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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 30, 2011 22:32:54 GMT
Selling players with the abilty to change a game, and with flair. Tuncay - A firm fans fave plenty of abilty and fancy flicks what get the fans going, and loves the fans. Fuller - Runs at defences with the ball at his feet and plenty of pace, and can change a game out of nothing. Was today an example of what is to come? 2 big strikers up front, and punt after punt up to them and going no where, Delap starting on the right ahead of Pennant, really must knock JP confidence, when he See's him there who offers nothing what so ever on the right side. We looked ok when we played it on the floor earlier in the season, but over the past few games its gone back to this again  If Tuncay is sold tomorrow, and no one comes in replace him with a similar ability, then i will be sticking up on whizz on a match day. |
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 8:03:29 GMT
There a lots of posters with exactly the same fears. Pulis does not seem at all interested in playing football and reverts to this garbage when nobody else can see a reason to.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 31, 2011 8:05:37 GMT
TP knows more than us, relax and trust his judgement.
If he does a really bad job, he will get the sack! Why would he willingly do a bad job??
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 31, 2011 8:07:08 GMT
No. But I may get bored to death by suicidal, wrist slashing Stokies! ;D
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Post by foster on Jan 31, 2011 8:09:32 GMT
Why don't the doomers and gloomers keep to a single thread instead of starting the same shit over and over again.
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 8:10:53 GMT
TP knows more than us, relax and trust his judgement. If he does a really bad job, he will get the sack! Why would he willingly do a bad job?? I am not saying he'd willingly do a bad job or has ever done a bad job. Just that what he considers to be his job does not involve entertainment, just results no matter how they are achieved. You have to understand that does not satisfy a great many Stoke fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 8:13:22 GMT
Why don't the doomers and gloomers keep to a single thread instead of starting the same shit over and over again. Attention seeking |
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 31, 2011 8:14:53 GMT
Maybe not, but as long as he achieves the targets set by his employer that is what he will do.
The 3 year plan was to stay in the Premier League by hook or by crook. That is what we have done, so it's been a job well done so far. If players like Tuncay are not in the clubs long term plans, then they may as well cash in. At the end of the day we don't know who's coming in this window OR in the summer.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 31, 2011 8:20:42 GMT
It is an emotive subject. As I now have a lad, I am fortunate enough to sit around some lifelong Stokies with their kids and some grand dads too, all handing down the love of Stoke
I must say that we do talk a lot more pre game and half time re why our football is simply not pretty to watch and scratch our heads why after 3 years we havent progressed a tad more in our style. In fact there is a general concern we may be reverting to type.
We will all keep going, but the murmurs are indeed growing. To win is one thing but it appears survival is put above anything else with TP. Just hope after three years this is coupled with a tad more nogga on the floor otherwise I suspect the murmurs will keep growing
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 8:33:12 GMT
It is an emotive subject. As I now have a lad, I am fortunate enough to sit around some lifelong Stokies with their kids and some grand dads too, all handing down the love of Stoke I must say that we do talk a lot more pre game and half time re why our football is simply not pretty to watch and scratch our heads why after 3 years we havent progressed a tad more in our style. In fact there is a general concern we may be reverting to type. We will all keep going, but the murmurs are indeed growing. To win is one thing but it appears survival is put above anything else with TP. Just hope after three years this is coupled with a tad more nogga on the floor otherwise I suspect the murmurs will keep growing Same around us, I go down with my dad and my son and despite the different generations we all have been really gutted to see us revert back to the crap we have played in recent weeks, it hurts even more because we were playing some decent stuff previously and results were as good if not better. I'd love to know what has happened in TP's mind to make him do this. Did we, the fans, offend him in some way and this is our punishment or what. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 31, 2011 8:37:41 GMT
Aye Alster - seems a lot of us are a little confused why we appear to be reverting to type. Almost like TP is putting two fingers up at the world
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 31, 2011 8:46:17 GMT
TP has never been relegated, he plays his brand of football to keep his dream alive. Wolves, baggies are 'yo-yo' teams. Maybe in the summer with a shed load of money some of his 'wet dream' players may come our way.
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Post by kerouac on Jan 31, 2011 8:48:14 GMT
ive been bored by our football for ages.my heart beats occasionally when we eventually string 3 passes together,but other than that its tedious stuff.ive supported stoke for 40 odd years and will never stop,but do find it frustrating when i watch the likes of southhamton and leeds passing and holding a ball far better than us.
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 8:49:56 GMT
TP has never been relegated, he plays his brand of football to keep his dream alive. Wolves, baggies are 'yo-yo' teams. Maybe in the summer with a shed load of money some of his 'wet dream' players may come our way. Don't think O'Neil's ever been relegated either but I don't think its the first thing he would write if he made a list of his achievements. |
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 8:51:42 GMT
ive been bored by our football for ages.my heart beats occasionally when we eventually string 3 passes together,but other than that its tedious stuff.ive supported stoke for 40 odd years and will never stop,but do find it frustrating when i watch the likes of southhamton and leeds passing and holding a ball far better than us. +1 |
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Jan 31, 2011 8:58:48 GMT
Never seen so many whiners in my life than on this board.
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 31, 2011 9:00:46 GMT
Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets and also maintains the proud record of never being relegated as a manager.[2] He is sometimes criticised for using an overly negative and direct style of play; however, Pulis has defended his approach
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 9:09:11 GMT
Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets and also maintains the proud record of never being relegated as a manager.[2] He is sometimes criticised for using an overly negative and direct style of play; however, Pulis has defended his approach Don't quite get the post is it an out take from a larger article. Why not include some of how he defended it. I'm sure there are plenty of managers who could say they've never been relegated but they'd mainly be ones with more positives to crow about. It actually says a lot about the blokes mindset that his proudest achievement is a double negative. NEVER RELEGATED. |
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Post by mickygynsshorts on Jan 31, 2011 9:15:28 GMT
Yep bored of tatics thats why don't bother now with many away games to see a team park the bus and not to lose or if losing set a damage limitation exercise.
Do worry if Ric and Tunny are sold today and current policy of playing Delap on the wing instead of Pennant were any play attacking play will come from other than the big boot up front and hope for a throw or set piece
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Post by stryker on Jan 31, 2011 9:16:04 GMT
I agree with Kerouac.
Our ball retention is crap. Our passing poor.
Our football boring.
But just occasionally we show we can play.
Can't wait for someone to give our wingers a decent pass so they can get a good cross in.
And what is the point of the long throw all it does these days is waste time.
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Post by kerouac on Jan 31, 2011 9:17:57 GMT
the posters who have a go at us "moaners" make me laugh,are these the same guys that, like myself,were euphoric at the thought of the likes of tunch,eider and fuller being stoke players on the same team at the same time, only for some reason or another,not quite fitting the bill.it seems like pennant is heading in the same direction to make way for the class that is rory,collins,whelan and whitehead!!
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Jan 31, 2011 9:22:46 GMT
We're not even an established PL team yet. Fucking hell! This is embarrassing.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 31, 2011 9:24:24 GMT
It brings back a memory of a TP interview given a couple of years back when he was asked directly about his "workmanlike" style of play.
Tone went on to explain that this style was liked and appreciated at Stoke because the area has an industrial heritage with working class people who liked to see players putting a shift.
I always considered that to be a patronising belief if thats what he really thinks.
When people in Stoke work 9-5 during the week in manufacturing jobs, surely the last thing they want to see on a Saturday afternoon after shelling out 20 quid is more hardworking tryers putting a shift in!
Surely we are entitled to want to see a bit of flair and craft on display to awaken us from our industrial age slumber?
Im starting to think that TP is deliberately getting rid of the crowd pleasing flair players just to make a point - but what exactly the point is Im not sure.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 31, 2011 9:25:23 GMT
Yep bored of tatics thats why don't bother now with many away games to see a team park the bus and not to lose or if losing set a damage limitation exercise. Do worry if Ric and Tunny are sold today and current policy of playing Delap on the wing instead of Pennant were any play attacking play will come from other than the big boot up front and hope for a throw or set piece Aye - dwindling away crowds Not just down to cost. Fulham away was the pits in style and tactics, as was Cardiff away and Wolves just gone wasnt too disimilar. Never seen so many Stokies leave before the end at Fulham- all moaners and wrist slashers, just like me and my crowd Fulham pissed all over us and we hoofed and hoofed and hoofed but we couldnt blow the house down |
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Jan 31, 2011 9:35:19 GMT
Yep bored of tatics thats why don't bother now with many away games to see a team park the bus and not to lose or if losing set a damage limitation exercise. Do worry if Ric and Tunny are sold today and current policy of playing Delap on the wing instead of Pennant were any play attacking play will come from other than the big boot up front and hope for a throw or set piece Aye - dwindling away crowds Not just down to cost. Fulham away was the pits in style and tactics, as was Cardiff away and Wolves just gone wasnt too disimilar. Never seen so many Stokies leave before the end at Fulham- all moaners and wrist slashers, just like me and my crowd Fulham pissed all over us and we hoofed and hoofed and hoofed but we couldnt blow the house down Our football is nowhere near as boring as having to wade through the whiney posts like yours. 10th in the PL, through to 5th round of the FA Cup for the second year running. If you don't like what's on offer then don't go. If enough of you stop going then Coates will have to get rid of TP and then you can start going again can't you? Put your money (or take away your money) where your mouth is. |
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Post by kerouac on Jan 31, 2011 9:37:46 GMT
beepbeep,what kind of an argument is that and why do you have to grasp onto this idea of tp`s that only hoof ball is gonna keep us up?we are far more effective when we play the ball on the floor and mix it up a bit ,but for some bizarre reason,and i suspect its fear,he insists on this dire shit we re witnessing now.
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Post by lew86 on Jan 31, 2011 9:38:20 GMT
Have we sold anyone yet?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 31, 2011 9:42:10 GMT
Aye - dwindling away crowds Not just down to cost. Fulham away was the pits in style and tactics, as was Cardiff away and Wolves just gone wasnt too disimilar. Never seen so many Stokies leave before the end at Fulham- all moaners and wrist slashers, just like me and my crowd Fulham pissed all over us and we hoofed and hoofed and hoofed but we couldnt blow the house down Our football is nowhere near as boring as having to wade through the whiney posts like yours. 10th in the PL, through to 5th round of the FA Cup for the second year running. If you don't like what's on offer then don't go. If enough of you stop going then Coates will have to get rid of TP and then you can start going again can't you? Put your money (or take away your money) where your mouth is. Dear me what a narrow minded post. We are discussing our tactics on a messageboard. I think you will find the majority having a debate tip up week after week, cheer the team on and part with their hard earned money. It would be unthinkable for me not to go home and away and unhinkable for me to boo any of our team. Why do you find a debate on are we progressing or regressing in style of nogga, linked to potentially selling what some consider our flair players so upsetting on a messageboard? |
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Jan 31, 2011 10:32:36 GMT
Our football is nowhere near as boring as having to wade through the whiney posts like yours. 10th in the PL, through to 5th round of the FA Cup for the second year running. If you don't like what's on offer then don't go. If enough of you stop going then Coates will have to get rid of TP and then you can start going again can't you? Put your money (or take away your money) where your mouth is. Dear me what a narrow minded post. We are discussing our tactics on a messageboard. I think you will find the majority having a debate tip up week after week, cheer the team on and part with their hard earned money. It would be unthinkable for me not to go home and away and unhinkable for me to boo any of our team. Why do you find a debate on are we progressing or regressing in style of nogga, linked to potentially selling what some consider our flair players so upsetting on a messageboard? Me narrow minded? I'm not the one who just whines on and on about how awful the football, how shit the players are, how crap the manager is. I'm just a normal footy fan - love it when we win, and if we lose it ruins my week. BUT at least I'm able to rationalise that although we were dire at Fulham then we were excellent the week before against Bolton. That is how football works, that's what makes it exciting. Football teams turn in differing performances throughout a season - look at Tottenham yesterday. Someone even wrote that they start moaning about the football before the game has even kicked off. We have been good this season in a very difficult league (all twenty teams are competitive with no weak links). We have already won three away matches and we are the only side not to have conceded more that two goals. We have seen the strength of our squad in winning two very tricky away FA Cup ties (Wolves have beaten Chelsea and Man City at home this season). So why no balanced debate? Intelligent debate consists of the participants weighing up ALL the issues and considering the matter from all angles. On this board all we seem to get are numerous threads saying TP is shit, the players are shit, anyone we are rumoured to be interested in signing is shit (while anyone we don't sign is brilliant). People are becoming perverse in their desire to knock the manager/players. Apparently Carew (who has played one full game - one that we won) is shit according to some posters today. What sort of even-handed viewpoint is that? It's the sort of reaction you would get from a three -year-old having a tantrum. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 31, 2011 10:40:54 GMT
Wanton - I agree that a reasoned balanced debate is spoilt by extreme views. My frustration was misguided to be aimed at you - so I apologise for that. It however stands in the main for this board as it appears we cant get past the TP is the best thing since sliced bread or TP is shit chappies (replace TP for many a player re similar discussion)
Personally I do think our nogga has gone down hill a tad since Bolton and TP has shrunk into his shell. For me this what I perceive to be regression is playing style is magnified by the supposed incomings and outgoings on deadline day. We wil have to wait and see
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