that the first name on our team sheet doesn't merit such a lofty position.
He is crap, but for once, his total lack of any ability at all, actually helped us...thankfully.
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Post by Davef on Apr 13, 2008 20:02:48 GMT
Blaming Dickinson for the penalty is truly pathetic.
The bloke had a tap in. Anyone of three Stoke players could have put a last desperate foot in to try and save a surefire goal.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 20:05:30 GMT
On that Dicko incident as well, it is debatable if Dicko made any contact with their player whatsoever. From my seat, about 12-13 rows back, it looked like their player tripped himself up with a mis-kick.
That was certainly the opinion of Lawrence who gave the offending diver a real verbal volley that met with nice approval from Stokies within earshot!
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Post by bobafett on Apr 13, 2008 20:08:05 GMT
no chance was pearson coming into the game . He completely faded and TP got the decision right .
Cresswell played well saturday but people refuse to see it . seem's that when some fan's decide they don't rate a player that's it , they're never given any credit .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 20:08:58 GMT
It made me laugh on the Championship how Rennie come to that decision he was looking through a number bodies and still managed to magically see it was a clear trip...Numpty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 20:13:57 GMT
I would return Shawcross and Riggot as the central defensive pairing with Riggot as cover.
I would also pick Dickinson and Wilkinson as fullbacks -I would also make Pugh and Whelan aware they are competing for the same centre midfield spot with Pearson and Lawrence as wide men
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 20:16:13 GMT
Apart from missing a glorious chance to win us the game (which fortunately fell to someone with an ounce of ability), what did Cresswell actually contribute during the game yesterday?
There wasn't a single person praising the substitution around me, including the old bloke that told me off for criticisng both Pugh and Cresswell for being "fucking wank".
You obviously have a different view of "contributing" to me.
As for the "Pearson was fading" comment...that is just laughable really. Maybe Darth Vadar has set your bounty hunting sights on the wrong the man? ;D
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Post by slangking on Apr 13, 2008 20:16:37 GMT
I would return Shawcross and Riggot as the central defensive pairing with Riggot as cover. I would also pick Dickinson and Wilkinson as fullbacks -I would also make Pugh and Whelan aware they are competing for the same centre midfield spot with Pearson and Lawrence as wide men Give over will you, I hope to god we never see those useless feckers near the shirt again, they could end up costing us promotion. Both Pugh and Cresswell have proved themselves in teams that have got in to the play-offs at least, Dickinson and Wilkinson for crying out loud my cat is now pissing himself over your devotion to them. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 20:19:02 GMT
I am still waiting Slang!
Just one example mate...just the one!
As for your last comment, then you really are a wind up merchant or you know fuckall about anything remotely resembling football.
I also suspect that you are in a minority of 1 with your recent views on the two youngsters.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 13, 2008 20:19:25 GMT
Now we know your a wind up merchant or a Vale fan you dumb ass!
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Post by slangking on Apr 13, 2008 20:22:45 GMT
Pugh and Cresswell both proved themselves in the Preston side that regularly got to the play-offs, I don't know what pub teams Dickinson and Wilkinson have played for or what they did, perhaps you could enlighten me?
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Post by bobafett on Apr 13, 2008 20:27:24 GMT
Bloody hell just GET BEHIND ALL OF THEM !
Dickinson , wilkinson , Pugh , Cresswell it doesn't matter . when they wear that red and white shirt it's you duty to support them , now more than ever .
This pointless arguing is just that , pointless . None of our players deserve the abuse that some of them get .
Debate on what formations and players you think but do it the right way . We have had people wishing injury on our own players !!! we're top for christs sake and people want our own players to get injured . it really does beggar belief !
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 20:28:36 GMT
Cresswell may well have been a key member of that Preston team that did well for a few seasons, and he was also a part of the Leeds team that reached the play-offs, but that doesn't alter the fact that he is crap FOR US.
Efforts for previous clubs mean nothing to me. I judge players on their efforts in a Stoke Shirt and couldn't give a fuck about their time elsewhere.
As for Pugh, he hasn't been a regular anywhere. He wasn't a regular for Leeds (where his efforts resembled his time with us...not good enough at full-back, not good enough in midfield) before he was shipped to Preston for a fraction of what Leeds originally paid for him. At Preston, like at Leeds, he was soon found out, dropped and subsequently shipped out to us for a 250k profit.
Slang...Your defence of Pugh really is failing miserably!
BOBA- Raising legitimate concerns about regulars in our team, who are clearly not contributing a great deal at this crucial stage in the season is not showing a lack of support. It is showing care and concern.
I can't do with either Pugh or Cresswell, but no-one could ever question my support of the team. I hate Pulis as well, but I have NEVER missed a game because of any of them.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 13, 2008 20:30:14 GMT
I wouldn't have Pugh at left back, but i can see where they are coming from with regards to worrying about one or both getting sent off. I like the tough, no nonsense tackling in a defender, that was always my argument in the early return of Griffin over Hoefkens, but i do turn away and pray everytime Dicko goes in for a 50/50! 'Demolition man' pisser!!
With time they will both be good defenders, but knowing how the refs are at the moment they have to watch their approach.
Picking a side depends on who you are playing as well. Have Bristol got a threat on the wings? According to them Brooker is playing well so they reckon he will start. They also hope that Adebola will start with him and give us a taste of our own medicine (pisser)!
If you are playing a team that will sit back, or don't offer anything from wide areas then you would go for full backs that can push on more and support up front. If however they have lively wingers, like Palace, then you choose accordingly.
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Post by slangking on Apr 13, 2008 20:34:09 GMT
Pugh played 50 games for Preston, took them a looooong while to find him out didn't they? They didn't want him to leave either. You have failed to let us know which pub teams these two have played for? Other than being totally anonymous and contributing nothing whatsoever to the team I can't see what it is you like about them?
And that was the most laughable justification I've ever seen for your relentless hate campaign against Cresswell, maybe you just like players who are shite and always have been like your two mates?
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Apr 13, 2008 20:36:31 GMT
Blimey
Jarhead and Davejonny moaning at TP again
What a surprise!!!
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 13, 2008 20:40:20 GMT
It also depends on who the full backs have in front of them. Lawrence on the right and Pearson or Cresswell on the left track back and help out, so leave their full backs less exposed than an out and out winger might.
I'd still go with Wilko and Dicko now Griff is out - I am a bit old fashioned in liking my defenders to actually be able to defend. Likewise Shawcross for Cort.
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Post by slangking on Apr 13, 2008 20:42:34 GMT
The game has moved on, you need defenders who can play football these days, these two can't.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2008 20:46:42 GMT
As youngsters emerging from our Youth ranks, the only pub side the two of them have played for is Tony Pulis' Stoke City.
Make of that what you will!
As for Dicko's contribution to our team...Of our very few clean sheets since November, one thing has been consistent with all of them...Dicko has played at left back.
Talking of other contributions...What about his goal saving, bone crunching challenge yesterday where the whole away end winced. Dicko won the ball and broke the lad in half. Compare that to Pugh's foot dangling, half arsed effort minutes earlier that resulted in him getting injured.
How about his performance at Sheffield Wednesday where he performed admirably against an excellent winger who ultimately had to switch wings so as to get at the more experienced Griffin.
How about his performance v Newcastle United.
How about his performance v Ipswich at home, where following hot on the heels of arguably his worst performance in a Stoke shirt (Ipswich away), Dicko turned in a superb defensive performance in subduing his tormentor from the previous game.
Bazza...Pulis has done a super job to get us into this position, but over the last 8 games, he has undoubtedly changed his approach, and it started with the Watford game. Just like the defeat away at Colchester affected our manager adversely last season, the reverse at QPR had a similar affect and our team has suffered as a result.
Hopefully the second half on Saturday will be the turning point and we will start to take the game to the opposition again, by MIXING our style of play.
The Championship is ours to lose!
Slang...Having defenders that can play a bit is all well and good, but Pulis doesn't like defenders who can play, as we all know from his treatment of a certain Carl Hoefkens.
On top of that, it is clear to all but you, that Pugh can't actually play, and not only offers us no defensive qualities, he also contributes nothing offensively from a full-back position, which kind of wipes out your whole argument.
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Post by slangking on Apr 13, 2008 20:53:32 GMT
Well you've been wrong about everything else this season mush, I guess you don't want to spoil your record.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 13, 2008 21:00:25 GMT
Right, I'll get involved in this. Whilst not taking Slang's aggressive stance, I would also worry about both Wilko and Dicko filling both full back slots. Dicko particularly doesn't have the composure or 'touch' necessary to play at a higher level and I don't think he ever will so please no more of the 'he's only a kid' argument. However, with Griffin injured and Riggot needed at centre back to partner Shawcross (how good was he when he came on yesterday?) then needs must. I saw Cort attempt to make one tackle yesterday and when he did he missed the ball which was tapped through his legs. Yes, he heads the ball away on a frequent basis but he doesn't defend. He seemed to be hiding at times yesterday and I don't like what I see. And to think we paid over a million for him.
I also was stunned to see Pearson taken off just as he seemed to be getting some joy on the right. He's a skilful player and I hope to God he takes his place in a 4-4-2, and that Whelan returns soon as Pugh is too powderpuff in central midfield.
I trust that Ameobi recovers (sorry folks, I don't agree with playing a two goal striker no matter how hard he works at times) and shows some Premiership ability if we play it to him in the right way, but without the injection of Vim, Verve and Vigour from Lawrence yesterday we wouldn't have won the game. As for Cov, I was impressed by Ward and always like Tabb and Doyle......in fact I wouldn't mind seeing the latter at Stoke.
I have no idea how this is all going to end, but it would help if the manager actually knew what his best starting XI was. We all think we do, of course, but that's what this forum is for I guess.
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Post by Mickstoke on Apr 13, 2008 21:04:55 GMT
fo fucks sake everytime i log on their a new thread gone up about a different player being wank! we are top of the league! we are suppost to be suporting stoke. if you dont like them its your problem but for fuck sake stop being so negatve.
goooooaaaarrrnnnn stoke
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